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Hopefully this is the END of primetime

Posted: 11 Nov 2011, 11:17
by Boxing Addict
Brilliant that SKY have got Khan back

Also I reckon SKY did this to make up with goldenboy as well

end of primetime and £15 ppvs!!!!!!!!!!!

hd and on normal sky brilliant

Re: Hopefully this is the END of primetime

Posted: 11 Nov 2011, 11:22
by JDC
Duno. I think ch5 boxing has been created as a platform for Primetime. I'm sure Fury will be tested on there a some point in the future (hopefully it flops and he goes back onto 5 or moves onto Sky)

I don't understand Primetime, did they ever ask permission to sub-let Skys own boxoffice service?

Re: Hopefully this is the END of primetime

Posted: 11 Nov 2011, 11:55
by whiskey
JDC wrote:
I don't understand Primetime, did they ever ask permission to sub-let Skys own boxoffice service?
im quite clued up on most stuff, but im not sure i understand that question. Explain it a bit more and i might answer it for you.

Re: Hopefully this is the END of primetime

Posted: 11 Nov 2011, 11:56
by jtourettes
Boxing Addict wrote:Brilliant that SKY have got Khan back

Also I reckon SKY did this to make up with goldenboy as well

end of primetime and £15 ppvs!!!!!!!!!!!

hd and on normal sky brilliant
Not so sure Sky did it to make up with GB but more a case of team Khan and GBP realising that next to one is going to pay for that pisspoor excuse of a channel. Did they ever release the Khan - Judah numbers?

Re: Hopefully this is the END of primetime

Posted: 11 Nov 2011, 11:59
by JDC
G0mez wrote:
JDC wrote:
I don't understand Primetime, did they ever ask permission to sub-let Skys own boxoffice service?
im quite clued up on most stuff, but im not sure i understand that question. Explain it a bit more and i might answer it for you.
I mean with all the registry and activation stuff, as oppose to the one click added to your bill Boxoffice model. It may have affected cashflow a little and Sky would have taken a cut, but I think it would have been much more effective in getting the customers in.

Re: Hopefully this is the END of primetime

Posted: 11 Nov 2011, 12:21
by whiskey
JDC wrote:
G0mez wrote:
JDC wrote:
I don't understand Primetime, did they ever ask permission to sub-let Skys own boxoffice service?
im quite clued up on most stuff, but im not sure i understand that question. Explain it a bit more and i might answer it for you.
I mean with all the registry and activation stuff, as oppose to the one click added to your bill Boxoffice model. It may have affected cashflow a little and Sky would have taken a cut, but I think it would have been much more effective in getting the customers in.
The Sky box office interface is for Sky channels.

Third party channels (non-sky) require remote activation. There are two types, the inferior method which involves a telephone line being connected and their manually ping your box upon payment through a call centre.

Or the more expensive option for companies is payment through your handset, which sky offer them but at a cost. But you still need your details setting up in the first instance for this means took work. Sky normally charge money to companies for that part too, which is in turn passed on to you.

This is because when you buy a Sky show, it gets added to your monthly bill. Wheras when you buy say a Primetime show the money goes off your card.

Re: Hopefully this is the END of primetime

Posted: 11 Nov 2011, 12:27
by JDC
G0mez wrote:
JDC wrote:
G0mez wrote: im quite clued up on most stuff, but im not sure i understand that question. Explain it a bit more and i might answer it for you.
I mean with all the registry and activation stuff, as oppose to the one click added to your bill Boxoffice model. It may have affected cashflow a little and Sky would have taken a cut, but I think it would have been much more effective in getting the customers in.
The Sky box office interface is for Sky channels.

Third party channels (non-sky) require remote activation. There are two types, the inferior method which involves a telephone line being connected and their manually ping your box upon payment through a call centre.

Or the more expensive option for companies is payment through your handset, which sky offer them but at a cost. But you still need your details setting up in the first instance for this means took work. Sky normally charge money to companies for that part too, which is in turn passed on to you.

This is because when you buy a Sky show, it gets added to your monthly bill. Wheras when you buy say a Primetime show the money goes off your card.
:TU:

So they had the option, but chose the less costly version. Does this meen that Sky aren't prepared to collect payment for channels or that they never asked?

Would it monopolystic for them to do this?

Or would they be taking responsiblity for the channel?

As sky already have details it would seem logical

Re: Hopefully this is the END of primetime

Posted: 11 Nov 2011, 15:54
by dewipowell
Will Khan be on Box Office?

If not, am I being cynical or could it be that Sky can only afford to have Khan since FW and his fighters have left for allegedly? If FW had stayed then would there be enough money to cover Khan's pay too?

