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Kell Brook will 100% fight for a world title in 2012

Posted: 19 Dec 2011, 16:24
by Pugilist-specialist
According to the magnificent Eddie Hearn

http://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/special_ ... _1_4073185

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Re: Kell Brook will 100% fight for a world title in 2012

Posted: 19 Dec 2011, 16:26
by Gavler
Most overated british boxer in my opinion, he has done nothing to deserve a world title shot.

Re: Kell Brook will 100% fight for a world title in 2012

Posted: 19 Dec 2011, 16:27
by Matt W
Gavler wrote:Most overated british boxer in my opinion, he has done nothing to deserve a world title shot.
Agreed, he's a good fighter and could possibly win a title but I don't see him as special.

Re: Kell Brook will 100% fight for a world title in 2012

Posted: 19 Dec 2011, 16:33
by Pugilist-specialist
Gavler wrote:Most overated british boxer in my opinion, he has done nothing to deserve a world title shot.
Out of interest, who is the most underrated in your opinion?

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Re: Kell Brook will 100% fight for a world title in 2012

Posted: 19 Dec 2011, 16:45
by jessi
I thought he had a very good performance in America, I think the sky team were being harsh, Latin Americans are a lot tougher then people think, he threw some fantastic combinations, he got caught a couple of times, so what.

Re: Kell Brook will 100% fight for a world title in 2012

Posted: 19 Dec 2011, 16:54
by Gavler
Pugilist-specialist wrote:
Gavler wrote:Most overated british boxer in my opinion, he has done nothing to deserve a world title shot.
Out of interest, who is the most underrated in your opinion?

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John Mcdermott. I think he has great talent but never has gotten himself into respectable conditon. Some may laugh at that though :TU:

Re: Kell Brook will 100% fight for a world title in 2012

Posted: 19 Dec 2011, 17:05
by Glyn Leach
jessi wrote:I thought he had a very good performance in America, I think the sky team were being harsh, Latin Americans are a lot tougher then people think, he threw some fantastic combinations, he got caught a couple of times, so what.
I think Sky were trying to counterbalance the ridiculous overhyping they did for Kell's previous fight. Somewhere in between is probably right IMO, he's a promising but still developing fighter who has yet to be tested at world level

Re: Kell Brook will 100% fight for a world title in 2012

Posted: 19 Dec 2011, 17:22
by dondada
Gavler wrote:he has done nothing to deserve a world title shot.
There are fighters who've recently had shots of one kind or another who have done less.

Re: Kell Brook will 100% fight for a world title in 2012

Posted: 19 Dec 2011, 17:23
by dondada
Gavler wrote:
Pugilist-specialist wrote:
Gavler wrote:Most overated british boxer in my opinion, he has done nothing to deserve a world title shot.
Out of interest, who is the most underrated in your opinion?

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John Mcdermott. I think he has great talent but never has gotten himself into respectable conditon. Some may laugh at that though :TU:
It's a good call. Very nice boxer is John and, lest we forget, he beat Fury in almost everyone's eyes other than Big Terry's.

Re: Kell Brook will 100% fight for a world title in 2012

Posted: 19 Dec 2011, 17:25
by twenty six
I've heard it all now.
Someone wants to be taken serious and then says Brook over rated McDermott under rated.
I give up. :roll:

Re: Kell Brook will 100% fight for a world title in 2012

Posted: 19 Dec 2011, 17:26
by dondada
twenty six wrote:I've heard it all now.
Someone wants to be taken serious and then says Brook over rated McDermott under rated.
I give up. :roll:
McDermott is underrated. The one thing he isn't is under-fed :lol:

Re: Kell Brook will 100% fight for a world title in 2012

Posted: 19 Dec 2011, 17:29
by leforge
Glyn Leach wrote:
jessi wrote:I thought he had a very good performance in America, I think the sky team were being harsh, Latin Americans are a lot tougher then people think, he threw some fantastic combinations, he got caught a couple of times, so what.
I think Sky were trying to counterbalance the ridiculous overhyping they did for Kell's previous fight. Somewhere in between is probably right IMO, he's a promising but still developing fighter who has yet to be tested at world level
He beat a guy who was no 6 rated by the ring. I ageree he needs another test like Zaveck or Hatton perhaps next then world title shot.Least he being promoted better get much more exposure than before. The towel arrived twice cheers!

