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.......at 168 with hagler moving up.....

wide UD win for Hagler

I could see the Marvellous one stopping Froch late around 10/12 rounds or wide UD

Can't see Froch doing too well against the Marvelous one. Gotta go with Hagler via UD, though a late stoppage wouldn't be surprising either.

This just makes me smile. I think it's about the only way that one would ever see Hagler and Froch's name in the same thread.

BoxBuzz wrote:This just makes me smile. I think it's about the only way that one would ever see Hagler and Froch's name in the same thread.

This is not 160lbs... It's 168...
8lbs more. Froch was a fair bit bigger.

BoxBuzz wrote:This just makes me smile. I think it's about the only way that one would ever see Hagler and Froch's name in the same thread.

no it isnt i was goig to start a thread about how froch and calzaghe would do against minter and sibson and the hagler factor would have figured in the thread. would joe and carl do better.

my view is no....i think marvin would stop froch in 4 and beat down calzaghe brutally in 6 or 7

mugabi wrote:

BoxBuzz wrote:This just makes me smile. I think it's about the only way that one would ever see Hagler and Froch's name in the same thread.

no it isnt i was goig to start a thread about how froch and calzaghe would do against minter and sibson and the hagler factor would have figured in the thread. would joe and carl do better.

my view is no....i think marvin would stop froch in 4 and beat down calzaghe brutally in 6 or 7

You're out of your f$#%ing mind. Tell me you were paragliding over the Andes on an acid trip when you wrote this D

Hagler was something else. Easy win. Calzaghe beaten up too. This is a silly thread.

mugabi wrote:
my view is no....i think marvin would stop froch in 4 and beat down calzaghe brutally in 6 or 7

Eh, really? I can't see Hagler moving up a weight and stopping either of them, their chins were (are) very very solid.

Goodnight, Irene wrote:

mugabi wrote:

BoxBuzz wrote:This just makes me smile. I think it's about the only way that one would ever see Hagler and Froch's name in the same thread.

no it isnt i was goig to start a thread about how froch and calzaghe would do against minter and sibson and the hagler factor would have figured in the thread. would joe and carl do better.

my view is no....i think marvin would stop froch in 4 and beat down calzaghe brutally in 6 or 7

You're out of your f$#%ing mind. Tell me you were paragliding over the Andes on an acid trip when you wrote this D

do go back to bed urineiee, u dont collect dole money till wednesday, take some 4x, swallow a few prozacs and dont come on here making a fool out of yourself even tho i know u derive sexual pleasure by doing that , making a fool of yourself so i have to slap u down.

Once your sober do tell u why u think calzaghe would beat hagler? idiot

Minter, sibson were all capable guys not too removed from calzaghes higher level but fought in a far tougher era, they didnt have wbo 4th grade titles to hide behind during their development.

Still your protesting makes a jackass out of loaded gloves who thinks this is a pointless thread....as we clearly have a debate on our hands!

Controversial wrote:

mugabi wrote:
my view is no....i think marvin would stop froch in 4 and beat down calzaghe brutally in 6 or 7

Eh, really? I can't see Hagler moving up a weight and stopping either of them, their chins were (are) very very solid.

Hagler was a force of nature...minter, sibson and john mugabi had very durable chins as well, until hagler got to them...and none of them were ever the same again, MInter suddenly became very vulnerable, sibson started finding a second home on the canvas, and Mugabi resembled a man who couldnt walk straight against mclellan and norris. Yes they were murderous punchers but no doubt mugabis chin was damaged permanently by marvin!

mugabi wrote:

Controversial wrote:

mugabi wrote:
my view is no....i think marvin would stop froch in 4 and beat down calzaghe brutally in 6 or 7

Eh, really? I can't see Hagler moving up a weight and stopping either of them, their chins were (are) very very solid.

Hagler was a force of nature...minter, sibson and john mugabi had very durable chins as well, until hagler got to them...and none of them were ever the same again, MInter suddenly became very vulnerable, sibson started finding a second home on the canvas, and Mugabi resembled a man who couldnt walk straight against mclellan and norris. Yes they were murderous punchers but no doubt mugabis chin was damaged permanently by marvin!

