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Cleverley - Bellew : Which judge scored the fight 117-112 ??
Posted: 15 Oct 2011, 19:33
by Quixall
Sorry to make a thread about this, but i was wondering which guy scored it 117-112 ??
I just felt it was a ridiculous score card !!
Three rounds apart was the maximum you could go for, anything wider than that is a joke............
I think most people had the fight being very close and i don't think i'm far out in saying that had it been a split decision and a win for Bellew by a round, not many people would have complained. I had Cleverley by a round because i felt he shaded the 11th round and definately took the 12th round and was less ragged than Bellew in those middle rounds, but 117-112 was just way out. I am getting used to some judge getting it completely wrong and i wasn't dissapoined tonight. I just wonder whether someone actually says "wait a minute mate, how the fornicate did you get Cleverley by 5 rounds............"
Great fight though

Re: Cleverley - Bellew : Which judge scored the fight 117-112 ??
Posted: 15 Oct 2011, 19:35
by Camcas
Parris
Re: Cleverley - Bellew : Which judge scored the fight 117-112 ??
Posted: 15 Oct 2011, 19:36
by crusader
Yep, it was Dave Parris (O'Connor had a decent card for once). I had it 115-114 Clev but could see a draw or a slightly wider win for Clev.
Re: Cleverley - Bellew : Which judge scored the fight 117-112 ??
Posted: 15 Oct 2011, 19:39
by Quixall
Camcas wrote:Parris
fornicating hell..............
and they were saying in the commentary box that he should do more world title fights
I'm not sure that referee's are best placed to give a scorecard, because they have other roles within the ring that they are concentrating on. I think it should be three judges at ringside who give the verdicts.
Re: Cleverley - Bellew : Which judge scored the fight 117-112 ??
Posted: 15 Oct 2011, 19:40
by Finn
Quixall wrote:Camcas wrote:Parris
effing hell..............
and they were saying in the commentary box that he should do more world title fights
I'm not sure that referee's are best placed to give a scorecard, because they have other roles within the ring that they are concentrating on. I think it should be three judges at ringside who give the verdicts.
No that was richie davis they were talking about
Parris' cards are always miles off imo.
Re: Cleverley - Bellew : Which judge scored the fight 117-112 ??
Posted: 15 Oct 2011, 19:44
by Quixall
The Dark Destroyer wrote:114-114 for me. A couple of rounds were close so they could go either way. Bellew thought Clev had won it, so I don't think many could argue with the result. Thought both cards that had Clev were wide though.
I can see most people scoring it 115-114 for cleverley, some a draw and a decent minority scoring for bellew, but five rounds is nonsense.
Re: Cleverley - Bellew : Which judge scored the fight 117-112 ??
Posted: 15 Oct 2011, 19:45
by Quixall
kingfinn wrote:Quixall wrote:Camcas wrote:Parris
effing hell..............
and they were saying in the commentary box that he should do more world title fights
I'm not sure that referee's are best placed to give a scorecard, because they have other roles within the ring that they are concentrating on. I think it should be three judges at ringside who give the verdicts.
No that was richie davis they were talking about
Parris' cards are always miles off imo.
Oh sorry, i'm getting mixed up with Parris and davies
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Re: Cleverley - Bellew : Which judge scored the fight 117-112 ??
Posted: 15 Oct 2011, 19:46
by Finn
Quixall wrote:kingfinn wrote:Quixall wrote:
effing hell..............
and they were saying in the commentary box that he should do more world title fights
I'm not sure that referee's are best placed to give a scorecard, because they have other roles within the ring that they are concentrating on. I think it should be three judges at ringside who give the verdicts.
No that was richie davis they were talking about
Parris' cards are always miles off imo.
Oh sorry, i'm getting mixed up with Parris and davies
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thats like confusing obi wan with darth vader

Re: Cleverley - Bellew : Which judge scored the fight 117-112 ??
Posted: 16 Oct 2011, 04:58
by tear up
i had cleve 2 rounds up but hard to watch it on the lap top like great fight was hopein the bomber pulled a good 1 out the bag can only come again after that

