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Fury I'm afraid....
Posted: 23 Jul 2011, 18:12
by Crazyboy
I don't like him, the amount of times he has looked to the crowd and smiled etc gets on me nerves.
Anyone else hoping he gets knocked out? Also, does anyone honestly think he is that talented?
Re: Fury I'm afraid....
Posted: 23 Jul 2011, 18:16
by freddydoesdallas
This will be his biggest win tonight. He has no power, because of this he won't go far.
Great for C5 though
Re: Fury I'm afraid....
Posted: 23 Jul 2011, 18:27
by mkirkhope
I havent seen much of him but not impressed at all. None of his punches are thrown correctly and he seems to want to tap his opponent on the face rather than punching them - as if he's playing a game of tag.
He's going nowhere I'm afraid.
Re: Fury I'm afraid....
Posted: 23 Jul 2011, 19:40
by crusader
He's not going to be a great, but he's not shit either, and I feel like most people tend to focus only on his weaknesses. He's a huge man with a solid chin, good body punching, a diverse punch selection, and his hand speed isn't bad for a heavyweight. He's only 23 and he already has wins over a solid domestic operator in McDermott and European level operator in Chisora---who was probably getting a world title opportunity had he beat Fury.
When someone has won Commonwealth and British titles at such a young age, I think it's a bit harsh to say with authoirty that they are going nowhere.
If Fury makes absolutely no improvements in the future he would probably still be capable having success at the Euro level.
Re: Fury I'm afraid....
Posted: 23 Jul 2011, 19:50
by Gazmac81
i was actually impressed tonoight he was working the body well and also funny with the crowd winking , won well
Re: Fury I'm afraid....
Posted: 23 Jul 2011, 19:50
by TheCobra
crusader wrote:He's not going to be a great, but he's not shit either, and I feel like most people tend to focus only on his weaknesses. He's a huge man with a solid chin, good body punching, a diverse punch selection, and his hand speed isn't bad for a heavyweight. He's only 23 and he already has wins over a solid domestic operator in McDermott and European level operator in Chisora---who was probably getting a world title opportunity had he beat Fury.
When someone has won Commonwealth and British titles at such a young age, I think it's a bit harsh to say with authoirty that they are going nowhere.
If Fury makes absolutely no improvements in the future he would probably still be capable having success at the Euro level.
Spot on mate. At 23 he has achieved a lot and beaten everyone who has been put in front of him and passed some gut checks. Can't ask for much more. He has a lot going for him, if he can keep developing (this was the first fight where he looked truly fit and properly prepared for example), then he could go quite far.
Re: Fury I'm afraid....
Posted: 23 Jul 2011, 19:51
by mickeyb
Agreed. He already looks a good domestic/decent Euro-level fighter, which is hardly 'going nowhere', and he's still just a baby/ Yes, he will have to make massive improvements to take on the guys at the top of the division, but he has time on his side.
Anyone else think he came off very well in the pre-fight interview? He was actually very likable, unlike his Press Release persona, where he comes across as a bit of a chief.
Re: Fury I'm afraid....
Posted: 23 Jul 2011, 20:13
by charlieb
crusader wrote:He's not going to be a great, but he's not shit either...
That about sums it up for me, not in a mean or malicious sense, but for all of his flaws, he does possess qualities that other prospects, more touted for their skill, lacked.
There's also something of Froch about Fury, such unshakable, stubborn resolve. He's the type of fighter who could develop quite a following if he was on terrestrial a bit more.
Keep him away from Price and Perez domestically and he might be able to make a decent run at it. He needs a lot of fights before stepping in there with a Povetkin or Chagaev, let alone a Klit.
With Showtime seemingly interested, it makes me wonder if they have some american prospects they're sizing him up against for future bouts.
Re: Fury I'm afraid....
