wlad and his training
Posted: 05 Jul 2011, 14:46
is it true wlad doesnt do any running??
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Re: wlad and his training
Posted: 05 Jul 2011, 15:00
I saw that he does no running, too. I guess with his size, it's maybe best. Imagine a light welter not doing any running in an elite bout.
Re: wlad and his training
Posted: 05 Jul 2011, 15:11
Doesn't do any running, swims instead
Re: wlad and his training
Posted: 05 Jul 2011, 17:26
Running just wears the joints out. You can build stamina other ways.
Re: wlad and his training
Posted: 05 Jul 2011, 18:24
Yeah it was on the Behind the Ropes thing on Sky. He does resistance work in the pool instead of road work.
Re: wlad and his training
Posted: 05 Jul 2011, 19:47
Some fighters don't do road work they just do sprints I remember on a FightCamp 360 seeing Carl Froch doing sprints.batch wrote:Yeah it was on the Behind the Ropes thing on Sky. He does resistance work in the pool instead of road work.
Re: wlad and his training
Posted: 06 Jul 2011, 04:55
STEVE COLLINS never run he done circuits in the gymIRLangmaid25 wrote:Some fighters don't do road work they just do sprints I remember on a FightCamp 360 seeing Carl Froch doing sprints.batch wrote:Yeah it was on the Behind the Ropes thing on Sky. He does resistance work in the pool instead of road work.
Re: wlad and his training
Posted: 06 Jul 2011, 06:11
horses for courses really.
Re: wlad and his training
Posted: 06 Jul 2011, 06:14
Yep if you've got a massive frame like that then I can see the jarring effects of running really taking their toll over time. Can happen to anyone but in particular I would think worse with a big guy at age 35.
Re: wlad and his training
Posted: 06 Jul 2011, 06:31
From what I've read about sports training, running isn't really that neccessary for boxers. And it risks serious injury to knees, back, hips etc. There are lots of other ways to build stamina.
I think part of the things with long runs, is they are punishing, and it's a way of building mental strength. All the getting up at 5.am to slog along for 5 miles every day. It will also build core cardiovascular fitness, but boxers need explosve short term stamina. Shuttle runs and interval training for that reason is supposed to be more suited to boxers.
This is what people from sports science backgrounds have told me in any case.
Swimming is also going to build up a powerful upper body at the same time, which can only be a bonus.
I think part of the things with long runs, is they are punishing, and it's a way of building mental strength. All the getting up at 5.am to slog along for 5 miles every day. It will also build core cardiovascular fitness, but boxers need explosve short term stamina. Shuttle runs and interval training for that reason is supposed to be more suited to boxers.
This is what people from sports science backgrounds have told me in any case.
Swimming is also going to build up a powerful upper body at the same time, which can only be a bonus.
Re: wlad and his training
Posted: 06 Jul 2011, 08:12
was it marvellous marvin hagler that said... 'its hard to get up at 5am when you are wearing silk pyjamas'
Re: wlad and his training
Posted: 06 Jul 2011, 08:20
Off road biking(either with or without an engine) is underrated as a fitness and stamina building exercise, good for mental sharpness too, though I don't think it would suit Wlad the big oaf. 8)
Re: wlad and his training
Posted: 06 Jul 2011, 08:21
It was, he's right too......they are well slippery, I ended up sliding out of the bed onto the floor!rhino222 wrote:was it marvellous marvin hagler that said... 'its hard to get up at 5am when you are wearing silk pyjamas'
Re: wlad and his training
Posted: 06 Jul 2011, 08:24
Yes, & while we're all different, I cannot Envisage Hagler even Contemplating not doing any Running! Hagler was one of the most well-conditioned fighters in history.rhino222 wrote:was it marvellous marvin hagler that said... 'its hard to get up at 5am when you are wearing silk pyjamas'
If it works for Wlad then he'll obviously stick with it.
Re: wlad and his training
Posted: 06 Jul 2011, 08:53
i hate running what would people say is the best thing to replace it with in ther opinion
Re: wlad and his training
Posted: 06 Jul 2011, 08:59
Do any Pro's here use swimming? If so can you give us a quick insight into your workout.
Re: wlad and his training
Posted: 06 Jul 2011, 09:21
I've helped boxers out in the past with training and used swimming. It'd be front crawl all the way for me. Use hypoxic breathing. ie breathe every 4/5/6/7 strokes.rob h wrote:Do any Pro's here use swimming? If so can you give us a quick insight into your workout.
Or if someone can do 100m in say 1.30 then do ten 100's off 2 minutes. Meaning if you come in at 1.30 then you get 30 seconds rest between the sets.
Maybe even combine hypoxic breathing with the 100's. Do 100 metres breathing every 5 strokes for example.
Re: wlad and his training
Posted: 06 Jul 2011, 09:25
http://www.parkrun.com/homekells wrote:i hate running what would people say is the best thing to replace it with in ther opinion
Any near you? If you hate running would a race every saturday get you motivated? It's free and it's 1st class training.
Re: wlad and his training
Posted: 06 Jul 2011, 09:35
I've done the odd parkrun they are decent, but as a 'shin splints' sufferer they are always run on hard ground which is the worst thing for me!housesecond wrote:http://www.parkrun.com/homekells wrote:i hate running what would people say is the best thing to replace it with in ther opinion
Any near you? If you hate running would a race every saturday get you motivated? It's free and it's 1st class training.
