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Povetkin for me.

No-one. Povetkin's gone backwards in recent years and doesn't have the size or power to trouble Wlad or Vitali. Hellenius looks Ok but was outboxed by Sam Peter at times, something that would never happen to the K Bros. Haye doesn't have the chin or size to worry Vitali, Fury is a few years off being ready, Price doesn't have the chin, Solis looked like he had the right idea but lacks the conditioning and dedication, then you're left with the old timers like Holy and Rahman. The only person of beating the Klits at the minute is Father Time.

Newport Daz wrote:No-one. Povetkin's gone backwards in recent years and doesn't have the size or power to trouble Wlad or Vitali. Hellenius looks Ok but was outboxed by Sam Peter at times, something that would never happen to the K Bros. Haye doesn't have the chin or size to worry Vitali, Fury is a few years off being ready, Price doesn't have the chin, Solis looked like he had the right idea but lacks the conditioning and dedication, then you're left with the old timers like Holy and Rahman. The only person of beating the Klits at the minute is Father Time.

"No-one" if they keep fighting they will lose, whether or not you call it father time, they will lose.

Jim Simpson

In terms of style, Arreola is the best bet to beat Wlad. But he has a lot of refinements to make.

Povetkin is powerless, just like Adamek.

Ultimately, nobody will beat Vitali. He'll retire with just the 2 losses on his record.

Father time.

Nobody else is good enough to beat them on a ''level'' playing field.

It's a shame they weren't around in the early/mid 90's, competing with the likes of Lewis, Tyson, Holyfield and Bowe - then we'd have seen what they are really made of.

You can only dominate the era in which you are competing, and that's been accomplished with relative ease. I'd rather see them both retire tomorrow than continue for continuing's sake and lose to bums like Arreola.

What makes him a bum? Silly comment.

Karl Jade wrote:What makes him a bum? Silly comment.

"Povetkin is powerless" is a stupid comment. Why don't you take a Povetkin left hook and see how you go.

I don't think any current heavy will beat either of them if im honest

Camcas wrote:I don't think any current heavy will beat either of them if im honest

People used to say that about Tyson, look what happened to him.

Last time I checked the rules of this forum there was nothing that stated that I wasn't allowed to express my opinion....

In my opinion Arreola is a lazy bum, look at the state of him when he's on the scales, around 17st, often more. It was the biggest fight of his life against Klitschko and he looked like he'd trained at McDonalds.

Plus some of his comments about Adamek at various times have been out of order too.

What is it with this forum and certain posters having a hissy fit any time you make a criticism of a fighter?

LeedsLad wrote:Last time I checked the rules of this forum there was nothing that stated that I wasn't allowed to express my opinion....

In my opinion Arreola is a lazy bum, look at the state of him when he's on the scales, around 17st, often more. It was the biggest fight of his life against Klitschko and he looked like he'd trained at McDonalds.

Plus some of his comments about Adamek at various times have been out of order too.

What is it with this forum and certain posters having a hissy fit any time you make a criticism of a fighter?

Are you lookin' at me?

keithmoonhangover wrote:

LeedsLad wrote:Last time I checked the rules of this forum there was nothing that stated that I wasn't allowed to express my opinion....

In my opinion Arreola is a lazy bum, look at the state of him when he's on the scales, around 17st, often more. It was the biggest fight of his life against Klitschko and he looked like he'd trained at McDonalds.

Plus some of his comments about Adamek at various times have been out of order too.

What is it with this forum and certain posters having a hissy fit any time you make a criticism of a fighter?

Are you lookin' at me?

No......

keithmoonhangover wrote:

Camcas wrote:I don't think any current heavy will beat either of them if im honest

People used to say that about Tyson, look what happened to him.

There were better fighters in Tyson era than at the moment, noone has come close to the Klitschko's at the moment and i think they will retire before anyone does

Camcas wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:

Camcas wrote:I don't think any current heavy will beat either of them if im honest

People used to say that about Tyson, look what happened to him.

There were better fighters in Tyson era than at the moment, noone has come close to the Klitschko's at the moment and i think they will retire before anyone does

Did you pick Buster Douglas to beat Tyson then? At odds of 42-1 you must have cleaned up.

Bermaine stiverne has the power to ko anyone he lands on.
The downside is he's a lazy bastard that throws less then 20 punches per round and the ko defeat against king does'nt look good.
Still i'd give him a punchers chance against vlad but he would more than likely get stopped in the mid to later rounds depending on how fat he was at the time.

keithmoonhangover wrote:

Karl Jade wrote:What makes him a bum? Silly comment.

"Povetkin is powerless" is a stupid comment. Why don't you take a Povetkin left hook and see how you go.

Powerless within the context of the top 10-15 HW fighters in the world. That should've been obvious.

LeedsLad wrote:Last time I checked the rules of this forum there was nothing that stated that I wasn't allowed to express my opinion....