Posted: 23 Jul 2011, 22:58
by jamesmcdonnell
Froch always had serious power, something Fury doesn't possess. His punch technique is lousy. If he cannot develop some better technique offensively, he won't go beyond the level he is at now. Chisora was totally demotivated and woeful, allowing Fury to shine, but he couldn't trouble him at all, Chisora was there for the taking.
Re: Fury I'm afraid....
Posted: 24 Jul 2011, 01:24
by Eddy
I thought Fury looked abit stiff to me. For such a big bloke I wasn't impressed with his power at all. I think he'll be very popular with the British public though, as long as he keeps winning. I don't think he's world class. He is entertaining as a show man. I think his size will save him in a lot of fights, against a fighter like Mike Tyson (someone with a killer instinct which Chris didn't have), he would have been taken out in 1 or 2 rounds. He didn't look good when his oppoment put the pressure on.
Re: Fury I'm afraid....
Posted: 24 Jul 2011, 01:28
by leforge
Eddy wrote:I thought Fury looked abit stiff to me. For such a big bloke I wasn't impressed with his power at all. I think he'll be very popular with the British public though, as long as he keeps winning. I don't think he's world class. He is entertaining as a show man. I think his size will save him in a lot of fights, against a fighter like Mike Tyson (Someone with a killer instinct which Chris didn't have), he would have been taken out in 1 or 2 rounds.
Dont think he will be popular with the public he has some horrible fans!
Re: Fury I'm afraid....
Posted: 24 Jul 2011, 02:55
by TJ77
I thought FairPlay to him he boxed better than chisora which was all that mattered he is only 22 it would have been amusing to see what his fans would have done had chisora got the decision which if he'd put some effort in to getting fit and had thrown a bit more might have happened he was blowing after the second
Re: Fury I'm afraid....
Posted: 24 Jul 2011, 03:18
by GlobalBox
I thought the kid did well, He is what 22/23 British and Commonwealth champ, Could hold his own probably now but certainly in 2 years at European level and that makes him a 25 year old European heavyweight capable of fighting and winning that particular belt.
The Klitschko's will be gone in 4 years max, Vitali in a lot less than that, Fury will be in a Klitschko free division by the time he is 28, I think we need to cut him a break really.
Chin seems decent enough, hand speed is good, he throws 3, 4 and even 5 punch combinations with fair accuracy and speed, We know he can go a full 12 rounds now and for me Heavies dont really peak until around 27 so there may be some strength and conditioning to come.
He came back and took the initiative every time Chisora tried to up it and thats a pretty good mindset to have, his lack of one punch power at this current stage is something his team need to be wary of and I would definately not push him in with the Klitschko's yet. I understand that is where the money is but hell give it another 2 years minimum, Vitali might be gone and Wlad will be looking for his final few pay days.
There is good money to be made here still with a couple of heavyweights on our shores, Lets see if he can clear them out and then move towards the European belt.
Whilst now I think even without the Klitschko's he would not beat the best that they leave behind, I don't see how he is not in the top 20 and at such a young age I think thats a pretty
decent start
Re: Fury I'm afraid....
Posted: 24 Jul 2011, 03:28
by Londonirish
TheCobra wrote:crusader wrote:He's not going to be a great, but he's not shit either, and I feel like most people tend to focus only on his weaknesses. He's a huge man with a solid chin, good body punching, a diverse punch selection, and his hand speed isn't bad for a heavyweight. He's only 23 and he already has wins over a solid domestic operator in McDermott and European level operator in Chisora---who was probably getting a world title opportunity had he beat Fury.
When someone has won Commonwealth and British titles at such a young age, I think it's a bit harsh to say with authoirty that they are going nowhere.
If Fury makes absolutely no improvements in the future he would probably still be capable having success at the Euro level.
Spot on mate. At 23 he has achieved a lot and beaten everyone who has been put in front of him and passed some gut checks. Can't ask for much more. He has a lot going for him, if he can keep developing (this was the first fight where he looked truly fit and properly prepared for example), then he could go quite far.