Re: wlad and his training
Posted: 06 Jul 2011, 09:40
Just to clarify, lactate threshold, is the ability of the athelete to tolerate a buildup of lactic acid in the muscles due to oxygen debt, - on other words, pain tolerance.MachoMan09 wrote:Wladimir uses swimming to build and maintain his underlying endurance. He has been developing this endurance since boyhood and has done plenty of running in the past too. Maintaining endurance is a lot easier than gaining it in the first place. Building endurance whether it be using running, cycling, swimming, rowing or whatever is all about high volume and it's a long process - years to really cut it and, unless you start as a kid and have the right genetics, you will struggle to become elite. In the case of swimming you need to be doing length after length of steady state work.
You can use it for Lactate threshold training too. A good example would be three sets of ten minutes swimming covering as great a distance as possible in each set with a 6-8 minute break between sets. You really need to be pushing yourself hard in these sessions. Increasing your lactate threshold is a much quicker process than building aerobic endurance.
Whereas aerobic endurance is the ability to metabolise oxygen and ditribute it to the muscles quickly, i.e efficient cardiovascular and pulmonary systems?
Is that about the size of it?
Re: wlad and his training
Posted: 06 Jul 2011, 09:47
mate i *think* a higher lactate threshold simply means lactic acid enters the muscles relatively later. I don't think it's pain tolerance as such, IE can you run for longer than i can with a broken little toe, much as preventing lactic acid from interfering with the muscle's proper working (muscles are less efficient when in a lactic state)jamesmcdonnell wrote:
Just to clarify, lactate threshold, is the ability of the athelete to tolerate a buildup of lactic acid in the muscles due to oxygen debt, - on other words, pain tolerance.
anyways if i'm wrong i'll soon be corrected
Re: wlad and his training
Posted: 06 Jul 2011, 09:57
Yes, that would make sense......Counter-puncher wrote:mate i *think* a higher lactate threshold simply means lactic acid enters the muscles relatively later. I don't think it's pain tolerance as such, IE can you run for longer than i can with a broken little toe, much as preventing lactic acid from interfering with the muscle's proper working (muscles are less efficient when in a lactic state)jamesmcdonnell wrote:
Just to clarify, lactate threshold, is the ability of the athelete to tolerate a buildup of lactic acid in the muscles due to oxygen debt, - on other words, pain tolerance.
anyways if i'm wrong i'll soon be corrected
Re: wlad and his training
Posted: 06 Jul 2011, 11:47
I've always been surprised more boxers don't use alternatives to running for cardio as running (esp on concrete) has been proven to stress the knees/back etc. I suppose running is easier to do i.e. if the nearest pool is a long way away it would just be a hassle.
Re: wlad and his training
Posted: 06 Jul 2011, 11:49
That's the simple way!?MachoMan09 wrote:A simple way of looking at it is this:
--------------------------VO2 Max* Line ----------------------------
-----------------Lactate Threshold Line (90% of VO2 Max e.g marathon runner)------------
-----------------Lactate Threshold Line (70% of VO2 Max)------------
-----------------Lactate Threshold Line (50% of VO2 Max)------------
-----------------Lactate Threshold Line (30% of VO2 Max e.g sprinter)------------
(keeping the more complex science out of it) your lactate threshold is when you switch from aerobic work to anaerobic work, truly anaerobic work is not sustainable for longer than ~2mins. So if you hit your lactate threshold and need to do something for a longer duration than two minutes, you'll have to back off. Therefore, the greater a percentage of your VO2 Max you can get your lactate threshold line to be the better (sport dependent).
A marathon runner will be at around 85-90% so they can run almost flat out for huge distances without having to back off.
A sprinter will be at a much, much lower percentage, hence he can run close to flat out for a very limited period of time.
*the maximum capacity of an individual's body to transport and utilize oxygen during incremental exercise. The upper limit of this is genetically limited and in trained athletes usually peaks at around 24-25-years-old
Re: wlad and his training
Posted: 06 Jul 2011, 11:49
MachoMan09 wrote:A simple way of looking at it is this:
--------------------------VO2 Max* Line ----------------------------
-----------------Lactate Threshold Line (90% of VO2 Max e.g marathon runner)------------
-----------------Lactate Threshold Line (70% of VO2 Max)------------
-----------------Lactate Threshold Line (50% of VO2 Max)------------
-----------------Lactate Threshold Line (30% of VO2 Max e.g sprinter)------------
(keeping the more complex science out of it) your lactate threshold is when you switch from aerobic work to anaerobic work, truly anaerobic work is not sustainable for longer than ~2mins. So if you hit your lactate threshold and need to do something for a longer duration than two minutes, you'll have to back off. Therefore, the greater a percentage of your VO2 Max you can get your lactate threshold line to be the better (sport dependent).
A marathon runner will be at around 85-90% so they can run almost flat out for huge distances without having to back off.
A sprinter will be at a much, much lower percentage, hence he can run close to flat out for a very limited period of time.
*the maximum capacity of an individual's body to transport and utilize oxygen during incremental exercise. The upper limit of this is genetically limited and in trained athletes usually peaks at around 24-25-years-old
