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I voted Clev by KO BUT I want Tony to clean his clock!

Bellew by K.O. Cleverly is well overated.

Clev by points he is too seasoned and experienced.

MachoMan09 wrote:Regardless my opinion would be the same, Cleverley mid-late stoppage after a brave effort by Bellew.

i think if I were forced to bet, that would be my call too, mate. though, of course, I'll be cheering for Tony. it'll be very interesting to see how well each of them takes the other's best punches.

Are you intimating that the outcome of this poll is affected by the fact that Tony posts here ?
If so, you're wrong.
The one thing about most posters on here is that they stick to their opinions and are not affected by such things.
Equally, I find that most fighters on here are respectful of posters opinions even if it doesn't support their cause.
I believe Cleverley is a rung above Bellew and as such I believe Cleverley will win.
I also think it will be inside the distance.

Nigel1001 wrote:What would your honest opinion be of the upcoming fight against Cleverley?

I think Cleverly wins quite easily.

You?

Personally i don't think Bellew has done anything to deserve a World title shot let alone be in a position to win one and his new trainers seem to have changed his fan friendly exciting knock out or be knocked out style to a much more fundamentally sound but boring one and he definately isn't on Cleverleys level technically so i would say

Cleverley wins by 4th round TKO.

My opinion has always been the same i'd have Clev as heavy favourite expecting him to overwhelm and stop bellew mid to late. However theres no denying bellews punch power and ability to get up and recover very quickly once knocked down; so i wouldnt be that suprised if he sparked clev.

The fact that Bomber post on here means alot of people want him to win (i certainly do), that doesnt mean everyones suddenly forgotten all boxing knowledge.

exittored wrote:

Nigel1001 wrote:What would your honest opinion be of the upcoming fight against Cleverley?

I think Cleverly wins quite easily.

You?

Personally i don't think Bellew has done anything to deserve a World title shot let alone be in a position to win one and his new trainers seem to have changed his fan friendly exciting knock out or be knocked out style to a much more fundamentally sound but boring one and he definately isn't on Cleverleys level technically so i would say

Cleverley wins by 4th round TKO.

I disagree - I should say being British and Commonwealth champion is enough to deserve a title shot against a domestic rival that didnt win the title from a champion.

Froch is talking about letting St George have a crack at him after the ward fight.

We should be applauding the fact that the domestic 1 and 2 ranked fighters are getting in the ring together. People complained when Hatton wouldnt fight witter or calzaghe didnt give Froch a shot.

Nigel1001 wrote:

Counter-puncher wrote:

MachoMan09 wrote:Regardless my opinion would be the same, Cleverley mid-late stoppage after a brave effort by Bellew.

i think if I were forced to bet, that would be my call too, mate. though, of course, I'll be cheering for Tony. it'll be very interesting to see how well each of them takes the other's best punches.

Is bellew that big a puncher? He really looks frail at Lt Heavy.

oh, he can punch. i don't think he gets off with his shots as easily at 175 as he might a weight above against slower fighters, but the one time i saw him in the flesh you could definitely tell his shots were landing with a resounding walloping noise

kingfinn wrote:

exittored wrote:

Nigel1001 wrote:What would your honest opinion be of the upcoming fight against Cleverley?

I think Cleverly wins quite easily.

You?

Personally i don't think Bellew has done anything to deserve a World title shot let alone be in a position to win one and his new trainers seem to have changed his fan friendly exciting knock out or be knocked out style to a much more fundamentally sound but boring one and he definately isn't on Cleverleys level technically so i would say

Cleverley wins by 4th round TKO.

I disagree - I should say being British and Commonwealth champion is enough to deserve a title shot against a domestic rival that didnt win the title from a champion.

Froch is talking about letting St George have a crack at him after the ward fight.

We should be applauding the fact that the domestic 1 and 2 ranked fighters are getting in the ring together. People complained when Hatton wouldnt fight witter or calzaghe didnt give Froch a shot.

Are you serious?

Bellew won his Commonwealth title from this man
http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_ ... &cat=boxer
The worst commonwealth title challenger in history and thats saying something!

As for being the number 2 Light Heavyweight in Britain, thats like saying your the number 2 Ski Jumper in Britain behind Eddie 'The Eagle' Edwards. It's one of the worst divisions domestically we have and beating a Journeyman(even one having his indian summer) like Ovil McKenzie twice dosn't give you the right to challenge for a world Title.

At least Cleverley beat a dangerous unbeaten fighter in Karo Murat to become the interim champion and was going to fight the champion too before he was rightly stripped.

god knows...but im too biased towards bomber to take part in the poll!

If Tony Bellew didn`t post on this site, then we would probably all be slagging off the match-up.