Froch has a better chin than Minter, Sibson and Mugabi and is naturally bigger. I can't see how Hagler would move up a weight a stop Froch in 4, quicker than he stopped many fighters, it doesn't make sense. Sibson was a good European level fighter, not really world class and had been sparked in one round earlier in his career.

Mugabi hadn't really beaten anyone of note before fighting Hagler either. All his fights ended early so at that point he hadn't really been tested enough to say his chin was on a par with Froch.

Alan Partridge wrote:

BoxBuzz wrote:This just makes me smile. I think it's about the only way that one would ever see Hagler and Froch's name in the same thread.

This is not 160lbs... It's 168...
8lbs more. Froch was a fair bit bigger.

Hagler also fought during same day weigh ins, so Froch would have been much bigger than Marvin. Of course Hagler is much more experienced and skilled, but it's highly unlikely that Hagler could have stopped someone who is basically a LH.

Mugabi quite simply is your run-of-the-mill BoxRec expert, never actually watching guys, just reading their records.

Anyone who believes Hagler goes in some 10-12 lbs smaller against guys like Froch and Calzaghe and stops both in a handful of rounds has never seen these guys box. Its THAT simple.

No way in hell Hagler stops Froch, not if they fought 50 times. Carl is as tough as they come. There is also no way in hell he loses, but this is a wide UD for Marvin every time.

Goodnight, Irene wrote:Mugabi quite simply is your run-of-the-mill BoxRec expert, never actually watching guys, just reading their records.

Anyone who believes Hagler goes in some 10-12 lbs smaller against guys like Froch and Calzaghe and stops both in a handful of rounds has never seen these guys box. Its THAT simple.

Well id rather be a run of the mill expert rather than the crocodile dundee of boxrec....so adept at catching crocs but unable to use a american shitter properly! lol! ( i always thought the sequel was the best).

Hagler was one of the strongest 160 pounders ever.Only his discipline and hunger allowed him to stay at 160 in those days....he would have relished a 168 era where the best middles were at 168 rather than 160 like in the 1980's.
So your so idiotic that u think as an englishman i havent seen calzaghe or froch box? ive watched almost all of frochs fights including his amateur world championships fights...and ditto i watched calzaghe in the flesh in the amateurs in dingy halls. Im one of Froch and Calzaghes biggest fans but they never came close to meeting a Marvin Hagler in their careers. Neither of them would make it to round 15 . Many a tough man was broken by Hagler.

mugabi wrote:

Goodnight, Irene wrote:Mugabi quite simply is your run-of-the-mill BoxRec expert, never actually watching guys, just reading their records.

Anyone who believes Hagler goes in some 10-12 lbs smaller against guys like Froch and Calzaghe and stops both in a handful of rounds has never seen these guys box. Its THAT simple.

Well id rather be a run of the mill expert rather than the crocodile dundee of boxrec....so adept at catching crocs but unable to use a american shitter properly! lol! ( i always thought the sequel was the best).

Hagler was one of the strongest 160 pounders ever.Only his discipline and hunger allowed him to stay at 160 in those days....he would have relished a 168 era where the best middles were at 168 rather than 160 like in the 1980's.
So your so idiotic that u think as an englishman i havent seen calzaghe or froch box? ive watched almost all of frochs fights including his amateur world championships fights...and ditto i watched calzaghe in the flesh in the amateurs in dingy halls. Im one of Froch and Calzaghes biggest fans but they never came close to meeting a Marvin Hagler in their careers. Neither of them would make it to round 15 . Many a tough man was broken by Hagler.

I'm not so sure Hagler would be the same force at 168. Hagler wasn't the biggest middleweight at 5ft 9 and he tended to weigh in a couple of pounds under the 160 limit more often than not. To add more weight wouldn't necessarily make him more dangerous. Saying that he would still beat Froch but I just can't see him stopping him in 4 rounds.

mugabi wrote:

Goodnight, Irene wrote:Mugabi quite simply is your run-of-the-mill BoxRec expert, never actually watching guys, just reading their records.