In my opinion Arreola is a lazy bum, look at the state of him when he's on the scales, around 17st, often more. It was the biggest fight of his life against Klitschko and he looked like he'd trained at McDonalds.

Plus some of his comments about Adamek at various times have been out of order too.

What is it with this forum and certain posters having a hissy fit any time you make a criticism of a fighter?

He hasn't derogatory against Adamek. All he's said is that he should have beaten him, which is quite right.

He's also lost 20 pounds since the Klitschko fight, and has fought 4 times in 2011.

Lazy bum. Yeah, right.

Am I the only person in the UK (and that includes the recent Boxing News) who realises that when one talks about Wladimir and Vitali Klitschko collectively; it is spelled Klitschkos, not Klitschko's????

It's a plural not a possessive.... Sorry just a personal hate of mine

reggaereggae wrote:Am I the only person in the UK (and that includes the recent Boxing News) who realises that when one talks about Wladimir and Vitali Klitschko collectively; it is spelled Klitschkos, not Klitschko's????

It's a plural not a possessive.... Sorry just a personal hate of mine

Mine is when people talk of them as a collective, it's lazy but forgivable in the division as it is.

''Fighter X can't beat Klitschkos''

As opposed to saying why he can't beat Wlad and why he can't beat Vitali. Though it's almost a given that both of them would beat any of the current division with relative ease.

We saw Haye give it the big ones and run around the ring like a chicken throwing nothing, ending up a clear loser on points. I've got a feeling Vitali would want to get him out of there to prove a point, whereas Wlad was more concerned about merely winning the fight regardless of the outcome.

I think that's part of the reason why some people believe Vitali is the better of the two, despite Wlad being much easier on the eye and technically superb.

keithmoonhangover wrote:

Camcas wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote: People used to say that about Tyson, look what happened to him.

There were better fighters in Tyson era than at the moment, noone has come close to the Klitschko's at the moment and i think they will retire before anyone does

Did you pick Buster Douglas to beat Tyson then? At odds of 42-1 you must have cleaned up.

I did actually DD DD

Along with a round prediction on Benn v Eubank, it has been my biggest (only!?) win at the bookies

This man will be ready to beat either Klitschko a year from now.

LeedsLad wrote:

reggaereggae wrote:Am I the only person in the UK (and that includes the recent Boxing News) who realises that when one talks about Wladimir and Vitali Klitschko collectively; it is spelled Klitschkos, not Klitschko's????

It's a plural not a possessive.... Sorry just a personal hate of mine

Mine is when people talk of them as a collective, it's lazy but forgivable in the division as it is.

''Fighter X can't beat Klitschkos''

As opposed to saying why he can't beat Wlad and why he can't beat Vitali. Though it's almost a given that both of them would beat any of the current division with relative ease.

We saw Haye give it the big ones and run around the ring like a chicken throwing nothing, ending up a clear loser on points. I've got a feeling Vitali would want to get him out of there to prove a point, whereas Wlad was more concerned about merely winning the fight regardless of the outcome.

I think that's part of the reason why some people believe Vitali is the better of the two, despite Wlad being much easier on the eye and technically superb.

Right, it's understandable. As the two brothers are the clear standouts in the division and they will never fight each other.

exittored wrote:This man will be ready to beat either Klitschko a year from now.

When I first saw clips of Mansour on youtube, I thought "Holy sh*t! This guy's good!", but then you read the back story and look at the level of opponent prior to Guinn and you start wondering.

I agree though, you look at the current field and he stands out, somewhat.

charlieb wrote:

exittored wrote:This man will be ready to beat either Klitschko a year from now.

When I first saw clips of Mansour on youtube, I thought "Holy sh*t! This guy's good!", but then you read the back story and look at the level of opponent prior to Guinn and you start wondering.

I agree though, you look at the current field and he stands out, somewhat.

The level of his opponents will get much better over the next year especially once he gets exposure from the major networks like HBO, SHOWTIME and ESPN.

He's probably the only Heavyweight out there who has that absolute hunger and desire to beat the Klitschko's, he's probably training like a beast as i type this and i don't think i could picture the other contenders doing that.

I would recommend to add him on Facebook 'Amir hard core Mansour', he's very friendly and will always reply to any questions plus his recent posts are exactly what you want to hear from a hungry fighter.

Amir Hard Core Mansour:

Watching Klitschko vs Ademek...and I can
see myself knocking Vatali out cold, he keeps
his hands way too low... Soon...very soon!

His jab(vitali's) comes from the waist up...would never be effective against my style...

Listen just like my last match, even HBO execs were telling us to not let A 14 and 0 fighter fight Dominick Guinn who had 37 wins and 22 tko's...ha ha ha, now HBO wants AMIR,,, I take nothing from the Klitschkos...they did the damn thing !!
BUT THERE'S A NEW SHERIF IN TOWN AND HIS NAME IS "AMIR HARDCORE MANSOUR!" who wan test da killaaa! in my jamaican voice !)