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Skips spuds and bread for a 6 days, then have a cheat day of anything you fancy.

If you can pull that off, then try and eat 5 or 6 smaller meals a day instead of just brekkie, lunch and dinner. If you struggle cooking it, finding time - then maybe get yourself a blender and a tub of chocolate CNP pro peptide and a box of CNP flapjacks to nibble on. Even a couple of ryvita if you want to crunch something.

Any chocolates, crisps and greasy take aways are a massive no-no.

There are massively complicated diets and food groups out there that work, but stick to the basics and you'll do ok.

billy bessey wrote:Since retiring i have got myself up to a super morbidly obese weight(yes i know i was no slim jim when i was fighting) but i wanna get myself to a half decent weight and lose a few stone for my wedding in May and also i might have myself another fight or 2 so im gonna start training and dieting. When i used to train i never used any supplements at all but i know most do now and they help with dieting,energy and recovery so can anyone give me any tips on what sort of stuff would be helpful? And yes i know a positive mental attitude healthy diet and training is the most important thing but i found it hard enough training when i was in my teens let alone nearly 40. so any advice on what would help would be greatly appreciated cheers gents

Never mind supplements. The best way to lose weight is to cut out sugar and starchy carvs. Training is actually far less effective for weight loss than diet. Basically if you eat meat, fish, vegetables, nuts and fruit, you will lose weight fast.

No rice, no pasta, no potatoes, no bread, no cereals - basically get all your carbs from non startchy vegetables like brocolli, cabbage, cauliflower, peppers, tomatoes, fresh veg no statrchy crap.

Cut out booze, and most especially beer which is very carb heavy.

It worked for me I lost 2 1/2 stone and I've never put it back on again, that was almost 2 years ago.

If you want to see proof of this, read a book called 'the diet delusion' it debunks the myths of a so called 'healthy diet' that they have been feeding people for the last 40 odd years. F

The biggest enemy is sugary food, don't eat biscuits, cakes etc, and certainly no sugary fizzy drinks.

G0mez wrote:Skips spuds and bread for a 6 days, then have a cheat day of anything you fancy.

If you can pull that off, then try and eat 5 or 6 smaller meals a day instead of just brekkie, lunch and dinner. If you struggle cooking it, finding time - then maybe get yourself a blender and a tub of chocolate CNP pro peptide and a box of CNP flapjacks to nibble on. Even a couple of ryvita if you want to crunch something.

Any chocolates, crisps and greasy take aways are a massive no-no.

There are massively complicated diets and food groups out there that work, but stick to the basics and you'll do ok.

Agree with all that, except about the take aways. A full fry up, with bacon, eggs, sausages and no beans or bread, is very healthy, and in fact will help you lose weight. Theres lots of evidence to support the fact that fatty food, even from saturated animal fat, far from being bad for you, actually enables your body to function much more effeciently, and that diets rich in carbohydrate is why the western world has been getting more and more obsese.

It's interesting that Billy was always overweight even when training hard. In fact, exercise has a far lesser role in body fat increase than was previously thought.

The only time these days i put on weight is if I slip up and allow sugar into my diet, start eating bread, or cane the beers. I do all three rarely these days, and managing my weight is a piece of cake.

Billy what were you eating when you were training?

billy bessey wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

G0mez wrote:Skips spuds and bread for a 6 days, then have a cheat day of anything you fancy.

If you can pull that off, then try and eat 5 or 6 smaller meals a day instead of just brekkie, lunch and dinner. If you struggle cooking it, finding time - then maybe get yourself a blender and a tub of chocolate CNP pro peptide and a box of CNP flapjacks to nibble on. Even a couple of ryvita if you want to crunch something.

Any chocolates, crisps and greasy take aways are a massive no-no.

There are massively complicated diets and food groups out there that work, but stick to the basics and you'll do ok.

Agree with all that, except about the take aways. A full fry up, with bacon, eggs, sausages and no beans or bread, is very healthy, and in fact will help you lose weight. Theres lots of evidence to support the fact that fatty food, even from saturated animal fat, far from being bad for you, actually enables your body to function much more effeciently, and that diets rich in carbohydrate is why the western world has been getting more and more obsese.

It's interesting that Billy was always overweight even when training hard. In fact, exercise has a far lesser role in body fat increase than was previously thought.

The only time these days i put on weight is if I slip up and allow sugar into my diet, start eating bread, or cane the beers. I do all three rarely these days, and managing my weight is a piece of cake.

