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no matter which way you spin it tyson duglas was huge

DLH vs pac at the time was huge

Kalambay - McCallum

Are we using hindsight?

If not, then the likes of Sullivan/Corbett, Louis/SchmelingI, Ali/ListonI, Ali/ForemanI, Tyson/Douglas and Tyson/HolyfieldI are rightly going to dominate.

With hindsight, to this day I still cannot figure out how Tommy got outpointed by Barkley in their rematch. Barkley landing a bomb with Tommy's legs the way they were, was an upset, but comprehensible. But the finest boxers of the generation could not outpoint Hearns, yet the crude Blade could...

BarryWashington wrote:

p4p1 wrote:no matter which way you spin it tyson duglas was huge

DLH vs pac at the time was huge

Sure it was huge, but, 42-1 huge? No fuckin' way. Douglas' performances against : Mike Williams, Oliver McCall, Trevor Berbick & Tony Tucker showed that Douglas (when properly prepared & motivated) was a dangerous HW.

but at the time tyson was seen as indestructable there wasnt many places that gave 42 - 1 its stupid odds in a 2 horse race thats for sure

p4p1 wrote:

BarryWashington wrote:

p4p1 wrote:no matter which way you spin it tyson duglas was huge

DLH vs pac at the time was huge

Sure it was huge, but, 42-1 huge? No fuckin' way. Douglas' performances against : Mike Williams, Oliver McCall, Trevor Berbick & Tony Tucker showed that Douglas (when properly prepared & motivated) was a dangerous HW.

but at the time tyson was seen as indestructable there wasnt many places that gave 42 - 1 its stupid odds in a 2 horse race thats for sure

The only reason the odds were made, was because a punter at The Mirage wanted to bet on a Tyson win, thus the book was set up.

The only book that had decent business back in that period in a Tyson fight, was the under/over book.

TBooze wrote:

p4p1 wrote:

BarryWashington wrote: Sure it was huge, but, 42-1 huge? No fuckin' way. Douglas' performances against : Mike Williams, Oliver McCall, Trevor Berbick & Tony Tucker showed that Douglas (when properly prepared & motivated) was a dangerous HW.

but at the time tyson was seen as indestructable there wasnt many places that gave 42 - 1 its stupid odds in a 2 horse race thats for sure

The only reason the odds were made, was because a punter at The Mirage wanted to bet on a Tyson win, thus the book was set up.

The only book that had decent business back in that period in a Tyson fight, was the under/over book.

Actually I'm fairly certain no-one in Vegas posted up the 42-1 odds . . .

Lloyd Honeyghan v Don Curry was a pretty good one.

Loved Lloyd.

dempseyfire wrote:Actually I'm fairly certain no-one in Vegas posted up the 42-1 odds . . .

Steve Wynn (The Mirage) did, as, as I mentioned a favoured gambler requested the book, to put money on Tyson.

I am thiking though the odds may of been something like 37/1 rather than 42/1, I am not sure.

Laing/Duran
Fernandez/Arguello
Jones/Robinson
Ioka/Yuh
Flores/Gushiken

And how many did the judges prevent like Davis/Spinks, Curry/Benitez and so on and so on?

Benn vs mcclellan......Benn was supposed to get his ass kicked that night but showed the yanks the way

BarryWashington wrote:

flatnoseflynn wrote:Benn vs mcclellan......Benn was supposed to get his ass kicked that night but showed the yanks the way

You mean if there was any other referee that was competent in that match that Benn doesn't make it out of the first round?

Are you from the good old USA by any chance

BarryWashington wrote:What (IYO) are the truest biggest upsets of all-time?

People always look to bring up the betting lines with Clay/Liston or Tyson/Douglas, but, in reality those were bull shit and over exaggerated lines.

