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All in prime. Who wins at middleweight or super mw

Floyd Mayweather

Tommy hearns

Roberto duran

Joe Calzaghe

James Toney

Sergio Martinez

Jake la motta

Bernard Hopkins

Michael Kessler

Random list I know whats your thoughts

Floyd Mayweather - Benn KO

Tommy hearns - Hearns KO

Roberto duran - Benn UD

Joe Calzaghe - Benn UD

James Toney - Toney KO

Sergio Martinez - Benn KO

Jake la motta - La Motta KO

Bernard Hopkins - Hopkins UD

Michael Kessler - Benn KO

Floyd has no business on there.

Kessler is the only fight I'd favor him in. But he would have a chance to win against everyone but Hopkins and LaMotta.

Floyd by brutal KO

Vs Mayweather: No brainer, Benn ko

Vs Hears: Well you have to heavily favour Hears by ko but Benn has a punchers chance.

Vs Duran: Hmm...Don't know much about Duran at middleweight, so no prediction.

Vs Calzaghe: I'd go with Calzaghe by tko. He was a good puncher before he started having hand problems.

Vs: Toney: Toney UD or late tko. Assuming Toney turns up in shape I think he'd dismantle Benn.

Vs Martinez: Benn ko.

Vs Lamotta: Lamotta by cuts/swelling tko in a war. Benn was a big puncher but Lamotta walked through bigger.

Vs Hopkins: Hopkins by knockout.

Vs Kessler: Benn ko.

Floyd Mayweather - Benn by KO, much too big and powerful for Mayweather

Tommy hearns - Hearns by KO, though Benn has a punchers chance

Roberto duran - Duran by decision

Joe Calzaghe - Calzaghe by decision or late stoppage

James Toney - Toney by decision

Sergio Martinez - Benn by decision or late stoppage

Jake la motta - La Motta by KO

Bernard Hopkins - Bhop by decision

Michael Kessler - Benn by decision

Whilst I'm most picking against Benn in most of these fights, I think he would be very competitive in all of them. The fighters on here are all time greats apart from Martinez and Kessler, who along with Benn are a notch below this. La Motta vs Benn would be a firestorm of violence.

Livingstone Cole wrote:Every single one of these fights sounds like an absolute classic.

I doubt he'd have enough to beat Hopkins, I'd have him beating Martinez, Kessler and a much, smaller Floyd. He'd have a chance against everyone else.

I am comfortable with this.

Not the greatest chin (not a bad chin by any stretch) but very, very brave and when hurt he is much more dangerous.

mrbassie wrote: Vs Duran: Hmm...Don't know much about Duran at middleweight, so no prediction.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxFoBuffkgo

Here is a clip of them sparring. It's just sparring, but you can see where Duran would have given him all kinds of problems. Aggressive sluggers were Roberto's bread and butter in old age. That's the case for most great fighters. It's much easier to counter punch than it is to press the pace aggressively.

I know what your saying about Floyd, saad, but for sake of few pounds ( or 20, although Floyd got to 154 for DLH fight so not far off early Benn) just.wanted to include it because that would be such an interesting fight. Ferocious attacking warrior, against defensive master.
For me, Nigel beats Kessler and Martine the easiest. Both Late ko's He goes to war with la motta in an absolute classic but scores a late stoppage. He gets ko'd by Hearns, has another war with duran, where duran scores ko, but Benn would have fighters chance. I think he beats Toney and have always thought that. Late, KO. Calzaghe outpoints him and if he gets to Floyd early he wins by ko, if Floyd is not out by 5th, Floyd sees fight out and outpoints him. I think B hop on points, but he takes a good few heavy.hits along the.way.

Love Nigel Benn either way.

Floyd only fought at 54 for a payday. He is just too small for a Middleweight like Nigel.

The Dark Destroyer wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Floyd only fought at 54 for a payday. He is just too small for a Middleweight like Nigel.

I would pick Benn, but Floyd would give him a much tougher fight than I think you're giving him credit for. I'd even fancy Floyd to be ahead on points when Benn comes on too strong for him in the last few rounds.

I didn't even offer a prediction. That's a fantasy fight in a forum of fantasy match ups. It's like the Roy vs Floyd at 54 stuff. Not even worth thinking about for me.

The Dark Destroyer wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

The Dark Destroyer wrote: I would pick Benn, but Floyd would give him a much tougher fight than I think you're giving him credit for. I'd even fancy Floyd to be ahead on points when Benn comes on too strong for him in the last few rounds.

I didn't even offer a prediction. That's a fantasy fight in a forum of fantasy match ups. It's like the Roy vs Floyd at 54 stuff. Not even worth thinking about for me.

I assumed you thought Benn would dominate him from the 'he is just too small for a middleweight like Nigel' line. Fair dues if you didn't mean that though.