Billy what were you eating when you were training?

just normal stuff really but i would binge terribly afterwards put on 1-2 st then have to lose it all to get back to where i was. Im gonna order that book off amazon thanks for taking time out to give advice mate

There's actually a follow up book which is better as an advice book, 'the diet delusion' is more of a science book. Check out the one below.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Why-We-Get-Fat- ... 604&sr=8-1

billy bessey wrote:Since retiring i have got myself up to a super morbidly obese weight(yes i know i was no slim jim when i was fighting) but i wanna get myself to a half decent weight and lose a few stone for my wedding in May and also i might have myself another fight or 2 so im gonna start training and dieting. When i used to train i never used any supplements at all but i know most do now and they help with dieting,energy and recovery so can anyone give me any tips on what sort of stuff would be helpful? And yes i know a positive mental attitude healthy diet and training is the most important thing but i found it hard enough training when i was in my teens let alone nearly 40. so any advice on what would help would be greatly appreciated cheers gents

Spread your meals out over 5 or 6 smaller meals, this will help your metobolic rate improve, don't eat one or two big meals and starve yourself for long periods this don't work, your body will go into panic mode and store more fat, eat brown rice or pasta with Yam and Spinach along with Chicken or fish, drink plent of water, no soft drinks, don't eat too late at night, try and have your last meal no later then 8pm, Bran flakes or porridge in a morning with low fat milk, the most important thing is self control, hope that helps

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Never mind supplements. The best way to lose weight is to cut out sugar and starchy carvs. Training is actually far less effective for weight loss than diet. Basically if you eat meat, fish, vegetables, nuts and fruit, you will lose weight fast.

No rice, no pasta, no potatoes, no bread, no cereals - basically get all your carbs from non startchy vegetables like brocolli, cabbage, cauliflower, peppers, tomatoes, fresh veg no statrchy crap.

Cut out booze, and most especially beer which is very carb heavy.

It worked for me I lost 2 1/2 stone and I've never put it back on again, that was almost 2 years ago.

If you want to see proof of this, read a book called 'the diet delusion' it debunks the myths of a so called 'healthy diet' that they have been feeding people for the last 40 odd years. F

The biggest enemy is sugary food, don't eat biscuits, cakes etc, and certainly no sugary fizzy drinks.

Interesting.

So if you are not particularly trying to lose weight and are doing a lot of training would you up your fat intake in order to provide the required energy?

Also is brown rice counted as a starchy carb?

Upping your fat intake, will as counter intuitive as it sounds, result in your burning more body fat.

The whole 'low fat myth' is based on very poor scientific studies done in the late 1950s, it is the hormone insulin which largely regulates fat depositing.

Some people are more resistant to insulin to others, that means they are more sensitive to carbohydrates and especially refined (simple) carbs. These people are those that can train intensively and never look ripped. I am one of these. I've lost more body fat by changing my diet, and heavily restricting carbs, than I ever did with going to the gym 5-6 times a week, doing cardio, cycling etc. I do work out now,

Carbs basically stimulate the body in to producing insulin, which in turn prevents the body burning fat, and in turn makes you hungry, when the insulin level dips, causing you to eat more. As weird as it sounds, all the evidence points to the fact that it is NOT the amount of calories you eat, but what types of calories you consume.

Fatty and protein rich foods produce less insulin response.

There is lots of material on this, the reason that Taubes' book is worth a look is that he is a science journalist, rather than a diet book producer. He has won numerous prestigious awards for his work in many fields of science, and he has basically just come to these conclusions by actually analysing the data available. His case is extremely compelling.

Dr. Atkins has been proven largely right in his approach, he was largely decredited in his own time, partly because of others in his field who disagreed with his theories. The evidence he gathered from decades of running a practice is however insdisputable. Also, the 'fact' that he died of a heart attack and was overweight when he died, is in fact complete rot, which was again trotted out by his enemies in the medical profession.

the main problem with the Atkins diet, is that it is very prescriptive, it requires total abstinence from carbs for a period, which for most people is going to be too much.

Basically everything we have been told about a healthy diet for the last 40 years,is largely wrong. Especially the t'three square meals' rubbish, which if anything encourages weight gain.

J-C wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Never mind supplements. The best way to lose weight is to cut out sugar and starchy carvs. Training is actually far less effective for weight loss than diet. Basically if you eat meat, fish, vegetables, nuts and fruit, you will lose weight fast.

No rice, no pasta, no potatoes, no bread, no cereals - basically get all your carbs from non startchy vegetables like brocolli, cabbage, cauliflower, peppers, tomatoes, fresh veg no statrchy crap.

Cut out booze, and most especially beer which is very carb heavy.

It worked for me I lost 2 1/2 stone and I've never put it back on again, that was almost 2 years ago.

