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Where next for last nights fighters?

Posted: 17 Jul 2011, 04:31
by earsjohn
Some pictures were cleared up, some waters were muddied further; be interesting to see where the big names from last night go from here.

Kevin Mitchell - he talked about a world title shot, and that's a reasonable shout given he'd have been in line for one had he beaten Katsidis. As a Warren fighter, the WBO looks the likeliest route. Current holder, Juan Manuel Marquez will probably cede the title to step up to welter, leaving a vacancy to be fought between Kev and....

Ricky Burns - Warren likes to keep his world titles in house, so a step up to 135 for the current 130lb champ seems reasonably likely. Not much that can be said about Burns on tonights performance. If Kev does have an ear injury, Burns may need to take a warm up at Lightweight to keep busy. A rematch with Alex Arthur?

John Murray
- No shame in defeat to a classy performance from Mitchell. Murray certainly has the tools to win at Euro level and will cause problems for certain types of fighter at world level. Someone mentioned elsewhere on this forum an 8-rounder comeback followed by a crack at Gavin Rees. Very good idea.

Tony Bellew - A safety first performance but not one that'll have the accountants at Sky clamouring for the big domestic showdown with Cleverly. Unlike the majority on here, I don't see the great appeal in that fight at this stage. Cleverly should be looking up, to global names at the top of the division and not down to a domestic level fight with Bellew, who seems to have earned a chance at a world title fight simply by calling Clev a "fcuking rat" in the build up to a fight that was never going to happen. Another question remains over Tony's ability to remain at Light Heavy. If he is able to make weight, he should go after one of Clevs previous opponents - McIntosh, Kuziemski or Murat would all present decent challenges and steps up from McKenzie. Alternatively, a shot at Gutnecht for the Euro title would be tough with a victory catapulting him up the rankings.

Frankie Gavin - A bad night for Funtime, but maybe the close call is the kick in the rear that it appears he needs. The last couple of fights have been poor and the credit he earned as an outstanding amateur has now faded and he is in danger of fizzling out. If he is having problems with commitment to diet and training, maybe a regime change is required. I don't agree with calls to send him to the States, but he probably does need to get away from any distractions that he has. He is still young, but he doesn't want to get to 30 and regret not making sacrifces now that would have paid off throughout his career. It is tough, but thats what makes champions. If it was easy, we'd all be doing it. Get down to Light Welter and start shining again. Theophane or McCloskey are credible opponents, but both have the potential to make Frankie look bad, and after Mutley and Woodhouse, that's probably the last thing he needs. Would love to be a fly on the wall when Warren catches up with him for the first time after the fight - I can see Warren being none to happy with the recent progress of his investment.

Re: Where next for last nights fighters?

Posted: 17 Jul 2011, 04:37
by alexpaterson
Mitchell- Rios would be the obvious choice because of the Title, this is actually a winnable (but he'd need to be 110% and couldn't put a foot wrong) fight for Mitchell. Rios is just a better John Murray but his defence is still poor and like Murray Is incredibly one dimensional but effective with it! Really tough fight for Mitchell but he could pull it off IMO

Burns- Needs to get a unification or Fana for the Ring. I would favour the Fana fight because IMO Uchiyama would be more difficult and plus the added bonus of the Ring magazine title.

Murray- he's in a tough situation now, domestically he's cleared up but fallen short of World level, so not sure where he'll go. Maybe Rees for the Europe

Bellew- IMO not ready (and not sure if he'll ever be) to beat Clev. Maybe a defence against MacIntosh or get a Euro shot at Gutknecht.

Gavin- rematch with Woodhouse

Re: Where next for last nights fighters?

Posted: 17 Jul 2011, 04:42
by earsjohn
alexpaterson wrote:Mitchell- Rios would be the obvious choice because of the Title, this is actually a winnable (but he'd need to be 110% and couldn't put a foot wrong) fight for Mitchell. Rios is just a better John Murray but his defence is still poor and like Murray Is incredibly one dimensional but effective with it! Really tough fight for Mitchell but he could pull it off IMO

Burns- Needs to get a unification or Fana for the Ring. I would favour the Fana fight because IMO Uchiyama would be more difficult and plus the added bonus of the Ring magazine title.

Murray- he's in a tough situation now, domestically he's cleared up but fallen short of World level, so not sure where he'll go. Maybe Rees for the Europe

Bellew- IMO not ready (and not sure if he'll ever be) to beat Clev. Maybe a defence against MacIntosh or get a Euro shot at Gutknecht.

Gavin- rematch with Woodhouse

I think Rios is a bit of a monster and not sure i'd want to see Kev in with him next up. Plus I think he's looking at a fight with Mick Katsidis.

Fana has been stripped for inactivity or not fighting his mandatory so that ones dead in the water.

Re: Where next for last nights fighters?

Posted: 17 Jul 2011, 04:52
by alexpaterson
I thought Fana was still ranked nĂºmero 1 by Ring so if they fought I'd be for the Ring Magazine Title

Re: Where next for last nights fighters?

Posted: 17 Jul 2011, 04:53
by Emmseegee
Mitchell could redeem himself against Katsidis??

Re: Where next for last nights fighters?

Posted: 17 Jul 2011, 05:17
by DougieC30
MITCHELL - A rematch with Katsidis in a World Title elimanator. Would Mitchell get the victory this time round? Would love to see it happen again.