Anyway, I'll rattle off one:

Alfonzo Ratliff SD12 Carlos De Leon

It was an upset. I dont remember it a huge one though. I knew Ratliff. Boxed a couple times with him in the gym. He was extremely rangy and tall and could bang pretty good. He had the ability to beat any cruiserweight back then. Most of his losses were to heavys and he really didnt have that kind of frame.
I havent seen the fight since it happened but I seem to recall Fonzo just kinda out hustled him. Kept him at the end of his jab. Your right that it was definitely an upset.

BarryWashington wrote:

flatnoseflynn wrote:Benn vs mcclellan......Benn was supposed to get his ass kicked that night but showed the yanks the way

You mean if there was any other referee that was competent in that match that Benn doesn't make it out of the first round?

I rewatched this fight for the first time a couple of weeks ago.
Even the British commentators said that the referee helped Benn to survive the first round.
What really struck me about the fight was that McClellan seemed to be asking to be hit all night.
Benn was landing alot of heavy punches swinging in from wide out and McClellan refused to adjust and tried to walk through everything that Benn threw at him. It seemed like he went after Benn to finish off the fight after the first round knockdown and stayed in that zone for the rest of the fight.
Hard fight to watch, anyhow. Honestly, I have always found it much easier to blame the referee than to critisize McClellan.

Fonzo had been in with Pinklon Thomas and tim Witherspoon and although he was stopped by both, he got the experience with big bangers . Ratliff was a fairly highly regarded prospect also due to the fact he was an outstanding amateur.His best win leading up to the Deleon fight was Elijah Tillery who was touted a bit.
Its semantics really. Upset or huge upset.
When Ratliff won I wasnt surprised really. Guys who were around him back then knew he had the ability to do it.

Never mind, I just realized I'm arguing with the genius who thinks Wladimir Klitschko outpoints a prime George Foreman or that England is the best fighting nation. Hahahahahahaha.[/quote]



It was a brillant triumph for an old warrior against all the odds so stands as a massive upset for me, what ever you think went on in the fight Benn Still has great big W on his record so a massive upset ............Thanks for looking at my previous posts .............Have you ever heard of sense of humor, some comments are put for a bit of a giggle obviously worked DD

TBooze wrote:

p4p1 wrote:

BarryWashington wrote: Sure it was huge, but, 42-1 huge? No fuckin' way. Douglas' performances against : Mike Williams, Oliver McCall, Trevor Berbick & Tony Tucker showed that Douglas (when properly prepared & motivated) was a dangerous HW.

but at the time tyson was seen as indestructable there wasnt many places that gave 42 - 1 its stupid odds in a 2 horse race thats for sure

The only reason the odds were made, was because a punter at The Mirage wanted to bet on a Tyson win, thus the book was set up.

The only book that had decent business back in that period in a Tyson fight, was the under/over book.

Exactly.

For me its still Tyson v Douglas and that will take some beating. Hw about Lewis v Rahmann 1 or Norton v All 1, both shocks for my money

Tibiria over Toney would have been one of the biggest if the judges had gotten it right. Instead, it may be the biggest robbery I ever saw.

Two words douglas/tyson

Ali/Norton was HUGE. We all sometimes forget about some like that because of what transpires later on. But I don't think anybody in the world thought Kenny was going to win, and win decisively at that.

Frankie Randall vs the great Julio Cesar Chavez was a huge upset.

Braddock Baer not mentioned? Ay yi yi yi yi

BoxBuzz wrote:Braddock Baer not mentioned? Ay yi yi yi yi

Yep. That one is enormous.

Heres a lesser known:
Tom "The Bomb" Bethea stopping Nino Benvenutti.

Mike Rossman over Galindez.
Jesse Burnett over galindez really shouldn't have been as big as it was. I loved that guy, screwed by his manager and judges alike. But capable of beating just about any of the Light Heavyweights around in one of the divisions Golden eras.

I liked Burnett also. Tough fighter,fought everyone. Gotta little bit of a late start too. I thought he had a stay in prison but I might be wrong about that. Cant find any info. He was a fighters fighter though.

Ramon Ranquello beating Rossman in a non title fight right after Mike beat Galindez was a surprise too.