If you want to see proof of this, read a book called 'the diet delusion' it debunks the myths of a so called 'healthy diet' that they have been feeding people for the last 40 odd years. F

The biggest enemy is sugary food, don't eat biscuits, cakes etc, and certainly no sugary fizzy drinks.

Interesting.

So if you are not particularly trying to lose weight and are doing a lot of training would you up your fat intake in order to provide the required energy?

Also is brown rice counted as a starchy carb?

Yes brown rice is a starchy carb. I eat it maybe once every two weeks, mainly because i like it, along with mashed potato about as often.

If you're training heavily, you may need some simple carbs just after a training session to prevent collapsing. The one time your body DOES need very simple carbs, is IMMEDAITELY after a heavy training session. So long as you have suffifience stores of complex carbs and protein in your diet, you should have enough energy to complete a workout. You can actually survive without ANY carbs in your diet, as your body can convert proteins and fats to glycogen to make the muscles work, but, it takes much longer and so isn't suited for short rapidly required bursts of energy. You wouldn't win the tour de france on a carb free diet.

lads, are jacket potatoes no good if im trying to lose weight? some ppl say there healthy others say there no good if your trying to lose weight?

Thanks James I'll definitely look into this. Cheers.

All good advice, i've got down to 12stone from 13 stone, just upping my exercise.

But i'd like to tone up more, so guess i'll have to knock the sugar and bread etc on the head.

Also try and get to a gym a bit more, ideally i'd like to be around 11st 6lbs.

REEVE wrote:lads, are jacket potatoes no good if im trying to lose weight? some ppl say there healthy others say there no good if your trying to lose weight?

Pure carbs - worst thing you can eat if you want to lose weight.

It's not surprising that people think it is healthy, because this is what the medical and scientific establishment spent the last 40 years telling us to eat, along with bran, cereal crops, wholewheat bread, etc. Bascially all of these are cheap, carb rich foods which are poor man's food, they are used to bulk out the diet. They are also foods which are easily stored, because they are heavily processed.

Funnily enough, even at the turn of the century, doctors used to tell their patients to stop eating bread, rice and potatoes if they wanted to lose weight. It wasn't until the 1960's that flawed research carried out in the US, turned everything on it's head, and told everyone to stop eating fatty food, red meats, and high protein food, and told them to start eating carb rich, grain rich diets - since then, there's been an absolute explosion in obesity in the countries that have followed this advice.

By contrast, in France, where they have a very meat rich diet, and also lots of fatty food, the population has remained remarkably slim and healthy, same in Germany, and yet - these results were entirely ignored during the research, as it didn't fit with the model they came up with.

Basically, it was a case of someone doing a study, but having already decided the results in advance, because it fit with what they believed to be 'common sense' always a dangerous approach.

REEVE wrote:lads, are jacket potatoes no good if im trying to lose weight? some ppl say there healthy others say there no good if your trying to lose weight?

There a big no no Reeve.

Your basically eating a huge starchy carb. You'd be no worse off with a big white frenchstick.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

REEVE wrote:lads, are jacket potatoes no good if im trying to lose weight? some ppl say there healthy others say there no good if your trying to lose weight?

Pure carbs - worst thing you can eat if you want to lose weight.

It's not surprising that people think it is healthy, because this is what the medical and scientific establishment spent the last 40 years telling us to eat, along with bran, cereal crops, wholewheat bread, etc. Bascially all of these are cheap, carb rich foods which are poor man's food, they are used to bulk out the diet. They are also foods which are easily stored, because they are heavily processed.

Funnily enough, even at the turn of the century, doctors used to tell their patients to stop eating bread, rice and potatoes if they wanted to lose weight. It wasn't until the 1960's that flawed research carried out in the US, turned everything on it's head, and told everyone to stop eating fatty food, red meats, and high protein food, and told them to start eating carb rich, grain rich diets - since then, there's been an absolute explosion in obesity in the countries that have followed this advice.

By contrast, in France, where they have a very meat rich diet, and also lots of fatty food, the population has remained remarkably slim and healthy, same in Germany, and yet - these results were entirely ignored during the research, as it didn't fit with the model they came up with.

Basically, it was a case of someone doing a study, but having already decided the results in advance, because it fit with what they believed to be 'common sense' always a dangerous approach.

qaulity post thanks mate, and cheers gomez, its so hard trying to keep the weight down and now i know why ive been eating a jacket everyday thinking its a good way to lose weight :(

diet - definetly the hardest part of being a boxer imo.

It's funny when you think. The old timers used to eat steak and eggs, modern nutritionists laughed at this diet, but actually - it's perfect for keeping excess weight off.

If anyone is interested, I've come up with quite a few low-carb high protein recipes, if anyone is interested, PM me and I'll put them together.