Re: Cleverley - Bellew : Which judge scored the fight 117-112 ??
Posted: 16 Oct 2011, 06:22
by hurlock
i thought it could of really gone either way. bellew was winning with the jab clearly scoring :!: i dont know what happened to it for the final 2rds which would of made him a clear winner. also bellew needs to get away from amateur coaches, fast hands being instructed grated on me especially in the last quarter
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Re: Cleverley - Bellew : Which judge scored the fight 117-112 ??
Posted: 16 Oct 2011, 06:33
by Bomber 1
Just for the record, I think I won 6 rounds but with him being champion I thought I needed 8, it was close but not a robbery, I would just live an opportunity to go again but I don't have the power to demand that, I credit Nathan, he is a good champion and a good guy.
I feel I won 6 rounds and I think Parris is a disgrace!
I've watched the fight back 3 times now too ,I'm just devastated :(
Re: Cleverley - Bellew : Which judge scored the fight 117-112 ??
Posted: 16 Oct 2011, 06:38
by Craig14
Massive respect for coming on here the morning after. Doubt you stayed up and watched Dawson/Hopkins but you and Cleverly put them to shame. Unlucky lastnight mate great effort.
Re: Cleverley - Bellew : Which judge scored the fight 117-112 ??
Posted: 16 Oct 2011, 06:49
by Quixall
Bomber 1 wrote:Just for the record, I think I won 6 rounds but with him being champion I thought I needed 8, it was close but not a robbery, I would just live an opportunity to go again but I don't have the power to demand that, I credit Nathan, he is a good champion and a good guy.
I feel I won 6 rounds and I think Parris is a disgrace!
I've watched the fight back 3 times now too ,I'm just devastated :(
I thought it was a great fight Tony and you did yourself proud, no doubt about that. After 10 rounds i thought you were perhaps shading the fight and it was very very close with a lot of people calling it by a round or two at the most. Parris's scorecard was a disgrace, simple as that, the guy must have been watching a different fight. I have a lot of respect for you Tony, you gave it your all and just came up a little short. Yes, your going to feel devastated, but you have proven that you have some good boxing skills and can compete at world level or the fringes of world level depending on how you rate Cleverley. I think you will get a re-match purely based on the excitement of the fight and you deserve a re-match aswell. Respect and Hats off to you Tony

Re: Cleverley - Bellew : Which judge scored the fight 117-112 ??
Posted: 16 Oct 2011, 07:01
by BoxingAnalyst
117-112 is disgusting. I had it 115-114 Cleverly.
Re: Cleverley - Bellew : Which judge scored the fight 117-112 ??
Posted: 16 Oct 2011, 07:04
by Quixall
BoxingAnalyst wrote:117-112 is disgusting. I had it 115-114 Cleverly.
I think most people would say 115-114
I would just like someone to stick a mic in Parris' face and ask him how he got it by 5 rounds !!!!
Re: Cleverley - Bellew : Which judge scored the fight 117-112 ??
Posted: 16 Oct 2011, 07:12
by Dioufy
I had it 115-114, too, to Clev. Great fight.
Re: Cleverley - Bellew : Which judge scored the fight 117-112 ??
Posted: 16 Oct 2011, 07:16
by apophenic
dodgy dave parris...
i had it as a draw...
gutted for ya bomber....you're a credit to the sport mate.

Re: Cleverley - Bellew : Which judge scored the fight 117-112 ??
Posted: 16 Oct 2011, 07:30
by Floatlikeabutterfly
Bomber 1 wrote:Just for the record, I think I won 6 rounds but with him being champion I thought I needed 8, it was close but not a robbery, I would just live an opportunity to go again but I don't have the power to demand that, I credit Nathan, he is a good champion and a good guy.
I feel I won 6 rounds and I think Parris is a disgrace!
I've watched the fight back 3 times now too ,I'm just devastated :(
I know your gutted at the min Tony but you did yourself and fans proud last, very close fight, i thought it could of gone either way, thought Clev won that last round and thought that might of nicked it for him, no way did he win by 5. Tony get Frank to get you back on at the Echo the atmosphere was boss, and I think you`ll have even more fans after that, onwards and upwards Tony
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Re: Cleverley - Bellew : Which judge scored the fight 117-112 ??
Posted: 17 Oct 2011, 09:35
by ryanst1982
Totally agree fight was a lot closer than 117-112, I had clev winning by 1 round. Well done Tony, il be following your career now as I was more impressed than I thought id be. Great performance.
Re: Cleverley - Bellew : Which judge scored the fight 117-112 ??
Posted: 17 Oct 2011, 11:47
by crusader
Even when the competitivness of some of the rounds is taken into consideration, I can't see how Tony won fewer than 4 rounds overall. I don't therefore agree with the posters who believe that Parris' scorecard was feasible.
Re: Cleverley - Bellew : Which judge scored the fight 117-112 ??
Posted: 17 Oct 2011, 11:58
by Realistic
If Parris saw NC land the better punches then he would give the closer rounds to him, simple really
Re: Cleverley - Bellew : Which judge scored the fight 117-112 ??
Posted: 17 Oct 2011, 12:41
by allahsnackbar
I think Bellew proved himself as the second best in Britain and a definite challenger at european and world levels.
I think he could give anyone a good fight.
Re: Cleverley - Bellew : Which judge scored the fight 117-112 ??
Posted: 17 Oct 2011, 15:30
by ryanst1982
Realistic wrote:If Parris saw NC land the better punches then he would give the closer rounds to him, simple really
What an obvious post. We all know that, the problem is how did he see NC land so many better punches. Did you? I certainly didn't and I have heard noone agree that NC won this by 5 rounds. So that'd where the shock and annoyance comes from. Simple really.