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The may have been asked already but does anyone think Haye could ever beat Wlad? Unless Haye catches him flush he has a punchers chance but I can't see Wlad letting that happen.

So if they have a rematch what should Haye's tactics be?

i spose he could shoot him but thats his only chance

Break his little toe

Poke him in the eye with his toe then hit him.


WLAD IS SUPERIOR TO HAYE.

The OP is asking a serious question, can there not be serious answers? This is Boxrec, not the NOTW ffs !!

carlbcfc wrote:The OP is asking a serious question, can there not be serious answers? This is Boxrec, not the NOTW ffs !!

You are correct Carl;

I don't think that David can beat either of the brothers; they are both excellent at their game and have had 20+ years of acclimatising to their physical advantages, all the while competing against top boxers.

David and the other top contenders will not be able to defeat either brother for at least 5 years; the heavyweight division is a Klitschko lockdown.

carlbcfc wrote:The OP is asking a serious question, can there not be serious answers? This is Boxrec, not the NOTW ffs !!

Very true. I can not see Haye beating either of them. Not even in a toe to toe battle.

THE MESSIAH wrote:

carlbcfc wrote:The OP is asking a serious question, can there not be serious answers? This is Boxrec, not the NOTW ffs !!

Very true. I can not see Haye beating either of them. Not even in a toe to toe battle.

Very good

Not even if both agree to 'toe the line'?

(I know, I know )

A realistic answer is i think there are 2 ways.
One is similar to Haye's style. Get in and out, pot shot. Slip the jab and counter. He tried it but he was too static.
The other one is pressuring him non stop which goes against Haye's natural style. But the Blue print was there in the 12th round

Don't take a backwards step and throw lot's of punches. Basically the opposite of what he actually did.

I thought the fight would be won for Haye the moment he landed cleanly, so I obviously underestimated Wlad's punch resistance and fighting spirit. Haye can't win by darting in with the odd potshot and he doesn't have the tools to apply sustained pressure, so no, I don't think he can win really.

If Haye had the beating of Wlad - he would have beaten him when they fought.

Sadly for Haye..
Wlad was atleast a level or two superior.

Silly thread

Controversial wrote:The may have been asked already but does anyone think Haye could ever beat Wlad? Unless Haye catches him flush he has a punchers chance but I can't see Wlad letting that happen.

So if they have a rematch what should Haye's tactics be?

He can't be Wladimir unless Wladimir suddenly gets old.

Haye is faster & slicker, but not so much that it is a problem.

Wladimir is faster than Haye thought & he is much much stronger & bigger.

I said years ago when I heard Haye was intending to move up in weight, that he would never make it. He simply wasn't robust enough to stand and trade with people at heavyweight. He's a pretty slight built man compared to big genuine heavyweights, and was making 190 regularly a few years ago.

If he'd had a chin like an anvil, then his power might have been able to succeed, as he could have stood in range and delivered bombs, but even at cruiserweight he never had the best of chins. Holyfield by contrast,was an absolute beast at cruiserweight, and was equally robust at heavyweight considering how much weight he often gave away.

Haye also didn't have the technical skills of Wlad. He was always a kind of mobile smash and grabber not cute technical specialist who set his opponents up with clever combination punching.

Haye was overrated, and Wlad underrated all along.

After watching the fight, the only way Haye wins is to take risks, run the risk of getting caught, as Wlad is too skilled at keeping his range & too clever to over-commit.

More of what he was doing in round 3 & 12, standing his ground a little more, holding his feet, trying to slip inside the jab and nail him. As McGuigan pointed out, punching at the same time, in closer range would be his only chance.

Downside is, of course, he is putting himself at risk of getting hit hard.

Haye would need to buy a new pair of lungs on the black market and then completely reinvent himself as a combination puncher in order to stand any real chance.

IF HAYE BOUGHT A GRANITE CHIN.
IF HAYE WAS MORE TECHNICAL.
IF HAYE WAS NOT HAYE.


He will not beat Wlad.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:I said years ago when I heard Haye was intending to move up in weight, that he would never make it. He simply wasn't robust enough to stand and trade with people at heavyweight. He's a pretty slight built man compared to big genuine heavyweights, and was making 190 regularly a few years ago.

If he'd had a chin like an anvil, then his power might have been able to succeed, as he could have stood in range and delivered bombs, but even at cruiserweight he never had the best of chins. Holyfield by contrast,was an absolute beast at cruiserweight, and was equally robust at heavyweight considering how much weight he often gave away.

Haye also didn't have the technical skills of Wlad. He was always a kind of mobile smash and grabber not cute technical specialist who set his opponents up with clever combination punching.

Haye was overrated, and Wlad underrated all along.

Well said James. I am a big David Haye fan, but the signs have always been there.

Haye has can throw some nice looking fast punches at times, but he's not a complete fighter and not as technical as people were making out.

I'm sure Haye could knock Wlad down should he land but as proven in their fight, he couldn't land.

A baseball bat?

mrbassie wrote:Don't take a backwards step and throw lot's of punches. Basically the opposite of what he actually did.

This

boxingchat wrote:A baseball bat?

I think klit still wins.
Haye would swing it cop an unfortunate one, then blame his thumb saying he couldnt push off

Controversial wrote:The may have been asked already but does anyone think Haye could ever beat Wlad? Unless Haye catches him flush he has a punchers chance but I can't see Wlad letting that happen.

So if they have a rematch what should Haye's tactics be?

of course he could he lost by 3-4 rounds if we're being objective and i know some on this forum have a real problem with that when it comes to Haye. I despise the man and all he stands for but i cant deny after 8 rounds the fight was well poised for haye to do something..he lost it down the stretch except the 12th when he suddenly came to life.

haye didnt get busted up he wasnt meek like some of wlads american foes when they are being hit with that jab. hayes problem is he is lazy and his big time charlie persona carries over into his in ring performance. hes the kind of bloke who is always trying to put the icing on the cake before the cake is made....he needs to up his work rate in a return. add a body attack to the end of his sudden lunges which had some success the first time round.

I think if haye shifts his attitude starts getting active and ups his work rate he could beat wlad.

... excluding a lucky punch, I believe whatever Haye undertakes, he'll be outsmarted and outboxed sometimes maybe with minimum advantage but still enough to leave no doubt for the most fans...

No, even on Haye's fight night game, he'd spend the whole time backing away, then blame his toe.

Livingstone Cole wrote:Klitscho hasn't ever been stopped on a single punch, his losses have come from extensive flurries of heavy shots when he's gone all Frank Bruno about his defence, it was more about his mental fragility and not knowing what to do when he got hurt that let him down. He's matured a lot as a fighter since then, the Sam Peter fight showed Wlad take a knee 3 times to let his head clear after being caught. He's much more sensible.
I'm not saying that he's totally impervious to a single knockout punch, after all, who is? But Haye's one shot power at Heavyweight isn't all that and he showed in the fight with Wlad that he wasn't willing to commit himself to throwing combinations.
If he did beat him, it'd be a fluke. Wlad is too big, too good and too clever to ever logically come off second best.

100% spot on.

Haye grossly underestimated Wladimir & over estimated his own power & ability.

The paradox is that, for all Wladimir's perceived caution in fights, he usually throws more punches than David Haye does in his fights.

Haye does not throw enough punches IMHO & he is not the one punch KO artist at HW that he thinks he is.