Alternatively, I think you can view them on my account on livestrong.com, an excellent website by the way for tracking the carb content of your diet if you're trying to lose weight. I've kind of got to the point where I don't need to use it any more, but when I put on some weight about a year or so ago, I went back on there to keep track of carbs and duly lost the 4 lbs I'd gained in a week.

To everyone who PM'd me, I will be putting together my list of low carb recipes in a document. It#'s not a huge list at the moment, but you can find a sample on my account at livestrong.com.

I'm not sure if you need to have an account to view them.

http://www.livestrong.com/thedailyplate ... thedaddyj/

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

billy bessey wrote:Since retiring i have got myself up to a super morbidly obese weight(yes i know i was no slim jim when i was fighting) but i wanna get myself to a half decent weight and lose a few stone for my wedding in May and also i might have myself another fight or 2 so im gonna start training and dieting. When i used to train i never used any supplements at all but i know most do now and they help with dieting,energy and recovery so can anyone give me any tips on what sort of stuff would be helpful? And yes i know a positive mental attitude healthy diet and training is the most important thing but i found it hard enough training when i was in my teens let alone nearly 40. so any advice on what would help would be greatly appreciated cheers gents

Never mind supplements. The best way to lose weight is to cut out sugar and starchy carvs. Training is actually far less effective for weight loss than diet. Basically if you eat meat, fish, vegetables, nuts and fruit, you will lose weight fast.

No rice, no pasta, no potatoes, no bread, no cereals - basically get all your carbs from non startchy vegetables like brocolli, cabbage, cauliflower, peppers, tomatoes, fresh veg no statrchy crap.

Cut out booze, and most especially beer which is very carb heavy.

It worked for me I lost 2 1/2 stone and I've never put it back on again, that was almost 2 years ago.

If you want to see proof of this, read a book called 'the diet delusion' it debunks the myths of a so called 'healthy diet' that they have been feeding people for the last 40 odd years. F

The biggest enemy is sugary food, don't eat biscuits, cakes etc, and certainly no sugary fizzy drinks.

+plenty of water
+good amount of sleep to keep cortisol levels down

jamesmcdonnell wrote: Dr. Atkins has been proven largely right in his approach, he was largely decredited in his own time, partly because of others in his field who disagreed with his theories. The evidence he gathered from decades of running a practice is however insdisputable. Also, the 'fact' that he died of a heart attack and was overweight when he died, is in fact complete rot, which was again trotted out by his enemies in the medical profession.

the main problem with the Atkins diet, is that it is very prescriptive, it requires total abstinence from carbs for a period, which for most people is going to be too much.

Yeah but still common sense... Abstaining from one particular macronutrient (carbohydrate in this case) doesn't seem quite right. Also the fact that Atkins discourages from eating fruit and veg (if they contain carb) and in the same time allows big amounts of processed foods and saturated fats regardless of where it's coming from sounds dodgy to me.
The Paleo Diet on the other hand only advices against grains, legumes, dairy, processed foods, salt and sugar. In the same time the principle of nutritional density of everything you eat is promoted. Animal fats are allowed in moderation and only as long as they come from grass-fed meat or wild game because then the proportion omega 3 to omega 6 fatty acids is healthy.
Weight losses on Paleo probably won't be as dramatic as on Atkins but the diet is definitely more natural, tastier and actually possible to be continued pretty much forever.
More about P.D. here:

http://www.earth360.com/diet_paleodiet_balzer.html

Hi-Just to say i have lost 38 pounds in the last 4 and a half months--I was 13.9 and am now 10.13 and still losing weight.

I have done this by cutting calories down to around 1800-1900 most days and a low fat diet. Also doing a lot more exercise then before.

Terminator666 wrote:Hi-Just to say i have lost 38 pounds in the last 4 and a half months--I was 13.9 and am now 10.13 and still losing weight.

I have done this by cutting calories down to around 1800-1900 most days and a low fat diet. Also doing a lot more exercise then before.

Do you know what your body fat% was 4.5 months ago and what is it now (checked manually by experienced professional)?
This way you could establish how much of what you've lost was fat and how much muscle tissue.

No unforunately i don't know that. Would not have thought that i had particlarly lost any great amounts of musscle tissue though. Feel better physically then i have done for many years.

Sure, I can easily imagine you feel great after having been overweight for years
However it'd be also good to check your b.f. even now as that will tell you where you are and what kind of further actions are appropriate. I'd say something around 10% or less is good enough for recreational athlete. Just make sure it's done with professional body fat callipers, ideally using Bio Signature Modulation method. That would also give you an idea about your different hormone levels.