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Anyone have any experience? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztvW7YeT4Pw

interesting. never heard of it. reminds me of macebell training

It looks real usefull , think ill get me one and try out.
I have always found this type of strenght training more beneficial for boxing than say lifting weights.

Panzerfaust wrote:It looks real usefull , think ill get me one and try out.
I have always found this type of strenght training more beneficial for boxing than say lifting weights.

i agree 100%. i've just given up lifting weights last year and have doing bodyweight/gymnast exercises from the Building the Gymnastics Body book, seems to be more functional. i might try that bulgarian bag out too, seems to be pretty beneficial.

I recently got my bulgarian bag and can really reccomend it

that video did not sell me at all...

I got one last year after using a 20Kg Jordan Powerbag - as well as weights - which I really rated.

The Bulgarian Bag is more versatile and harder to use on some things (went for a 17Kg/ grey version) and in the end I sold the Powerbag.

Really rate it for squats, rows, swings, rotations (the handles are really good to alter things around) and even presses - using the long straps drags it up and down the back and adds friction and resistance and makes it a great, very painful finisher. Way harder than a bar at three times the weight.

A great tool but v. pricey.

Marlin wrote:that video did not sell me at all...

Maybe for sport - specific training... maybe. But as for fitness workout that's close to be yet another gimmick.
And has anybody ever heard of any decent German wrestler anyway?

Haven't seen the first video posted but think it a bit cynical and unfair to describe the tool as a gimmick as a fitness builder, if that's what you mean.

It's designed to help develop fitness and endurance as well as, specifically, grip and core/rotational ability and if you'd tried one you'd realise it can do just that. The only way it's a gimmick is in the same sense that just about all workouts and tools are, in that they aren't the only way and there's other methods with and without equipment that can duplicate just about anything. Kettlebells are all the rage but weights can duplicate virtually everything a 'bell can if used in the right way. Sledgehammer drills and tyre beating likewise, really pushed now but wood chops, medicine/tornado ball work etc. can do a similar job.

Quality of German wrestlers notwithstanding, maybe look at this clip which is of the US Olympic Education Center Greco-Roman wrestling team - no dummies at that level but it looks like it could tax and help them...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggmpisjjtTU

I use mine for lactic tolerance work, for core work and as a finisher and glad I made the investment, fwiw.

DMMA wrote:Haven't seen the first video posted but think it a bit cynical and unfair to describe the tool as a gimmick as a fitness builder, if that's what you mean.

It's designed to help develop fitness and endurance as well as, specifically, grip and core/rotational ability and if you'd tried one you'd realise it can do just that. The only way it's a gimmick is in the same sense that just about all workouts and tools are, in that they aren't the only way and there's other methods with and without equipment that can duplicate just about anything. Kettlebells are all the rage but weights can duplicate virtually everything a 'bell can if used in the right way. Sledgehammer drills and tyre beating likewise, really pushed now but wood chops, medicine/tornado ball work etc. can do a similar job.

Sorry if I was too cynical for your liking but have been around fitness industry for too long to just swallow any 'new/revolutionary/fantastic' piece of kit that is out every season. There is money to be made and this is how all those 'discoveries' are being born.
The only ones that you might call fairly useful are the ones that are just old skool tools in disguise. There are very few really new and inventive ones but neither b.b. nor kettlebell are one of them. Myself, I am a strong advocate of traditional weight training tools (barbells and dumbells with different grips, well made RT machines, chin & dip bars, medicine balls, some strongman equipment) and effective, up-to-date, scientifically proven training methods.
As for kettlebells, which already earned themselves position they don't really deserve, I think this might be a better option:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFpP944V ... r_embedded

TempleSlave wrote:

DMMA wrote:Haven't seen the first video posted but think it a bit cynical and unfair to describe the tool as a gimmick as a fitness builder, if that's what you mean.

It's designed to help develop fitness and endurance as well as, specifically, grip and core/rotational ability and if you'd tried one you'd realise it can do just that. The only way it's a gimmick is in the same sense that just about all workouts and tools are, in that they aren't the only way and there's other methods with and without equipment that can duplicate just about anything. Kettlebells are all the rage but weights can duplicate virtually everything a 'bell can if used in the right way. Sledgehammer drills and tyre beating likewise, really pushed now but wood chops, medicine/tornado ball work etc. can do a similar job.

Sorry if I was too cynical for your liking but have been around fitness industry for too long to just swallow any 'new/revolutionary/fantastic' piece of kit that is out every season. There is money to be made and this is how all those 'discoveries' are being born.
The only ones that you might call fairly useful are the ones that are just old skool tools in disguise. There are very few really new and inventive ones but neither b.b. nor kettlebell are one of them. Myself, I am a strong advocate of traditional weight training tools (barbells and dumbells with different grips, well made RT machines, chin & dip bars, medicine balls, some strongman equipment) and effective, up-to-date, scientifically proven training methods.
As for kettlebells, which already earned themselves position they don't really deserve, I think this might be a better option:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFpP944V ... r_embedded

You might have been around the industry too long - long enough to get cynical and jaundiced - but have you ever tried them? Beter still a training cycle using them long enough to feel any benefit?

I'd go for weights - and not a 'bodybuilding' pattern - overall, esp. for raw strength, and got to a reasonably high degree of strength inc. 120Kg shoulder press, but still find benefit in a bag weighing only 17Kg. I use weights, dips push ups and medicine balls + cables, and can find ways to get a good effect with all of them/the mix, bag too.

Your uninformed comments could put others off trying something that they might rate and benefit from just because you decry something as a faddy waste of money. Unfair.

DMMA wrote:

TempleSlave wrote:

DMMA wrote:Haven't seen the first video posted but think it a bit cynical and unfair to describe the tool as a gimmick as a fitness builder, if that's what you mean.

It's designed to help develop fitness and endurance as well as, specifically, grip and core/rotational ability and if you'd tried one you'd realise it can do just that. The only way it's a gimmick is in the same sense that just about all workouts and tools are, in that they aren't the only way and there's other methods with and without equipment that can duplicate just about anything. Kettlebells are all the rage but weights can duplicate virtually everything a 'bell can if used in the right way. Sledgehammer drills and tyre beating likewise, really pushed now but wood chops, medicine/tornado ball work etc. can do a similar job.

Sorry if I was too cynical for your liking but have been around fitness industry for too long to just swallow any 'new/revolutionary/fantastic' piece of kit that is out every season. There is money to be made and this is how all those 'discoveries' are being born.
The only ones that you might call fairly useful are the ones that are just old skool tools in disguise. There are very few really new and inventive ones but neither b.b. nor kettlebell are one of them. Myself, I am a strong advocate of traditional weight training tools (barbells and dumbells with different grips, well made RT machines, chin & dip bars, medicine balls, some strongman equipment) and effective, up-to-date, scientifically proven training methods.
As for kettlebells, which already earned themselves position they don't really deserve, I think this might be a better option:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFpP944V ... r_embedded

You might have been around the industry too long - long enough to get cynical and jaundiced - but have you ever tried them? Beter still a training cycle using them long enough to feel any benefit?

I'd go for weights - and not a 'bodybuilding' pattern - overall, esp. for raw strength, and got to a reasonably high degree of strength inc. 120Kg shoulder press, but still find benefit in a bag weighing only 17Kg. I use weights, dips push ups and medicine balls + cables, and can find ways to get a good effect with all of them/the mix, bag too.

Your uninformed comments could put others off trying something that they might rate and benefit from just because you decry something as a faddy waste of money. Unfair.

No disrespect mate but once someone starts boasting online about their records in the gym, I just can't take them seriously anymore...