That isn`t to say he doesn`t have a reasonable chance of the upset .. he is heavy handed and game enough.
But I think Nathan Cleverly will be too skilled for Bellew. Cleverly should be the clear favourite to win wide on points.

Tonys fights with Ovill McKenzie kinda showed two versions of Bellew ... both were very poor and neither version would appear in Cleverlys league.

yid14 wrote:Bellew by K.O. Cleverly is well overated.

And your rating of Tony's ability to KO Clev is based on what exactly?

The Dark Destroyer wrote:

tonyevs wrote:If Tony Bellew didn`t post on this site, then we would probably all be slagging off the match-up.

That isn`t to say he doesn`t have a reasonable chance of the upset .. he is heavy handed and game enough.
But I think Nathan Cleverly will be too skilled for Bellew. Cleverly should be the clear favourite to win wide on points.

Tonys fights with Ovill McKenzie kinda showed two versions of Bellew ... both were very poor and neither version would appear in Cleverlys league.

The second was a boring fight but it didn't show Bellew to be poor, he won the fight at a canter and never had to up the pace to win it, if that's anyone's fault it's McKenzie's.

... yep. My mistake ... I remember the fans and even commentators saying how good he looked that night ..

Deserter wrote:

yid14 wrote:Bellew by K.O. Cleverly is well overated.

And your rating of Tony's ability to KO Clev is based on what exactly?

I think Cleverly gets cocky sometimes and leaves himself open, I think Bellew will catch him and stop him.
Look mate we've all got different opinions, I hope this is why you come on here to read other peoples. I didn't say I thought Bellew was better than Cleverly because that wasn't the question. Put it this way by the looks of the poll I'll either gain some points on the boxrec october prediction league or fall behind everybody on this fight.

yid14 wrote:

Deserter wrote:

yid14 wrote:Bellew by K.O. Cleverly is well overated.

And your rating of Tony's ability to KO Clev is based on what exactly?

I think Cleverly gets cocky sometimes and leaves himself open, I think Bellew will catch him and stop him.
Look mate we've all got different opinions, I hope this is why you come on here to read other peoples. I didn't say I thought Bellew was better than Cleverly because that wasn't the question. Put it this way by the looks of the poll I'll either gain some points on the boxrec october prediction league or fall behind everybody on this fight.

Don't worry, I completely understand where you're coming from, it's just that I think while a case can be made for Cleverly being over-rated, I think that's potentially even more the case with Bomber. I think he's a class act on the forum, but if you look at his track record to date there's nothing there to suggest he's mixed at the level Cleverly has and just as pertinently there's nothing to really support the view he's the banger he was in the ams.

lets be honest i expect clev to win, he is better schooled and has mixed in better company...but

if he clocks bomber then bomber will get back up, not lie down.......and if bomber clocks cleverley, and im sure he will...then its gonna be very very interesting. i hope bomber catches him early. both fellas could taste canvas in this one!!!

Nigel1001 wrote:

exittored wrote: Bellew won his Commonwealth title from this man
http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_ ... &cat=boxer
The worst commonwealth title challenger in history and thats saying something!

Wow, I forgot about that.

he was only 5ft 6ins tall lol

Nigel1001 wrote:Looks like Bellew just has a punchrs chance. I am sure Clev will take less risks but still be too much for Bellew.

I like Bellew's boxing style and i like the way he does go for it in fights, the thing for me that lets him down is the way he is in press conference's/in front of the camera,s and the way he lets himself down in slagging matches, he should just do his talking in the ring because he does have the talent

exittored wrote:

kingfinn wrote:

exittored wrote: Personally i don't think Bellew has done anything to deserve a World title shot let alone be in a position to win one and his new trainers seem to have changed his fan friendly exciting knock out or be knocked out style to a much more fundamentally sound but boring one and he definately isn't on Cleverleys level technically so i would say

Cleverley wins by 4th round TKO.

I disagree - I should say being British and Commonwealth champion is enough to deserve a title shot against a domestic rival that didnt win the title from a champion.

Froch is talking about letting St George have a crack at him after the ward fight.

We should be applauding the fact that the domestic 1 and 2 ranked fighters are getting in the ring together. People complained when Hatton wouldnt fight witter or calzaghe didnt give Froch a shot.

Are you serious?

Bellew won his Commonwealth title from this man
http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_ ... &cat=boxer
The worst commonwealth title challenger in history and thats saying something!

As for being the number 2 Light Heavyweight in Britain, thats like saying your the number 2 Ski Jumper in Britain behind Eddie 'The Eagle' Edwards. It's one of the worst divisions domestically we have and beating a Journeyman(even one having his indian summer) like Ovil McKenzie twice dosn't give you the right to challenge for a world Title.

At least Cleverley beat a dangerous unbeaten fighter in Karo Murat to become the interim champion and was going to fight the champion too before he was rightly stripped.

