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On my card, I have these guys 1-1-1. Pacquiao clearly won the first bout, the second was touch-&-go, & the third, IMO, was a definite Marquez win.

Now, I have scored the second fight twice, & had it for Marquez both times. However, each was by a point, so I accept the result. I do not accept yesterday's result.

To me, they are 2-1 Marquez technically by my card, but I can accept the second fight going Pacquiao's way --- so I guess 1-1-1 is fair to me.

You?

I thought Pacquao was a fairly definitive winner of their first fight. At best, I think Marquez scrapped a draw.

Their 2nd fight . .a classic, razor thin scrap in which a close W for either fighter is totally just. I scored it the same as Lederman, Pac by a point.

Last night, I wish to see it again as it seems most had it closer than I did, but as I watched it live I scored it 116-112 Marquez. So 2-1 Pacquao, but 1-1-1 would be fine as well.

I thought marquez was a pretty clear victor in the first fight, but there were enough close rounds and the obvious huge start that I was ok with the draw. 114-111 Marquez for me after many viewings.

The second fight I had 114-113 Pacquiao so I had no issue with the cards.

The third fight was 116-113 Marquez for me, but there was enough tight rounds to justify giving it to Pac, certainly not at 116-112.

2-1 Marquez

2-1 Marquez but okay with 1-1-1.
No way did Pac win 116-112 last Sat. I have a hard time with the 115-113 already.

I didn't score either of the first two fights because I didn't see them live, and I don't score fights of which I already know the result and have read about. I want my scorecard to be totally unbiased. Watching them later, and without scoring them round-by-round, I didn't think either result was unreasonable. (No, "we wuz robbed!" in either.)

Since I saw it live, I scored Saturday's fight and I scored it 116-112 Pacman. However, several of the rounds could have gone either way, and I have no serious issue with those who scored it for Marquez. But even if I had given those close rounds to Marquez, and thus scored him the winner, I would not have termed the decision "a robbery." It was a good close fight; either could have received the nod with no complaint from me.

Marquez won all three IMO.

The giving the first to Pacquiao is fair enough, but the 2nd and 3rd fights show him being taken out of his game and largely being outboxed. Especially the 3rd one, Marquez really did a job on him and deserved the win clearly.

Right up there with Lewis/Holyfield I in terms of rip off decisions in a big fight.

I scored the first fight a draw last time I watched it, but it's been a while. Might have to re-score it. The second fight I had to Marquez by a point, and I'm quite comfortable with that score. This latest one I had to Marquez by two points at the very least.

2-0-1 Marquez.

I had Pacquiao winning the first 2 fights by 1 point each. 113-112 in the 1st bout, meaning I had 7 rounds for Marquez and 5 for Pac, but the 3 knockdowns gave him the margin of victory. Rematch I had 114-113 for Pacquiao, again the knockdown giving him the edge. Will have to wait until the replay this weekend to score the 3rd bout, I'm looking forward to seeing it.

i have it 1-1-1

1 pac
2 draw
3 marquez

Personally, I have Manny 2-1, in the series.

The 1st fight - Huge opening for Pacquiao and though Marquez won a few more rounds than Pacquiao, I just felt Pacquiao edged it, barely. Could not argue with a draw though.

2nd fight - Similiar to the first fight, though again I felt Manny proved a little more forceful and purposeful. I believe Marquez, because of his experience in fight I, was a little more cautious. Manny again, for me. Only just.

3rd fight - Fairly clear win for Marquez, considering the context of their previous fights I and II. I had it 116-112 for Marquez and whilst I don't the fight was all that great, with Marquez constantly in retreat, he did make Pacquiao miss a lot and countered very, very well.

I'm scoring the third fight as "stolen for future profits". Count me as suspicious that certain folks simply did not want to allow the "golden goose" to perish.

Is this an outrageous assertion? Am I alone in my suspicions?

2-1 Pacquiao

1st fight. Pac obviously off to a huge lead, Marquez won rounds 3-7 outboxing Manny, rounds 8-12 were very close and I gave most of them to Pac for his greater aggression. I give it to Pac 115-110 or 114-111.

2nd fight. Razor thin, the knockdown gives Pac the advantage he needs IMO. 114-113 Pac.

3rd fight. I had Marquez winning 115-113, but will watch again.

Funny how the 3rd is the only fight that Pacquiao outlanded Marquez, but also the only fight I think he lost in the trilogy.

raylawpc wrote:I didn't score either of the first two fights because I didn't see them live, and I don't score fights of which I already know the result and have read about. I want my scorecard to be totally unbiased. Watching them later, and without scoring them round-by-round, I didn't think either result was unreasonable. (No, "we wuz robbed!" in either.)