MURRAY - A fight with Gav Rees or Derry Matthews would be a good scrap. Most likely Rees for the European.

BELLEW - Tony does what he needs to do to get his fights won. There's many people who may be dissapointed with his last 3 performances, but listen the guy is 16-0 (10) and the British and Comenwealth Champ, he's doing something right. A couple more defences against Travis Dickenson or Danny MacIntosh

GAVIN. - such a gifted boxer who really does have some of the best skills av seen in a while. I don't know why he can't make Lightwelter, does he train hard enuff, does he not stick to his diet? Who knows but I don't think Gavin will make Lightwelter again but if he does ad like to see him and Curtis this tome down a weight.

Re: Where next for last nights fighters?

Posted: 17 Jul 2011, 05:34
by Deserter
Great initial post Earsjohn and pretty much concur with all of it. Also agree that Mitchell should avoid Rios at all costs at this stage.
Hope Gavin learns from this rather than becoming known for being a 'could have been, should have been'.

Re: Where next for last nights fighters?

Posted: 17 Jul 2011, 05:39
by leforge
Mitchell needs to get the court case out the way. Then fight for a world title eliminator.

Bellew a defenceof British against either Mcintosh or Ajisafe.

Murray move up to light welter then after easy comeback go for British or European.

Gavin move down to light welter and fight Woodhouse again. Don't forget Gavin failed to make the contracted weight. So a fight on level playing field will be fair.

Re: Where next for last nights fighters?

Posted: 17 Jul 2011, 05:42
by leforge
Burns fight Bronner that be a good one!

Re: Where next for last nights fighters?

Posted: 17 Jul 2011, 05:51
by mkirkhope
I think Murray really showed his level last night. He's Euro at best and shouldn't be involved in a 'world' conversation at all. I've always said on here I completely fail to see anything in him at all to indicate that he can kick-on.

I just can't recall seeing another boxer with absolutely zero head movement like that. You could balance an apple on the top of his head for a whole round and it wouldn't fall off. He's just standing there waiting to be hit. He also really plods forward in a straight line and even his punches seem quite slow and clumsy.

He's obviously really relied on his chin, bravery and strength to get him through fight after fight (and these attributes can certainly make a good boxer) but I think there are real miles starting to be put on the clock now - his face was brutally marked up for a fight that only went 7 full rounds - and I can unfortunately see him starting to go downhill from this point. He's had, what, 32 fights and taken lots of punches in plenty of them. You can't go on like that forever.

This isn't meant to be a personal dig at John, as I really like the guy. I just fail to see how anyone thought before last night that he could go into world level.

As for Burns, it has to be a big fight soon and Fana makes sense. I'd be worried bout his going into that with his 5 seconds of action last night being the preparation, so a decent warmup will be required. I actually think Arthur is a decent shout for this - Burns would win quite comfortably but get a good tune-up, and there would be a good crowd if it was in Scotland. Needs to be a fight that the fans take an interest in because a damp squib after last night could completely derail his momentum.

I think Burns should avoid Broner at the mo. Look at that match after Fana.

Re: Where next for last nights fighters?

Posted: 17 Jul 2011, 13:13
by Matt W
I wouldn't hurry to put Mitchell back in with Katsidis. I think he should build on last night's excellent win before thinking about that. Mitchell will still be catching heavy shots from Katsidis and as good as last night's performance was it doesn't convince me that he can overturn a crushing 3rd round defeat in his next fight. Let him put a string of good wins together.

Re: Where next for last nights fighters?

Posted: 17 Jul 2011, 14:17
by kamicazze
Mitchell - I think he should fight Breidis Prescott conqueror Miguel Vasquez for the IBF title. Should win comfortably. Then rematch Katsidis with the title on the line so it means a bit more. Then if he comes through that Rios

Bellew - Avoid Cleverley for the time being. Fight Danny Mcintosh first. Then Dodson in a derby followed by Quigley. Should win Ionsdale outright. More likely to go the way of him being fed to Cleverley, being broken down in 6 then having to rebuild.

Murray - I would put Alex Arthur in with Murray. This would be do or die for both. and if not Arthur id get David Diaz so he can jump right back in to the world rankings

Gavin - To get a nutritionist on board. Based on that performance Theopane would beat him and it explains why they turned down Adnan Amar for the English title. Next Opponent = Colin Lynes

Burns - Mzonke in an IBF unification. He could also get Rocky Juarez who would be a name on his record. and an IBO title fight with Cassius Baloyi

Purdy John O' Donnell match

Vassell IBO title fight in south africa

Watson Adnan Amar

Curtis Woodhouse - British title shot against Ashley Theopane

Re: Where next for last nights fighters?

Posted: 17 Jul 2011, 14:25
by earsjohn
Mzonke Fana is no longer the IBF Champ. He was stripped by the IBF for not fighting his mandatory (http://www.BS.com/mzonke-fana- ... own--39348). The vacant title is up for grabs next month in Mexico when Salgado fights Mendis.

Fana is vastly overrated. Uchiyama, Broner, Litzau. Martinez (rematch) and Ponce De Leon would all be better fights at Super Feather. It's also extremely unlikely that Fana leaves South Africa for a fight with Burns that would struggle to sell.