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One last time: the Highly Official Come on JMM Megathread 2!

Posted: 11 Nov 2011, 07:20
by Datsue
He's old. He's balding. He drinks his own piss. But there, the similarities with my good self end, because umpteen-time, three-weight world champion, Juan Manuel Márquez has served the sport dutifully for years, covering himself in glory (&, possibly, urine) whilst seeing off an improbable list of the world's best feather/lightweights.

At a time in life when most lower weight champs are taking beatings & racking up "RTD by" losses, Márquez has been savaging much younger blokes & collecting titles. An ill-advised step up against Pretty Boy Floyd aside (JMM's never looked good chasing down boxers), his only loss in about a thousand years is versus Pacquiao at super-feather, & before that the controversy-tinged fight with Chris John (which I've never been able to stay awake long enough to score).

Now, comes the final challenge. After their last encounter, you couldn't split PacMan & JMM with a micrometer. They hammered each other to an almost complete standstill, Pac-Man's early against-the-run-of-play knockdown & sledgehammer left hand in the tenth eking out a razor-thin victory of one point on the collected judge's cards. &, in the manner of those who bleat about the point-scoring in the first round of the first fight, the judge who made Pac the winner the second time gave the last round of the second fight to PacMan, who spent three minutes walking on to straight right hands & looking confused. Ho-hum.

This followed an 8th round where JMM's bodyshots seemed to be about to make him cry & indeed the second, where a 1-2-3 had Manny's legs doing a funny little dance the likes of which I have never seen anyone else come close to making him do.

However, since then Pac's looked, if you'll excuse the hyperbole, like a different fighter. Perhaps because he's fighting bigger dudes whose feet are encased in concrete, ever since this fight he's looked like greased lightning with a side order of nuclear devastation, against DLH, Cotto, Margarito, Hatton, Mosley, Clottey & Diaz. Two of those he's blasted clean out, two of those he's battered into submission. The rest he's zoomed around beating up like a mustachioed blur. He's appeared more versatile, more adaptable, more like someone's replaced his reflexes & nervous system with that formerly belonging to some sort of robot squirrel ninja (ta, C-P!).

He is the deserved favourite, as JMM has been eating left hands by guys who'd struggle to hit Manny with a handful of gravel. More & more Marquez has been punished & pushed to the wall, more & more he's had to grind out results using physical strength & will, as the timing fades & the combinations do not flow so freely. Never perfect in defence, JMM seems to now take heavy shots early as he gets warmed up; he tries to parry or slip, but there's a nanosecond between concept & execution, & he gets nailed so clean. Márquez has slowed so much that during the last few rounds of his points win over Diaz (in the rematch), even though his opponent wasn't putting on any pressure, his legs had that unsteady look of a guy who has gone to the well one too many times.

So, realistically even I cannot make a case for him. Despite his obsession with Manny (almost comically Herzog-like; in fact if Klaus Kinski wasn't dead & blond & German then I think he'd be ideal to play JMM in the man's biopic), I think the flesh is going to be too weak for him to get anything other than a career-high payday. He'll probably rattle Manny's cage again once or twice, but the shots that he recovered from & the danger he fought through four (& indeed seven) years ago will this time be too much, & the inexorable PacMan will move on.

But, one last time, I pay tribute to my favourite counter-punching Mexican, Juan Manuel Márquez: the man, the skills, the heart & the intricate facial hair.


Reasons to love JMM (by Me, 32 2/3):

1) Ever seen anyone make Manny's legs go like this? Image No. Didn't think so.

2) Textbook punching. Literally, like a demonstration of balance & poise. He looks like someone showing you how to fight:

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3) Nuts as big as beach balls. He's actually been decked a shedload, to my knowledge (3 x in the first PacMan fight, once in the second, once against Katsidis, once against Floyd, twice against Norwood, once against Barrera (not counted)), but no-one compares him with Wlad or uses him as an example of a shaky chin. Why? The Larry Holmes defence: if you deck me & I get up & beat the shite out of you, it makes me look better than you.

Image (How I envisage things ending up Saturday night).

4) Richard "The Secret" Williams.

5) An underrated, cruel puncher who gets every ounce of bodyweight & torque on his shots. No-one else has stopped Joel Casamayor, fer instance. & as I said above, no-one else has made Manny's legs do a little dance.

