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Both had decent speed but not sure how this one turns out. Opinions?

Interesting matchup.

I'd be inclined to lean towards Dokes, but I wouldn't rule out at a Moorer victory.

Moorer was a bit of a beast when he first jumped up to HW, but increasingly became less aggressive as time when on, especially post Foreman.

My pick would be a Dokes on points in close encounter, with Moorer causing him a few problems along the way, maybe even flooring Dokes.

I'd lean towards Moorer, better boxer and stronger puncher.

Gotta go with Moorer

the dokes before he got wrecked by drugs would have taken this one. the dokes who came back in 88-89 loses to the 1991 beast version of moorer but takes the post foreman one.

Moorer seemed to get a bit boring when he was working with George Benton. working on that skill. the version who fought alex stewart and bert cooper was much moorer exciting! with both at their best i lean toward Michael Dokes by close decision.

I'll take Moorer. I thought Weaver beat Dokes in the rematch. He got KO'd by Coetsee. Moorer's only prime defeats were to two all-time great heavies.

I'd pick a peak Dokes to win. Shocked so many are picking Moorer. Who with Dokes's speed and ability did Moorer ever outbox, b/c he sure as hell isn't knocking Dokes out? And please Evander gassed out badly vs Moorer and I scored that fight a draw.

Michael Dokes takes this, only the last year of fighting Dokes loses this matchup.Though his punching ability is overrated, the speed Michael had was no joke, and he'd have Michael Moorer out of their in three rounds in his prime.

dempseyfire wrote:I'd pick a peak Dokes to win. Shocked so many are picking Moorer. Who with Dokes's speed and ability did Moorer ever outbox, b/c he sure as hell isn't knocking Dokes out? And please Evander gassed out badly vs Moorer and I scored that fight a draw.

Agreed. Unfortunately, Dokes was seldom at his best and liked to party more than train. Of course I think even a slightly less than well prepared Dokes takes Moorer. Normally I would say that Moorer would sweep all of the late rounds because Dokes was known for questionable conditioning, but stamina wasn't one of Moorer's strengths. At least not the HW version of MM.

Nile4000 wrote:Michael Dokes takes this, only the last year of fighting Dokes loses this matchup.Though his punching ability is overrated, the speed Michael had was no joke, and he'd have Michael Moorer out of their in three rounds in his prime.

Who ever rated Dokes as a strong puncher? Dokes is vastly overrated and his resume is not even close to that of Moorer. How many really good fighters did Dokes ever beat? His legend is built on sparring sessions with a shot Ali, a KO over Gardner and a valiant but loosing effort vs. Holyfield. The Holyfield loss that has gotten him more mileage here than Moorer ever got for beating the same man. He barely got past Cobb in his prime, sports a KO% just north of 50 and yet he knocks Moorer out in 3 rounds?

hhaehre wrote:

Nile4000 wrote:Michael Dokes takes this, only the last year of fighting Dokes loses this matchup.Though his punching ability is overrated, the speed Michael had was no joke, and he'd have Michael Moorer out of their in three rounds in his prime.

Who ever rated Dokes as a strong puncher? Dokes is vastly overrated and his resume is not even close to that of Moorer. How many really good fighters did Dokes ever beat? His legend is built on sparring sessions with a shot Ali, a KO over Gardner and a valiant but loosing effort vs. Holyfield. The Holyfield loss that has gotten him more mileage here than Moorer ever got for beating the same man. He barely got past Cobb in his prime, sports a KO% just north of 50 and yet he knocks Moorer out in 3 rounds?

It's possible because of his hand speed.

Nile4000 wrote:

hhaehre wrote:

Nile4000 wrote:Michael Dokes takes this, only the last year of fighting Dokes loses this matchup.Though his punching ability is overrated, the speed Michael had was no joke, and he'd have Michael Moorer out of their in three rounds in his prime.

Who ever rated Dokes as a strong puncher? Dokes is vastly overrated and his resume is not even close to that of Moorer. How many really good fighters did Dokes ever beat? His legend is built on sparring sessions with a shot Ali, a KO over Gardner and a valiant but loosing effort vs. Holyfield. The Holyfield loss that has gotten him more mileage here than Moorer ever got for beating the same man. He barely got past Cobb in his prime, sports a KO% just north of 50 and yet he knocks Moorer out in 3 rounds?

It's possible because of his hand speed.

It's also possible that the Nobel committee awarded you the Nobel prize in literature for your postings on Boxrec but it's not very likely is it?

They would have to instruct Joey Curtis to step in real early that's for sure.

hhaehre wrote:

Nile4000 wrote:Michael Dokes takes this, only the last year of fighting Dokes loses this matchup.Though his punching ability is overrated, the speed Michael had was no joke, and he'd have Michael Moorer out of their in three rounds in his prime.