Murats opposition has been poor he hasnt beaten anyone world class as far as im aware. Its not clevs fault he didnt get to fight a genuine title holder but the fact remains he hasnt yet proved himself a geniune world champ and Bellew is british tile holder, common wealth champion, number 2 in the Uk and in the top 15 in the world thats more deserving than alot of fighters that have had a crack at a title in recent times. What domestic match up would you rather see in the LHW division.

kingfinn wrote:

exittored wrote:

kingfinn wrote:
I disagree - I should say being British and Commonwealth champion is enough to deserve a title shot against a domestic rival that didnt win the title from a champion.

Froch is talking about letting St George have a crack at him after the ward fight.

We should be applauding the fact that the domestic 1 and 2 ranked fighters are getting in the ring together. People complained when Hatton wouldnt fight witter or calzaghe didnt give Froch a shot.

Are you serious?

Bellew won his Commonwealth title from this man
http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_ ... &cat=boxer
The worst commonwealth title challenger in history and thats saying something!

As for being the number 2 Light Heavyweight in Britain, thats like saying your the number 2 Ski Jumper in Britain behind Eddie 'The Eagle' Edwards. It's one of the worst divisions domestically we have and beating a Journeyman(even one having his indian summer) like Ovil McKenzie twice dosn't give you the right to challenge for a world Title.

At least Cleverley beat a dangerous unbeaten fighter in Karo Murat to become the interim champion and was going to fight the champion too before he was rightly stripped.

Murats opposition has been poor he hasnt beaten anyone world class as far as im aware. Its not clevs fault he didnt get to fight a genuine title holder but the fact remains he hasnt yet proved himself a geniune world champ and Bellew is british tile holder, common wealth champion, number 2 in the Uk and in the top 15 in the world thats more deserving than alot of fighters that have had a crack at a title in recent times. What domestic match up would you rather see in the LHW division.

Well first your wrong about Karo Murats opposition as he has beaten some decent Light Heavyweights like ex world champions Cristian Sanavia and Gabriel Campillo.

Bellew winning the commonwealth belt was pretty meaningless due to the opponent and even winning the British title has to be set against a pretty average set of british Light Heavyweights at the moment apart from Nathan Cleverley.

Nathan Cleverley is a World champion so needs to fight world class opposition not domestic opposition unless they were world class too which no other British fighter currently is and don't make me laugh that Bellew is in the Top 15 in the WBO rankings, we all know that organisation is a joke and in Warrens pocket.

I would much rather Bellew got another years experience under his belt fighting some good domestic fights with the likes of Tony Quigley and Tony Dodson which would both do well in Liverpool plus Tony Jeffries too and then maybe face a world class guy like Chris Henry, Yordanis Despaigne or Adrian Diaconu and then fight Cleverley as he'll be the better for it as despite some of the negatives i've brought up i do think he could become a world class contender if he isn't rushed too quickly and allowed another year to develop and become a more complete Boxer-puncher which his new trainers seem to want him to be.

cant wait to see this fool got kod

i think bellew will win ! if his on the forum or not it makes no real diffrence, he cant see me he doesnt know me so i can write what ever i like without being bothered what he thinks, my recent success for predicting underdogs has been ok, i had groves over degale, and mitchell over murray, people seem to think cleverly cant be out boxed or out worked, i think your all forgetting what an outstanding amateur bellew was and his will to win is incredible ! good luck to both but i think bellew wins in a close close fight by late stoppage or points !

Nigel1001 wrote:

jessi wrote:i think bellew will win ! if his on the forum or not it makes no real diffrence, he cant see me he doesnt know me so i can write what ever i like without being bothered what he thinks, my recent success for predicting underdogs has been ok, i had groves over degale, and mitchell over murray, people seem to think cleverly cant be out boxed or out worked, i think your all forgetting what an outstanding amateur bellew was and his will to win is incredible ! good luck to both but i think bellew wins in a close close fight by late stoppage or points !

Was BEllEW weighing 175lbs when he was an amatuer? I heard he was a heayweight?

He needs to move up, too frail at lt heavy.

i believe he was heavyweight as an amateur (not the same as the pros remember), but it doesent matter, his a natural cruiser if you ask me but then so is cleverly, i dont think he would be campaigning at light heavy if he dident feel strong !

I think Cleverly will win inside six rounds but I also respect Bellew's power and if the polish lad can have Clev blinking then I have no doubt Bellew can hurt him and probably floor
him.

The danger for me would be if Tony tried to box his way in, I think his best chance is to have a war with Cleverly, I think he may well lose that way as well but
for me its the only way he wins, because with the leather flying there is also a fair chance that Tony connects, Nathan is hardly the most elusive in the world.

Good luck to both men.