Re: Hopefully this is the END of primetime

Posted: 12 Nov 2011, 16:38
by ThereByTheGrace
dewipowell wrote:Will Khan be on Box Office?

If not, am I being cynical or could it be that Sky can only afford to have Khan since FW and his fighters have left for Allegedly channel? If FW had stayed then would there be enough money to cover Khan's pay too?
I think you are right with the funds being freed up - in saying that I would rather watch Khan's next 3 fights than ANY of Allegedly's stable.

Re: Hopefully this is the END of primetime

Posted: 12 Nov 2011, 16:39
by steve689
Even young George Carmen? :o

Re: Hopefully this is the END of primetime

Posted: 12 Nov 2011, 16:45
by LeedsLad
Sky probably have a fair hole in their budget with them not having to bankroll the deals for the 2008 amateurs.

Hopefully they don't make the same mistake next year, though I doubt it.

These days an Olympic gold medallist is no better a bet to become a top professional than a former Asda till boy who started boxing for a laugh, the ams have changed that much, and not for the better.

Re: Hopefully this is the END of primetime

Posted: 12 Nov 2011, 16:49
by ThereByTheGrace
LeedsLad wrote:Sky probably have a fair hole in their budget with them not having to bankroll the deals for the 2008 amateurs.

Hopefully they don't make the same mistake next year, though I doubt it.

These days an Olympic gold medallist is no better a bet to become a top professional than a former Asda till boy who started boxing for a laugh, the ams have changed that much, and not for the better.
Agreed!

Re: Hopefully this is the END of primetime

Posted: 12 Nov 2011, 16:57
by dondada
LeedsLad wrote:Sky probably have a fair hole in their budget with them not having to bankroll the deals for the 2008 amateurs.

Hopefully they don't make the same mistake next year, though I doubt it.
I don't think Sky were bankrolling them mate.

That's up to the promoter. Sky will pay the promoter an agreed fee...and it wouldn't be anywhere near enough (I suspect) to cover big money agreements for novices.

Re: Hopefully this is the END of primetime

Posted: 12 Nov 2011, 17:02
by Glyn Leach
ThereByTheGrace wrote:
LeedsLad wrote:Sky probably have a fair hole in their budget with them not having to bankroll the deals for the 2008 amateurs.

Hopefully they don't make the same mistake next year, though I doubt it.

These days an Olympic gold medallist is no better a bet to become a top professional than a former Asda till boy who started boxing for a laugh, the ams have changed that much, and not for the better.
Agreed!
It's the promoter's responsibility to pay the fighters, not Sky's. The current Sky deal sees all the promoters paid the same, believed to be c 100k, per show. This was FW's gripe, that he could not afford to pay star fighters out of that kind of money, hence the Mag 7 type PPVs.

Re: Hopefully this is the END of primetime

Posted: 12 Nov 2011, 17:03
by Glyn Leach
Ow do la lol

Re: Hopefully this is the END of primetime

Posted: 12 Nov 2011, 17:04
by dondada
Glyn Leach wrote:Ow do la lol
:TU:

Re: Hopefully this is the END of primetime

Posted: 12 Nov 2011, 17:06
by leforge
Glyn Leach wrote:
ThereByTheGrace wrote:
LeedsLad wrote:Sky probably have a fair hole in their budget with them not having to bankroll the deals for the 2008 amateurs.

Hopefully they don't make the same mistake next year, though I doubt it.

These days an Olympic gold medallist is no better a bet to become a top professional than a former Asda till boy who started boxing for a laugh, the ams have changed that much, and not for the better.
Agreed!
It's the promoter's responsibility to pay the fighters, not Sky's. The current Sky deal sees all the promoters paid the same, believed to be c 100k, per show. This was FW's gripe, that he could not afford to pay star fighters out of that kind of money, hence the Mag 7 type PPVs.
So how allegedly going to be able to afford to pay more.

So how allegedly going to pay it!

Re: Hopefully this is the END of primetime

Posted: 12 Nov 2011, 17:24
by bfchunk
leforge wrote:
Glyn Leach wrote:
ThereByTheGrace wrote: Agreed!
It's the promoter's responsibility to pay the fighters, not Sky's. The current Sky deal sees all the promoters paid the same, believed to be c 100k, per show. This was FW's gripe, that he could not afford to pay star fighters out of that kind of money, hence the Mag 7 type PPVs.
So how Allegedly Channel going to be able to afford to pay more.

So how Allegedly Channel going to pay it!
Through Kick Dummy's advertising millions!