Since I saw it live, I scored Saturday's fight and I scored it 116-112 Pacman. However, several of the rounds could have gone either way, and I have no serious issue with those who scored it for Marquez. But even if I had given those close rounds to Marquez, and thus scored him the winner, I would not have termed the decision "a robbery." It was a good close fight; either could have received the nod with no complaint from me.

You should stop scoring fights altogether.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

raylawpc wrote:I didn't score either of the first two fights because I didn't see them live, and I don't score fights of which I already know the result and have read about. I want my scorecard to be totally unbiased. Watching them later, and without scoring them round-by-round, I didn't think either result was unreasonable. (No, "we wuz robbed!" in either.)

Since I saw it live, I scored Saturday's fight and I scored it 116-112 Pacman. However, several of the rounds could have gone either way, and I have no serious issue with those who scored it for Marquez. But even if I had given those close rounds to Marquez, and thus scored him the winner, I would not have termed the decision "a robbery." It was a good close fight; either could have received the nod with no complaint from me.

You should stop scoring fights altogether.

I'll take your suggestion under advisement, and give it appropriate consideration . . .

1 - pac
2 - marquez
3 - draw

its 1-1-1

How do so many people say they scored the 1st fight a draw. It only turned out to be a draw because one of the official judges scored the 1st round 10-7 because he didn't know you could score any lower than 7 points to a fighter. It was a 10-6 round, and if you scored it that way you should almost always have a winner in the end.

That scoring was irrelevant to me, I had Marquez winning 9 rounds. And I think people get way too bent out of shape over that 10-7 score. It's not like there is much precedence for 3 knockdown rounds that end up with a close scorecard. I can't think of another one.

1.....115-111 pacman....the 10-6 round hurt marquez bad....6-5-1 in rounds to pacman

2.....114-114 draw........pacman had 1 knockdown but i had it 6-5-1 in rounds to marquez

3.....115-114 pacman....watched it on a stream and had it 6-6 in rounds but managed to see the fight on tv and scores 6-5-1 to pacquaio , with pacquaio throwing more ad landing more saw me give the close rounds to him.

the 3rd fight i wouldnt have a problem with either fighter winning 115-113

I'm looking forward to re-watching the third fight this Saturday. Never in my life have so many people who I respect had such distinct scores from me . . while I watched it it seemed a CLEAR MArquez victory, but way too many people who I know are smart boxing people had it closer or Pac winning, so I'm forced to question my steadfast stance. Very interesting . . .

Definitely, Marquez won it. I did think the board would be more unanimous than this.

Goodnight, Irene wrote:Definitely, Marquez won it. I did think the board would be more unanimous than this.

I'm beginning to think pre-fight bias for Pacquiao is playing into it, people don't like to admit they were wrong and will look to make excuses for why they might not be. I also think some of it might be just a need to feel contrarian to the general feelings of outrage and controversy because it's easier in their minds just to ignore it like it doesn't exist than acknowledge it for what it is in it's chaos and uncertainty, people don't like uncertainties.

As for my score, I have had all three fights for Marquez.

113-112 in fight 1
114-113 in fight 2
116-112 in fight 3

dempseyfire wrote:I'm looking forward to re-watching the third fight this Saturday. Never in my life have so many people who I respect had such distinct scores from me . . while I watched it it seemed a CLEAR MArquez victory, but way too many people who I know are smart boxing people had it closer or Pac winning, so I'm forced to question my steadfast stance. Very interesting . . .

Yet you never soul search on your opinion that Holyfield was a weak chinned clown? You scored the fight right, but the fact that you're concerned about this as compared to your other maniacal fantasies is horrifying.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

dempseyfire wrote:I'm looking forward to re-watching the third fight this Saturday. Never in my life have so many people who I respect had such distinct scores from me . . while I watched it it seemed a CLEAR MArquez victory, but way too many people who I know are smart boxing people had it closer or Pac winning, so I'm forced to question my steadfast stance. Very interesting . . .

Yet you never soul search on your opinion that Holyfield was a weak chinned clown? You scored the fight right, but the fact that you're concerned about this as compared to your other maniacal fantasies is horrifying.

You need to get a new hobby. You take this shit w a y too seriously! A lot of rage in there . . .

Yeah, I lay awake at night over dempsey's opinions and your inability to score a fight. Laughing at your own lame jokes is a sign that you take yourself far too seriously.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Yeah, I lay awake at night over dempsey's opinions and your inability to score a fight. Laughing at your own lame jokes is a sign that you take yourself far too seriously.

Actually, I'm laughing at you . . .