Who ever rated Dokes as a strong puncher? Dokes is vastly overrated and his resume is not even close to that of Moorer. How many really good fighters did Dokes ever beat? His legend is built on sparring sessions with a shot Ali, a KO over Gardner and a valiant but loosing effort vs. Holyfield. The Holyfield loss that has gotten him more mileage here than Moorer ever got for beating the same man. He barely got past Cobb in his prime, sports a KO% just north of 50 and yet he knocks Moorer out in 3 rounds?

Agreed --- Moorer bests Dokes, IMO.

And very valid point about Dokes getting more mileage out of a KO LOSS to Holyfield than Moorer gets for beating him.

Most likely Moorer, Dokes just never developed as some of us thought he would. I thought he was going places early on, but he just sort of flew around in circles before eventually flaming and crashing. I honestly thought he showed potential but he never pursued and reached top form. IMHO.

You could say that about Moorer as well I suppose, but the way I see it, Moorer ended up just about one full notch above Dokes.

Goodnight, Irene wrote:

hhaehre wrote:

Nile4000 wrote:Michael Dokes takes this, only the last year of fighting Dokes loses this matchup.Though his punching ability is overrated, the speed Michael had was no joke, and he'd have Michael Moorer out of their in three rounds in his prime.

Who ever rated Dokes as a strong puncher? Dokes is vastly overrated and his resume is not even close to that of Moorer. How many really good fighters did Dokes ever beat? His legend is built on sparring sessions with a shot Ali, a KO over Gardner and a valiant but loosing effort vs. Holyfield. The Holyfield loss that has gotten him more mileage here than Moorer ever got for beating the same man. He barely got past Cobb in his prime, sports a KO% just north of 50 and yet he knocks Moorer out in 3 rounds?

Agreed --- Moorer bests Dokes, IMO.

And very valid point about Dokes getting more mileage out of a KO LOSS to Holyfield than Moorer gets for beating him.

If Moorer had fought the same Holyfield Dokes fought, he doesn't last past 6.

Dokes's resume may not be great, but Moorer's is certainly not any better, esp. since his best W is a controversial W over a Evander having steroid-induced heart palpitations. After that it's Ws over Cooper, Botha and Schultz . . are you seriously going to suggest Dokes wouldn't have handled those 3 with relative ease?

Who the hell did Dokes ever beat, Demps?

dempseyfire wrote:

Goodnight, Irene wrote:

hhaehre wrote: Who ever rated Dokes as a strong puncher? Dokes is vastly overrated and his resume is not even close to that of Moorer. How many really good fighters did Dokes ever beat? His legend is built on sparring sessions with a shot Ali, a KO over Gardner and a valiant but loosing effort vs. Holyfield. The Holyfield loss that has gotten him more mileage here than Moorer ever got for beating the same man. He barely got past Cobb in his prime, sports a KO% just north of 50 and yet he knocks Moorer out in 3 rounds?

Agreed --- Moorer bests Dokes, IMO.

And very valid point about Dokes getting more mileage out of a KO LOSS to Holyfield than Moorer gets for beating him.

If Moorer had fought the same Holyfield Dokes fought, he doesn't last past 6.

Dokes's resume may not be great, but Moorer's is certainly not any better, esp. since his best W is a controversial W over a Evander having steroid-induced heart palpitations. After that it's Ws over Cooper, Botha and Schultz . . are you seriously going to suggest Dokes wouldn't have handled those 3 with relative ease?

What's controversial about Moorer's win over Holyfield? A clear cut decision win it was and Holyfield had major problems with Moorer, especially the southpaw jab, as evident in the second fight also.

dempseyfire wrote:

Goodnight, Irene wrote:

hhaehre wrote: Who ever rated Dokes as a strong puncher? Dokes is vastly overrated and his resume is not even close to that of Moorer. How many really good fighters did Dokes ever beat? His legend is built on sparring sessions with a shot Ali, a KO over Gardner and a valiant but loosing effort vs. Holyfield. The Holyfield loss that has gotten him more mileage here than Moorer ever got for beating the same man. He barely got past Cobb in his prime, sports a KO% just north of 50 and yet he knocks Moorer out in 3 rounds?

Agreed --- Moorer bests Dokes, IMO.

And very valid point about Dokes getting more mileage out of a KO LOSS to Holyfield than Moorer gets for beating him.

If Moorer had fought the same Holyfield Dokes fought, he doesn't last past 6.

Dokes's resume may not be great, but Moorer's is certainly not any better, esp. since his best W is a controversial W over a Evander having steroid-induced heart palpitations. After that it's Ws over Cooper, Botha and Schultz . . are you seriously going to suggest Dokes wouldn't have handled those 3 with relative ease?

I don't see why Dokes should not struggle with guys like Cooper and Botha, he sure had his hands full with Weawer and Cobb.