Anyone who believes Hagler goes in some 10-12 lbs smaller against guys like Froch and Calzaghe and stops both in a handful of rounds has never seen these guys box. Its THAT simple.

Well id rather be a run of the mill expert rather than the crocodile dundee of boxrec....so adept at catching crocs but unable to use a american shitter properly! lol! ( i always thought the sequel was the best).

Hagler was one of the strongest 160 pounders ever.Only his discipline and hunger allowed him to stay at 160 in those days....he would have relished a 168 era where the best middles were at 168 rather than 160 like in the 1980's.
So your so idiotic that u think as an englishman i havent seen calzaghe or froch box? ive watched almost all of frochs fights including his amateur world championships fights...and ditto i watched calzaghe in the flesh in the amateurs in dingy halls. Im one of Froch and Calzaghes biggest fans but they never came close to meeting a Marvin Hagler in their careers. Neither of them would make it to round 15 . Many a tough man was broken by Hagler.

My mistake. You have watched them --- you just have the analytical ability of a goldfish.

& learn the distinction between, 'your,' &, 'you're,' my obnoxious, Oxford-educated numpty.

Goodnight, Irene wrote:

mugabi wrote:

Goodnight, Irene wrote:Mugabi quite simply is your run-of-the-mill BoxRec expert, never actually watching guys, just reading their records.

Anyone who believes Hagler goes in some 10-12 lbs smaller against guys like Froch and Calzaghe and stops both in a handful of rounds has never seen these guys box. Its THAT simple.

Well id rather be a run of the mill expert rather than the crocodile dundee of boxrec....so adept at catching crocs but unable to use a american shitter properly! lol! ( i always thought the sequel was the best).

Hagler was one of the strongest 160 pounders ever.Only his discipline and hunger allowed him to stay at 160 in those days....he would have relished a 168 era where the best middles were at 168 rather than 160 like in the 1980's.
So your so idiotic that u think as an englishman i havent seen calzaghe or froch box? ive watched almost all of frochs fights including his amateur world championships fights...and ditto i watched calzaghe in the flesh in the amateurs in dingy halls. Im one of Froch and Calzaghes biggest fans but they never came close to meeting a Marvin Hagler in their careers. Neither of them would make it to round 15 . Many a tough man was broken by Hagler.

My mistake. You have watched them --- you just have the analytical ability of a goldfish.

& learn the distinction between, 'your,' &, 'you're,' my obnoxious, Oxford-educated numpty.

I'm surprised you still read his rubbish. Arguing is fun, he is just a deranged stalker with rage drool flying out of his mouth to moisten the Cheetos stains on the shirt he has been wearing for a month. Poor little Mugabi is the only active poster I have on ignore.

I must confess, I enjoy his illiterate rants. The broken English, the rants on all things Crocodile Dundee & the most base-level stereotypes of Australia, the, "multi-tasking," as he posts, the trademarks of an Oxford-educated posting, the nickname, "Urineenie," the man is a marvel. I find his stupidity & vitriol entertaining D

In all seriousness, however, he is a God-awful analyser of the sport. He should stick to Oxford's Polo Grounds, IMO.

Controversial wrote:

mugabi wrote:

Controversial wrote: Eh, really? I can't see Hagler moving up a weight and stopping either of them, their chins were (are) very very solid.

Hagler was a force of nature...minter, sibson and john mugabi had very durable chins as well, until hagler got to them...and none of them were ever the same again, MInter suddenly became very vulnerable, sibson started finding a second home on the canvas, and Mugabi resembled a man who couldnt walk straight against mclellan and norris. Yes they were murderous punchers but no doubt mugabis chin was damaged permanently by marvin!

Froch has a better chin than Minter, Sibson and Mugabi and is naturally bigger. I can't see how Hagler would move up a weight a stop Froch in 4, quicker than he stopped many fighters, it doesn't make sense. Sibson was a good European level fighter, not really world class and had been sparked in one round earlier in his career.

Mugabi hadn't really beaten anyone of note before fighting Hagler either. All his fights ended early so at that point he hadn't really been tested enough to say his chin was on a par with Froch.