X2 Spot on
Re: Fury I'm afraid....
Posted: 24 Jul 2011, 03:34
by JC
No offence to his uncle but I think he needs a new trainer or training set-up to move him along to the next level. Not saying he'll definitely get to world class but he has some good raw materials and it would be a shame to waste them.
Edit – Forgot to say good win for him last night showed a lot of heart and stayed calm.
Re: Fury I'm afraid....
Posted: 24 Jul 2011, 03:40
by hazza80
Tyson Fury is a joke of a heavweight. And to think this man is the British Heavyweight champion.
It was cringe-worthy watching that last night.
And those who keep saying "he's only 22" etc....you need to take your blinkers off! If he cant even throw proper punches at 22, what makes you think suddenly at 25 he will?
You can tell from a very young age who has the talent to reach the top, and this man certainly won't. Everyone agrees he got beat by Mcdermott, and even last night againt Dellboy, it was embarrasing viewing.
His technique is absolutely awful. He has NO power. He is slow. Terrible footwork.
A joke.
Re: Fury I'm afraid....
Posted: 24 Jul 2011, 03:48
by McCannW14
Crazyboy wrote:I don't like him, the amount of times he has looked to the crowd and smiled etc gets on me nerves.
Anyone else hoping he gets knocked out? Also, does anyone honestly think he is that talented?
He has boxing ability a decent chin, and surprisingly good ring generalship for someone so young and inexperienced. He is also decent looking, articulate and comes across very well.
In that respect he is good for TV but..............................
He is hardly the second coming of Gerry Cooney. Fury has zero power and as soon as he comes up against a good accurate puncher who can put 3 or 4 good shots together he will be in trouble.
Chisora was too heavy and nowhere near fit enough for the job. That lost him his titles.
Re: Fury I'm afraid....
Posted: 24 Jul 2011, 03:57
by crusader
hazza80 wrote:Tyson Fury is a joke of a heavweight. And to think this man is the British Heavyweight champion.
It was cringe-worthy watching that last night.
And those who keep saying "he's only 22" etc....you need to take your blinkers off! If he cant even throw proper punches at 22, what makes you think suddenly at 25 he will?
You can tell from a very young age who has the talent to reach the top, and this man certainly won't. Everyone agrees he got beat by Mcdermott, and even last night againt Dellboy, it was embarrasing viewing.
His technique is absolutely awful. He has NO power. He is slow. Terrible footwork.
A joke.
Everyone agrees that he lost to McDermott in their first fight, just as everyone agrees that he dominated and knocked out McDermott in a rematch. Lots of successful fighters struggled at some point during the early stages of their career; Carl Froch had an extremely tough time with Charles Adamu--who was really no better than McDermott or Chisora---and yet now he's one of the top 20 fighters in all of boxing. Fury certainly has flaws and the fight was not pretty, but he won well against an unbeaten and favored opponent who was being lined up for a world title fight.
Most British fighters get lauded for accomplishing what Fury has.
Re: Fury I'm afraid....
Posted: 24 Jul 2011, 04:03
by dookus
Pros: Good ring generalship, great body work, very good combos, fast hands, solid chin, strong heart
Cons: Poor power (never really did more than discourage Chisora), sloppy defence (it reminds me of Harrison;: stand there with your hands up and grab), still-questionable conditioning
Yep, needs a new trainer. But I think people are unnecessarily harsh on him, he's got some very good abilities. Hopefully, Manny Steward will show an interest in training him again, especially after the Klitschkos are gone.
Re: Fury I'm afraid....
Posted: 24 Jul 2011, 04:12
by scotty
Looking at the bigger picture I thought Channel 5 put on a good show and hopefully it will spark a bit of interest amongst the general public and lead to more boxing on terrestrial tv.
Looking at the fight Fury did look awkward and Chisora had him badly hurt in the second. The first thing the pair of them need to sort out though is improving their fitness. They were completely out of gas after the 9th.
