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The Woods-Johnson rematch: who wins?

Posted: 25 Jan 2004, 19:03
by bennie
Clinton Woods faces Glencoffe Johnson again for the vacant IBF light-heavyweight title on February 6 in Sheffield. Their last fight ended in a controversial draw in November, with many feeling Johnson was robbed (controversial decisions in boxing, never!). But Johnson turned 35 last month, and the Woods fight was his 50th in a long, hard and illustrious career.
When will that start to show?
Woods claims he hurt his left hand in their first fight, which prevented him fighting full out (we possibly have to take that with a pinch of salt). But he's the younger man at 31, and enjoys hometown advantage again of course.
So who wins?

Posted: 26 Jan 2004, 07:48
by stujones
For me, there shouldn't be a rematch Glencoffe won quite clearly. I think he's got to be a favourite going in this time. I believe Woods can win this one, but he's got to be aggressive, he's got to be first. I don't think Glencoffe is half the fighter on the back foot, likewise I don't think Woods is a world class back foot fighter.

If its the Clinton with the "never say die" attitude we saw against Ashley, Klemensen and for a few rounds against Woods. Then I think he can win. If Woods thinks he can outbox and outjab Johnson - then this time Glencoffe will get the decision he deserved last time.

So, in essence, for me it's entirely down to Woods. However, I just have the feeling that he believes he can outbox him and will make a costly tactical mistake. Costing him the contest on points.

I don't think a loss to Johnson will be the end of Woods' world title aspirations. I honestly believe that Johnson (when given the proper prep time) would be more than a match for Tarver, so I don't think we should all go "Woods is overated" whatever the outcome of the next fight.

Posted: 26 Jan 2004, 07:55
by MightyWarrior
Hard to be sure as both are knocking on a bit these days, but I reckon the more agressive Johnson beats Woods over 12....again. But will he get the decison??

Posted: 26 Jan 2004, 08:01
by Kilburn
Well Buncey and Woodhall seem to think it'll be totally different next time, not ever so sure why. Woods while tough as nails has never really had a great engine and he was simply out worked last time because of that.

Is our Clint going control Johnson behind the jab this time? I'll believe it when I see it. Good luck to the lad though, it's a nice fight to look forward to.

Posted: 26 Jan 2004, 09:30
by bennie
Bookies are totally split. It's about 11/10 on Johnson and 11/8 Woods.

Posted: 26 Jan 2004, 10:00
by jameswilson
Woods for me should he win itll be another World Champ coming out of Britain. Id like to see him fight the Italian guy who is WBA champ as well later this year.

Posted: 26 Jan 2004, 12:41
by shakermaker
I'm edging towards Woods and might have a flutter. I can't see Glencoffe coming out with the same ferocity as last time (I had winning by around 3 rounds). Woods needs to grab this chance with both hands because he's lucky he got a second shot at a proper world title after nearing throwing it away last time out.

Posted: 26 Jan 2004, 12:41
by bennie
But did Woods get as close as he's ever going to get last time?
This really is a pick 'em fight. I haven't got any idea with this one (we all know who's going to win most fights, or certainly have a fair idea, but this one is tough).

Posted: 26 Jan 2004, 12:50
by Kilburn
shakermaker wrote:I can't see Glencoffe coming out with the same ferocity as last time
Why not? That's what Johnson is all about. And it's not like he had to absorb terrible punishment over the 12 rounds against Woods.

Expect Johnson to be just as good again, it's about whether Clinton can improve on his performance. Many are confident he will, I'm not so sure he can but I'll be cheering him all the way regardless cause he's such a nice bloke.

Posted: 26 Jan 2004, 12:52
by bennie
Good call, Dan.

Posted: 26 Jan 2004, 13:00
by shakermaker
my earlier point not explained fully/well was that I expect Woods to deal with it (the pressure) better so that Glencoffe isn't as effective plus the first fight wasn't the first time he'd been stiffed recently and once again he has to get his body into the kind of shape that can sustain a frantic pace for 12 rounds knowing full well he might not get the decision again like last time. Will he be as committed and dedicated as he was last time out? I hope he is but it must be hard for a man at his age to come so close and seem always short changed.

Woods has got two options IMO

1) Box and move and use that jab of his to rack up enough points

or

2)meet fire with fire

I think he'll have plans to do 1 but get dragged into how the first fight went and then its in the hands of the judges. If he has such a slow start as he did in the first fight he deserves a good talking to!!!

Posted: 26 Jan 2004, 13:16
by Kilburn
It could just be that Johnson is a better fighter. Woods it seems can match him for toughness but not athleticism. That's what set them apart before and could well do again.

I'm having difficulty believing in the confidence coming from the Woods camp. I hope I'm proven wrong.

Posted: 26 Jan 2004, 13:19
by stujones
shakermaker wrote:
2)meet fire with fire
:D This is what's Woods has to do. He simply isn't quick enough at this level to outbox them. I'm sure even an aging Ashley would have beaten him if Woods didn't fight ala Collins in the rematch with Eubank. Whether Woods likes it or not, this is his best way of fighting - and he showed that when Johnson is on the back foot he's beatable.

The same I'll be stating for the other future geniune world title fight heading to these shoares.

Posted: 26 Jan 2004, 13:31
by shakermaker
if he does pick option 2 we're in for one hell of a fight :D

Posted: 26 Jan 2004, 14:19
by Hardhitters11
Looking forward to this one and will definately being predicting a win for Johnson..

HH