Nah, benn would have a hard time hitting him. But I'd have to see Floyd fight someone remotely close to that size before I tried to go into it. I mean Benn at his best was at 168.

ryanst1982 wrote:I know what your saying about Floyd, saad, but for sake of few pounds ( or 20, although Floyd got to 154 for DLH fight so not far off early Benn) just.wanted to include it because that would be such an interesting fight. Ferocious attacking warrior, against defensive master.
For me, Nigel beats Kessler and Martine the easiest. Both Late ko's He goes to war with la motta in an absolute classic but scores a late stoppage. He gets ko'd by Hearns, has another war with duran, where duran scores ko, but Benn would have fighters chance. I think he beats Toney and have always thought that. Late, KO. Calzaghe outpoints him and if he gets to Floyd early he wins by ko, if Floyd is not out by 5th, Floyd sees fight out and outpoints him. I think B hop on points, but he takes a good few heavy.hits along the.way.

Love Nigel Benn either way.

Am I reading this right? Benn beats LaMotta, stops LaMotta late?

Ouch, knocks out Toney too.

Goodnight, Irene wrote:

ryanst1982 wrote:I know what your saying about Floyd, saad, but for sake of few pounds ( or 20, although Floyd got to 154 for DLH fight so not far off early Benn) just.wanted to include it because that would be such an interesting fight. Ferocious attacking warrior, against defensive master.
For me, Nigel beats Kessler and Martine the easiest. Both Late ko's He goes to war with la motta in an absolute classic but scores a late stoppage. He gets ko'd by Hearns, has another war with duran, where duran scores ko, but Benn would have fighters chance. I think he beats Toney and have always thought that. Late, KO. Calzaghe outpoints him and if he gets to Floyd early he wins by ko, if Floyd is not out by 5th, Floyd sees fight out and outpoints him. I think B hop on points, but he takes a good few heavy.hits along the.way.

Love Nigel Benn either way.

Am I reading this right? Benn beats LaMotta, stops LaMotta late?

Ryan, what have you said?!? Suggesting that LaMotta would struggle against any fighter from a later era is sacrilege! It's like slagging off the Queen Mother or Cilla Black. Never mind that he had 19 losses (14 to smaller men) and a KO% of way less than 40%. You need to learn a simple lesson very quickly: even though people now run faster, throw further and have access to greater expertise on things like nutrition and training methods than previously, any fighter from a previous era beats any comparative fighter from later. Stick to this and you won't be laughed at.

What I find funny is that after all that bluster, you wouldnt put one red cent on that outcome either

Goodnight, Irene wrote:What I find funny is that after all that bluster, you wouldnt put one red cent on that outcome either

You're right, I wouldn't, but my point was about the general attitude of quite a few people on this forum.
I actually think that the MWs/SMWs of today should really be compared to LHWs of the past due to the amount of draining that goes on today.
I appreciate that records were less padded back in the day and the numbers don't tell the whole story, but LaMotta seems oddly untouchable on these boards. Perhaps it's because of the film.

Lamotta...not highly skilled and not a big puncher. Raging Bull is the culprit for him being overrated today

gb wrote:

Goodnight, Irene wrote:What I find funny is that after all that bluster, you wouldnt put one red cent on that outcome either

You're right, I wouldn't, but my point was about the general attitude of quite a few people on this forum.
I actually think that the MWs/SMWs of today should really be compared to LHWs of the past due to the amount of draining that goes on today.
I appreciate that records were less padded back in the day and the numbers don't tell the whole story, but LaMotta seems oddly untouchable on these boards. Perhaps it's because of the film.

And yet it didnt occur to you I might be assessing the fight independent of any bias? We agree the outcome posited just isnt gonna happen.

gb wrote:

Goodnight, Irene wrote:What I find funny is that after all that bluster, you wouldnt put one red cent on that outcome either

You're right, I wouldn't, but my point was about the general attitude of quite a few people on this forum.
I actually think that the MWs/SMWs of today should really be compared to LHWs of the past due to the amount of draining that goes on today.
I appreciate that records were less padded back in the day and the numbers don't tell the whole story, but LaMotta seems oddly untouchable on these boards. Perhaps it's because of the film.

Jake drained a lot of weight in his day as well. He could have competed at Light Heavy and no doubt would have been today. LaMotta, and older fighters in general, can be overrated. But one thing that isn't overrated is his chin. I wouldn't pick anybody to stop him, from any era. That doesn't make it impossible. But it's damn sure unlikely.

When I said stoppage, I should have stipulated that it was stoppage due to cuts. (thought I did). Im very aware of la mottas chin but I have always thought he was over rated as a fighter due to the film and the fact he beat the greatest boxer of all time and was first to do so. I would pick a lot of boxers through time to beat Jake, just my opinion.

BarryWashington wrote: but the stoppage on barkley was dirty and complete bull shit .

Barkley was going down that night, whatever happened. Benn coulda knocked two or three of him out, one after the other, given 7 or 8 rounds.

barkley didn't look glassy-eyed, slightly weak-kneed and shellshocked to you?

BarryWashington wrote:do i agree w/that? nope.

oh well.

ryanst1982 wrote:When I said stoppage, I should have stipulated that it was stoppage due to cuts. (thought I did). Im very aware of la mottas chin but I have always thought he was over rated as a fighter due to the film and the fact he beat the greatest boxer of all time and was first to do so. I would pick a lot of boxers through time to beat Jake, just my opinion.

Cuts stoppage vs Lamotta OK, but how is Benn going to KO James Tony?