Re: Fury I'm afraid....
Posted: 24 Jul 2011, 04:20
by ed robinson
I'm with crusader, Fury's a very natural, instinctive fighters so he throws shots on the counter that are sometimes all the better for being 'wrong'. They might occasionally be off balance, arm punch swipes but they are also almost impossible to read.
Psychologically he also looked comfortable in there when under pressure, always in control. I don't think Fury lacks power, he landed some lovely chopping right hands but Chisora surprised me with his bravery and durability and Tyson adapted to that and didn't put everything into every shot. The pace was great for heavyweights, a really enjoyable fight that.
Another case of two decent fighters meeting early in their careers and, to me, both improving their standing and learning something by taking the risk.
Re: Fury I'm afraid....
Posted: 24 Jul 2011, 04:21
by CiganoBoxer
scotty wrote:Looking at the bigger picture I thought Channel 5 put on a good show and hopefully it will spark a bit of interest amongst the general public and lead to more boxing on terrestrial tv.
Looking at the fight Fury did look awkward and Chisora had him badly hurt in the second. The first thing the pair of them need to sort out though is improving their fitness. They were completely out of gas after the 9th.
I dont know what fight you was watching ,Fury was never hurt in that fight,watch the fight back as he wasn't wobbled or rocked and looked to have a clear head the few times he was caught.
I thought Fury just out fought Chisora 9 out of 12 rounds,he landed the better combos throughout...Fury does look awkward tho but that due to his size of near 7 ft lol
Fury got a good chin and the heart of a lion ,Remember me saying it he will put a beating on david price
Re: Fury I'm afraid....
Posted: 24 Jul 2011, 04:23
by Final round
I knew it was going to points after Chisora shot his bolt in the second after all Fury's promises to knock out, kill, snap off his jaw and he could barely hurt an unfit Chisora.
Glad the Wlad fight didn't happen now, it would have been a mismatch.
Edit: According to Fury he hits harder than both the Klitschko's so Steward told him so it seems Dereck would have had no problem at all.
Re: Fury I'm afraid....
Posted: 24 Jul 2011, 04:25
by CiganoBoxer
ed robinson wrote:I'm with crusader, Fury's a very natural, instinctive fighters so he throws shots on the counter that are sometimes all the better for being 'wrong'. They might occasionally be off balance, arm punch swipes but they are also almost impossible to read.
Psychologically he also looked comfortable in there when under pressure, always in control. I don't think Fury lacks power, he landed some lovely chopping right hands but Chisora surprised me with his bravery and durability and Tyson adapted to that and didn't put everything into every shot. The pace was great for heavyweights, a really enjoyable fight that.
Agreed mate , i thought it was great domestic dust up and fought at a good pace
Anybody see Fr@nk W@rron whispering in Tyson's ear ?? wonder what he was saying ?
Re: Fury I'm afraid....
Posted: 24 Jul 2011, 04:38
by Jeff Thomas
A lot of hate gets directed at Fury, I think he's a smashing bloke and has a pretty impressive list of acievements for his age. I think Hughie Fury has done a great job with him and knows his fighter inside out. That said, I believe he has probably reached his limits at the top of domestic level and i'll tell you why. For all his size his power isn't that impressive. I think he hits hard enough to hurt you but he's not an out and out puncher- thats for certain.
Furthermore he lacks spontinaity and creativity in his attacks. He seems very inconsitant and at European/ world level I think he'd suffer as a result of that- it seems he simply needs more avenues when he's fighting, which he currently does not have. The link was Steward was a sensible one, but one that seems to have curtailed for some reason.
Hughie Fury should be his chief second but I would look at developing him with a trainer in the states. He just needs more to his game then a couple of impressive flurries and then holding on.
But for heart, personality. chin and entertainment the heavyweight division looks in a good state.
Price- Fury would be a pretty massive attraction right now.