6) He has vile taste in blazers:

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7) The most inventive combinations this side of an Enigma code-breaking machine.

8) Got to admire a dreamer, who despite events wrecking his plans again & again, just keeps on keeping on, denying consensus reality, borne along on a tide of hubris! Right? Right...?

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So, there you have it. I acknowledge reality & the transience of our glory days, but I shall be wearing a sombrero (possibly), waving a rainbow flag & screaming "VIVA MEXICO!" in the early hours of Sunday morning. & when I've finished doing that, I'm gonna watch my favourite fighter, maybe for the last time.

WAR JMM!

Re: One last time: the Highly Official Come on JMM Megathread 2!

Posted: 11 Nov 2011, 08:02
by Lenny
:bow:

Re: One last time: the Highly Official Come on JMM Megathread 2!

Posted: 11 Nov 2011, 08:18
by Counter-puncher
damn, wrote a very long post which got lost, showing how i explained to my mate Jonny last night the essence of manlove.

basically, the essence of it was, if i was in Vegas and ran into JMM in the toilets, once i'd got the multilingual 'I love you's/ aaaarrrgh you're great but I can't speak Spanish, will Russian, Italian or Punjabi do??' out of the way, if he took that the wrong way and asked me to suck his cock...

not only would i hesitate before saying no, I would feel a smidgeon of genuine regret that I'm not gay. 'cos, like, if you were gay, how cool would it be to suck JMM's cock?

that is manlove.

no matter what pressure he's under, he never holds, never runs, never sticks the earmuffs on.

god I love him, in a sort of almost-gay-but-not-quite sort of way.

that is all. :TU:

Re: One last time: the Highly Official Come on JMM Megathread 2!

Posted: 11 Nov 2011, 08:29
by Lenny
Counter-puncher wrote:damn, wrote a very long post which got lost, showing how i explained to my mate Jonny last night the essence of manlove.

basically, the essence of it was, if i was in Vegas and ran into JMM in the toilets, once i'd got the multilingual 'I love you's/ aaaarrrgh you're great but I can't speak Spanish, will Russian, Italian or Punjabi do??' out of the way, if he took that the wrong way and asked me to suck his cock...

not only would i hesitate before saying no, I would feel a smidgeon of genuine regret that I'm not gay. 'cos, like, if you were gay, how cool would it be to suck JMM's cock?

that is manlove.

no matter what pressure he's under, he never holds, never runs, never sticks the earmuffs on.

god I love him, in a sort of almost-gay-but-not-quite sort of way.

that is all. :TU:
(Thinks about it...)

:bow:

Re: One last time: the Highly Official Come on JMM Megathread 2!

Posted: 11 Nov 2011, 08:33
by Captain Hook
Amen to that....I'm rooting for him

Re: One last time: the Highly Official Come on JMM Megathread 2!

Posted: 11 Nov 2011, 08:41
by Datsue
Counter-puncher wrote:damn, wrote a very long post which got lost, showing how i explained to my mate Jonny last night the essence of manlove.

basically, the essence of it was, if i was in Vegas and ran into JMM in the toilets, once i'd got the multilingual 'I love you's/ aaaarrrgh you're great but I can't speak Spanish, will Russian, Italian or Punjabi do??' out of the way, if he took that the wrong way and asked me to suck his cock...

not only would i hesitate before saying no, I would feel a smidgeon of genuine regret that I'm not gay. 'cos, like, if you were gay, how cool would it be to suck JMM's cock?

that is manlove.

god I love him, in a sort of almost-gay-but-not-quite sort of way.

that is all. :TU:

Yep. He excites my man-love glands in a distinctly distressing way.
no matter what pressure he's under, he never holds, never runs, never sticks the earmuffs on.
You know, that's a bloody good point. You hit him, he wants to hurt you. Lost amongst all the "JMM is boring" stuff that tossers like to spout is the fact that he's double-plus nasty, a genuinely mean little fvcker & a very hard man.

As glittermonkey would (did, in fact) say: "What a fighter that man is".

Here's to you, Senor Márquez!

:bag: :bow:
King Geedorah wrote:It would be great if he won. I’m tired enough to think he can do it at the minute and despite vowing not to stay up late for fights two weeks in a row I’m already planning my 5am strategy. A win for Marquez is a win for boxing


Terry, does the lessening of the Pac-Money megafight cheer you up then? Not arguing, would just like to hear your take on it... I'm assuming you mean 'cos Pac'd lose anyway, & then FMJr would have to fight someone else...?