Mugabi/Green was a war.

I agree with John L’s point that Froch was essentially a lightheavy back in Hagler’s day. And what would be a 15 pounds disadvantage would make a difference.

One thing I never really appreciated until I came on these boards was that Hagler at times was under 160. He was probably a smaller middleweight.

Hagler was a far better fighter than Antuofermo but he did struggle with his strength. He didn’t make that first fight easy. I thought Marvin was a clear winner but it was no shut out. The second fight as I remember was a bit of a joke.

In Carl he has in front of him a light heavy version of Vito (probably the best comparison I can come up with).

Controversial wrote:

mugabi wrote:

Controversial wrote: Eh, really? I can't see Hagler moving up a weight and stopping either of them, their chins were (are) very very solid.

Hagler was a force of nature...minter, sibson and john mugabi had very durable chins as well, until hagler got to them...and none of them were ever the same again, MInter suddenly became very vulnerable, sibson started finding a second home on the canvas, and Mugabi resembled a man who couldnt walk straight against mclellan and norris. Yes they were murderous punchers but no doubt mugabis chin was damaged permanently by marvin!

Froch has a better chin than Minter, Sibson and Mugabi and is naturally bigger. I can't see how Hagler would move up a weight a stop Froch in 4, quicker than he stopped many fighters, it doesn't make sense. Sibson was a good European level fighter, not really world class and had been sparked in one round earlier in his career.

Mugabi hadn't really beaten anyone of note before fighting Hagler either. All his fights ended early so at that point he hadn't really been tested enough to say his chin was on a par with Froch.

well argued but back when mugabi was coming up, he beat a string of highly rated middleweights...he was practically cleaning out the top ten...and he had taken some hellacious shots and not even blinked.... before he foughthagler mugabi was even being spoken of as top 10 pound 4 pound....he was right up there as high as 5...I have the old magazines and have seen the videos.

I dont think Froch as a comfortable 168 pounder is much bigger than minter and sibson ...those guys boiled themselves to make 160 in ways that would be outlawed today...and they fought without real recovery....as back than either u were amiddle weight and aswallowed it.....or u became a l blown up unatural light heavyweight...and as we saw much later in his career sibson ws no light heavyweight.......no the 8lb difference is nowehere near the factor peole are making out....the whole reason the delayed weigh ins were bought in was so guys would have time to get back up to their natural weight....sadly over time some guys are using that to abuse the system.....froch isnt one of them he makes 168 easily.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Goodnight, Irene wrote:

mugabi wrote: Well id rather be a run of the mill expert rather than the crocodile dundee of boxrec....so adept at catching crocs but unable to use a american shitter properly! lol! ( i always thought the sequel was the best).

Hagler was one of the strongest 160 pounders ever.Only his discipline and hunger allowed him to stay at 160 in those days....he would have relished a 168 era where the best middles were at 168 rather than 160 like in the 1980's.
So your so idiotic that u think as an englishman i havent seen calzaghe or froch box? ive watched almost all of frochs fights including his amateur world championships fights...and ditto i watched calzaghe in the flesh in the amateurs in dingy halls. Im one of Froch and Calzaghes biggest fans but they never came close to meeting a Marvin Hagler in their careers. Neither of them would make it to round 15 . Many a tough man was broken by Hagler.

My mistake. You have watched them --- you just have the analytical ability of a goldfish.

& learn the distinction between, 'your,' &, 'you're,' my obnoxious, Oxford-educated numpty.

I'm surprised you still read his rubbish. Arguing is fun, he is just a deranged stalker with rage drool flying out of his mouth to moisten the Cheetos stains on the shirt he has been wearing for a month. Poor little Mugabi is the only active poster I have on ignore.

You have me on ignore as you're a coward and bully with mental issues. Outside BOTP ever post you make is trolling and any thread u post on becomes name calling started by you.....you cant handle me as Im the one poster who stands up to you and dingo brained outback jack urineiee! DD what a pair of tits one of them (sadie) said george foreman wasnt a good infighter....the other thinks an oxofrd education is the same as goolagong creek comprehensiv!! ahhh jealousy!:DD