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Shumenov calls out Cleverly....
Posted: 14 Nov 2011, 14:09
by dewipowell
Re: Shumenov calls out Cleverly....
Posted: 14 Nov 2011, 14:24
by Yes We Can
Tough but winnable fight, cant see Warren letting it happen though as its relatively low reward either side of the pond.
More likely to see the corpse's of Jeff Lacy & Enzo Mac than this for me...
Re: Shumenov calls out Cleverly....
Posted: 14 Nov 2011, 15:23
by LeedsLad
I'd take it in a heartbeat, but no doubt it'll be a ''can't punch, never been stopped'' opponent for Nathan next unfortunately.
Re: Shumenov calls out Cleverly....
Posted: 14 Nov 2011, 15:32
by leforge
LeedsLad wrote:I'd take it in a heartbeat, but no doubt it'll be a ''can't punch, never been stopped'' opponent for Nathan next unfortunately.
2 Braimah Kamoho (WBO Africa) more like him!
Re: Shumenov calls out Cleverly....
Posted: 16 Nov 2011, 06:09
by macinger
Shumenov has no chance with Cleverly, he "won" the title with a home awfull decision in Las Vegas over spanish Gabriel Campillo, who won Shumenov in Kazhakstan. Beibut is a very poor world champion, but all know who the WBA is...
Re: Shumenov calls out Cleverly....
Posted: 16 Nov 2011, 06:12
by Yes We Can
macinger wrote:Shumenov has no chance with Cleverly, he "won" the title with a home awfull decision in Las Vegas over spanish Gabriel Campillo, who won Shumenov in Kazhakstan. Beibut is a very poor world champion, but all know who the WBA is...
Rose tinted glasses?
Yes Shumenov didnt deserve the win against Campillo, but Cleverly was given a vacant title against a sub standard opponent (not saying he was awful) . Both are untested at the top level and to me its a toss up match with Cleverly as a close favourite, but Shumenov is not worth the reards he brings.
Re: Shumenov calls out Cleverly....
Posted: 16 Nov 2011, 06:57
by crusader
macinger wrote:Shumenov has no chance with Cleverly, he "won" the title with a home awfull decision in Las Vegas over spanish Gabriel Campillo, who won Shumenov in Kazhakstan. Beibut is a very poor world champion, but all know who the WBA is...
Cleverly struggled over several rounds with both Mohamedi and Bellew, and he was rocked by Kuziemski. Shumenov is better than all three of these fighters and while he did struggle with Campilo, he also outclassed Campilo-conqueror Viacheslav Uzelkov, who was ranked in the top ten at the time.
I would favor Clev, but Shumenov DEFINITELY has a chance.
Re: Shumenov calls out Cleverly....
Posted: 16 Nov 2011, 07:19
by Josh1111
However good FW is domestically and getting fighters a world title, he's not good at giving fighters career defining fights and getting big names. I honestly think this is going to become more difficult now he is on allegedly.
How is he going to afford a big name american/canadian (Hopkins, Dawson or Pascal) when he wont have much tv money coming in? If Clev does go on to fight one of these, he will get hardly any share of US pay per view as he FW has very little to offer them in terms of UK tv money
Re: Shumenov calls out Cleverly....
Posted: 17 Nov 2011, 12:09
by Bard of Boxrec
Shumenov would destroy Cleverly. How does anyone give any credit to this latest clueless FW wonder? Cleverley will be carefully lined up for his entire career, until he gets cocky, thinks he's in the same league as Hatton and Calzaghe and leaves Warren seeking 'bigger fights'. That's if he doesn't get stood on his head before he even departs.
Re: Shumenov calls out Cleverly....
Posted: 17 Nov 2011, 15:13
by Bard of Boxrec
Ah, Welsh are you? ok
Re: Shumenov calls out Cleverly....
Posted: 17 Nov 2011, 15:23
by taffytoon
Riddick Blowe wrote:Ah, Welsh are you? ok
Ah racist are you? Ok
Re: Shumenov calls out Cleverly....
Posted: 17 Nov 2011, 15:33
by ThereByTheGrace
Josh1111 wrote:However good FW is domestically and getting fighters a world title, he's not good at giving fighters career defining fights and getting big names. I honestly think this is going to become more difficult now he is on Allegedly channel.
How is he going to afford a big name american/canadian (Hopkins, Dawson or Pascal) when he wont have much tv money coming in? If Clev does go on to fight one of these, he will get hardly any share of US pay per view as he FW has very little to offer them in terms of UK tv money
Spot on - Allegedly is a European level promotor in that his best fighters have to leave him to get to the 'elite' level.
Re: Shumenov calls out Cleverly....
Posted: 17 Nov 2011, 15:40
by Bard of Boxrec
taffytoon wrote:Riddick Blowe wrote:Ah, Welsh are you? ok
Ah racist are you? Ok
Congratulations, you jump to baffling and illogical conclusions
Re: Shumenov calls out Cleverly....
Posted: 17 Nov 2011, 17:03
by taffytoon
Riddick Blowe wrote:taffytoon wrote:Riddick Blowe wrote:Ah, Welsh are you? ok
Ah racist are you? Ok
Congratulations, you jump to baffling and illogical conclusions
You seriously do not see the irony in your post
sad really.
Re: Shumenov calls out Cleverly....
Posted: 17 Nov 2011, 17:32
by LeedsLad
ThereByTheGrace wrote:Josh1111 wrote:However good FW is domestically and getting fighters a world title, he's not good at giving fighters career defining fights and getting big names. I honestly think this is going to become more difficult now he is on Allegedly channel.
How is he going to afford a big name american/canadian (Hopkins, Dawson or Pascal) when he wont have much tv money coming in? If Clev does go on to fight one of these, he will get hardly any share of US pay per view as he FW has very little to offer them in terms of UK tv money
Spot on - Allegedly is a European level promotor in that his best fighters have to leave him to get to the 'elite' level.
It's not that he can't, he prefers not to incase their heads get turned I think.
A lot of fighters are happy to get a world title, rack up the defences and rake in the cash, there aren't many that have left him and gone on to bigger and better things, a fair few have either faded into obscurity or promptly been knocked the f**k out. It's only really Hatton, Calzaghe and Khan in recent times that have succeeded.
Re: Shumenov calls out Cleverly....
Posted: 17 Nov 2011, 17:55
by Bard of Boxrec
taffytoon wrote:Riddick Blowe wrote:taffytoon wrote:
Ah racist are you? Ok
Congratulations, you jump to baffling and illogical conclusions
You seriously do not see the irony in your post
sad really.
I recommend you learn what the word 'irony' means.
anyway, sorry for hurting your feelings about Cleverley
Re: Shumenov calls out Cleverly....
Posted: 17 Nov 2011, 17:58
by freddydoesdallas
Cardiff-Lad1 wrote:Clev is commentating for Allegedly channel tomorrow for Enzo's comeback so be interesting to see what gets discussed!!
Pretty much secures a fight between him & Enzo bar another big knock-out
Re: Shumenov calls out Cleverly....
Posted: 17 Nov 2011, 18:15
by Bard of Boxrec
yes, because I need to be stuck under a rock to think Cleverley sucks
cool argument bro
seriously, some people are going to be upset when cleverley gets stopped by someone a lot worse than Shumenov
Re: Shumenov calls out Cleverly....
Posted: 17 Nov 2011, 18:46
by Bard of Boxrec
I'm not negative towards UK fighters. I'm negative towards FW hype machines with more promotion than substance. i guess we will see how much faith Cleverley's promoter has in him by the quality of his opposition... will he put nathan anywhere near Shumenov? if he doesn't it may speak volumes...allegedly.