Re: One last time: the Highly Official Come on JMM Megathread 2!

Posted: 11 Nov 2011, 08:54
by Glyn Leach
Do you promise not to put that bollock shot up again? That upset me greatly for a long time

Re: One last time: the Highly Official Come on JMM Megathread 2!

Posted: 11 Nov 2011, 08:55
by Counter-puncher
Datsue wrote:
Counter-puncher wrote:damn, wrote a very long post which got lost, showing how i explained to my mate Jonny last night the essence of manlove.

basically, the essence of it was, if i was in Vegas and ran into JMM in the toilets, once i'd got the multilingual 'I love you's/ aaaarrrgh you're great but I can't speak Spanish, will Russian, Italian or Punjabi do??' out of the way, if he took that the wrong way and asked me to suck his cock...

not only would i hesitate before saying no, I would feel a smidgeon of genuine regret that I'm not gay. 'cos, like, if you were gay, how cool would it be to suck JMM's cock?

that is manlove.

god I love him, in a sort of almost-gay-but-not-quite sort of way.

that is all. :TU:

Yep. He excites my man-love glands in a distinctly distressing way.
no matter what pressure he's under, he never holds, never runs, never sticks the earmuffs on.
You know, that's a bloody good point. You hit him, he wants to hurt you. Lost amongst all the "JMM is boring" stuff that tossers like to spout is the fact that he's double-plus nasty, a genuinely mean little fvcker & a very hard man.

As glittermonkey would (did, in fact) say: "What a fighter that man is".

Here's to you, Senor Márquez!

:bag: :bow:
King Geedorah wrote:It would be great if he won. I’m tired enough to think he can do it at the minute and despite vowing not to stay up late for fights two weeks in a row I’m already planning my 5am strategy. A win for Marquez is a win for boxing


Terry, does the lessening of the Pac-Money megafight cheer you up then? Not arguing, would just like to hear your take on it... I'm assuming you mean 'cos Pac'd lose anyway, & then FMJr would have to fight someone else...?

also, nobody has EVER done to Pac what JMM did to him in the 8th round of their second go-round.

Re: One last time: the Highly Official Come on JMM Megathread 2!

Posted: 11 Nov 2011, 09:05
by Datsue
Glyn Leach wrote:Do you promise not to put that bollock shot up again? That upset me greatly for a long time

Yes. However, revel & glory in the shot of the salmon check blazer, above. Fair scorched my retinas, that has.
Counter-puncher wrote: also, nobody has EVER done to Pac what JMM did to him in the 8th round of their second go-round.
Yep, those body-shots had him cringing & shying away, not something you see Pacquiao doing every day... Or ever, in fact.

I really have to find something more productive to do with my days off...

Re: One last time: the Highly Official Come on JMM Megathread 2!

Posted: 11 Nov 2011, 09:08
by Final round
A very entertaining ode to the mexican bean counter Datsue, I'm sure he creates a mental audit of punches landed, slipped and recieved whilst scoring the rounds and deciding whether the sum total equals a TKO or points victory.

I'll need to mull over my predication over a warm glass of the golden nectar.

Re: One last time: the Highly Official Come on JMM Megathread 2!

Posted: 11 Nov 2011, 11:10
by 15829
marquez is a true warrior, would love to see him beat manny i thought he won the 2 previous fights but can see manny being to big this time shame its took so long to complete the trilogy



alex dilamagni has done a few rounds with marquez in the build up said hes looking really sharp

Re: One last time: the Highly Official Come on JMM Megathread 2!

Posted: 11 Nov 2011, 12:06
by charlieb
Datsue wrote: Image
Great, great movie...

Re: One last time: the Highly Official Come on JMM Megathread 2!

Posted: 12 Nov 2011, 04:16
by Bennyblanco
:bow:

Let's not forget one of the best named furry lipped trainers in the business Nacho Beristain either

Re: One last time: the Highly Official Come on JMM Megathread 2!

Posted: 12 Nov 2011, 08:50
by goldenears
out in vegas, atmosphere is buzzing here, pacmania, but plenty of JMM fans too, but brand Pacquiao is everywhere, Nike have really gone for it and he really is a superstar now -

my heart says JMM but my head says Manny has just left it long enough for Juan Manuel to slow down enough and him to improve his boxing enough to take this one, which will hurt me to see, although I'd rather it was Pac than anyone else. Floyds the best, but these 2 are my favourites.

Re: One last time: the Highly Official Come on JMM Megathread 2!

Posted: 12 Nov 2011, 13:13
by Datsue
goldenears wrote:out in vegas, atmosphere is buzzing here, pacmania, but plenty of JMM fans too, but brand Pacquiao is everywhere, Nike have really gone for it and he really is a superstar now -

my heart says JMM but my head says Manny has just left it long enough for Juan Manuel to slow down enough and him to improve his boxing enough to take this one, which will hurt me to see, although I'd rather it was Pac than anyone else. Floyds the best, but these 2 are my favourites.

:TU:

Enjoy it mush, wish I was there.

@ charlieb: Yes, it is a good film, isn't it? Am I the only one who can see parallels between Herzog's collection of deranged dreamers taking it one step too far & JMM's obsessive quest to beat Pac-Man? I mean, he only fought Floyd to show Manny up. That's dedication for you. Although I admit to my knowledge he's yet to attempt to get a boat dragged across South America in order to bring the wonder of opera to the natives.

WAR JMM!

Re: One last time: the Highly Official Come on JMM Megathread 2!

Posted: 12 Nov 2011, 14:27
by Emmseegee
A mate of mine is in the canary islands on holiday and is wondering if there is anywhere he would be able to watch the pac v marq fight tonight.
He conveniently has a laptop and wifi connection and access to boxrec private mail.
Hes also wondering what time the ringwalk will be.....
Help him out guys!!

sent from a pool bar in fuerteventura. :TU:

Re: One last time: the Highly Official Come on JMM Megathread 2!

Posted: 12 Nov 2011, 14:58
by TerribleTerry
Great thread Datsue. :bow:

Another longtime JMM fan checking in.

If you can't appreciate the Mexicans brilliance then I am not sure you can class yourself as boxing fan - he has got it all in spades..

Re: One last time: the Highly Official Come on JMM Megathread 2!

Posted: 12 Nov 2011, 15:25
by LeedsLad
I'm on the Marquez train big time.

He and Pac are my two favourite fighters, I've been calling for this fight since the last bell went in 2008.

Can't wait.

Re: One last time: the Highly Official Come on JMM Megathread 2!

Posted: 12 Nov 2011, 15:35
by Datsue
Good to have you aboard the bandwagon lads!

I have to admit, I am so fvcking nervous my nuts have ascended into my ribcage. I may have to go & get twatted just to kill the butterflies...

Re: One last time: the Highly Official Come on JMM Megathread 2!

Posted: 12 Nov 2011, 16:22
by Tomasino
King Geedorah wrote:Just had a Bailey's coffee whilst watching 24/7. Vowed not to stay up late. Already halfway to breaking that pledge.


I'm the same, had a fallout with mrs about staying up and ruining Sunday afternoons for her. I've just rewatched JMM beating Manny in the first two fights. I really hope JMM wins this. It's definitely better for boxing in general IMO.

Roll on 5am!

Re: One last time: the Highly Official Come on JMM Megathread 2!

Posted: 12 Nov 2011, 16:24
by Tomasino
LeedsLad wrote:I'm on the Marquez train big time.

He and Pac are my two favourite fighters, I've been calling for this fight since the last bell went in 2008.

Can't wait.

So has Marquez! Can't wait. :!:

Re: One last time: the Highly Official Come on JMM Megathread 2!

Posted: 12 Nov 2011, 16:46
by Fatsam
Great post, first time i saw marquez i was in awe, i couldn't believe the guy who beat naz was being outboxed.

Re: One last time: the Highly Official Come on JMM Megathread 2!

Posted: 12 Nov 2011, 17:01
by JDC
:yay: :bow:

Re: One last time: the Highly Official Come on JMM Megathread 2!

Posted: 12 Nov 2011, 17:03
by Final round
Question;


Which outcome would bring a fight with Mayweather and Pacquiao closer.

Re: One last time: the Highly Official Come on JMM Megathread 2!

Posted: 12 Nov 2011, 17:05
by Dioufy
I have ruled out JMM so much in this fight that he is destined to prove me wrong.

JMM MD.

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