Re: Kell Brook will 100% fight for a world title in 2012

Posted: 19 Dec 2011, 18:04
by Gavler
twenty six wrote:I've heard it all now.
Someone wants to be taken serious and then says Brook over rated McDermott under rated.
I give up. :roll:
Can you please read my post properly i said he is underrated i have not said he is any world beater....So dont comment unless you have a good reaseon.

The reason i say he is overated is because his best oppenent is ndou who lets face it was past his best...so saying that he isnt desreving of a world title shot

Re: Kell Brook will 100% fight for a world title in 2012

Posted: 19 Dec 2011, 18:06
by jamesmcdonnell
Kel looks pretty special to me, but of course we cannot tell until he steps up the level of competition.

Re: Kell Brook will 100% fight for a world title in 2012

Posted: 19 Dec 2011, 18:40
by Old bones Ian
They say the IBF is the likely route. Brook is rated No5 by them, with 3 boxers from the USA in front of him. I'd be surprised to see him jump that queue. Mike Jones, Randall Bailey and Carson Jones would all have a better chance as they have names known in the US.

Vyacheslv Senchenko is the WBA champ, and he is backed by Union Boxing Promotion. Who have bid big purses in the past, i mean they bid 1.1 million for a fight against Brad Solomon, the nearest bid was $900,000 less. So that shows that whatever Hearn thinks he has, they have more. I can't see Hearns having the finances to temp him out of the Ukraine, and i can't see Brook tempted to go there for the fight.

WBC Mayweather, no chance of him fighting Brook. He will only be out once in 2012 i think.

WBO Pacman, i can't see it. But if the Mayweather fight doesn't happen them maybe Brook could get a shout in. He's ranked No2 with them.

Re: Kell Brook will 100% fight for a world title in 2012

Posted: 19 Dec 2011, 18:40
by iamasadlittleboy
Kell does need to step up, I don't really have him much ahead of the likes of Chavez, Omotoso and Kamegai...in fact stick Brook in with one of those 3....

Re: Kell Brook will 100% fight for a world title in 2012

Posted: 19 Dec 2011, 18:48
by whiskey
Joshua Clottey would be good move.

Re: Kell Brook will 100% fight for a world title in 2012

Posted: 20 Dec 2011, 06:49
by big lennox
Something to look forward to in the new year. I think Kell is doing really well and still boxing well within himself. Happy days.Here's to a another british world champion in the new year, and another world champ from the Ingle gym.I hope people get behind Kell as he is a really friendly,nice bloke and will prove to be a worthy champ, I think.

Re: Kell Brook will 100% fight for a world title in 2012

Posted: 20 Dec 2011, 07:34
by Pugilist-specialist
Gavler wrote:
Pugilist-specialist wrote:
Gavler wrote:Most overated british boxer in my opinion, he has done nothing to deserve a world title shot.
Out of interest, who is the most underrated in your opinion?

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John Mcdermott. I think he has great talent but never has gotten himself into respectable conditon. Some may laugh at that though :TU:
McDermott has good skills but conditioning, fitness, diet, discipline and desire are massive parts of boxing. Every gym has talented kids who never fulfill their potential.

Who do you think is overrating Kell? Ring magazine have him no.6 in the world.

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Re: Kell Brook will 100% fight for a world title in 2012

Posted: 20 Dec 2011, 09:38
by lefthook82
G0mez wrote:Joshua Clottey would be good move.
If brook signed for Top Rank he could beat Clottey. Otherwise Clottey banjos him

Re: Kell Brook will 100% fight for a world title in 2012

Posted: 20 Dec 2011, 09:46
by jamesmcdonnell
Old bones Ian wrote:They say the IBF is the likely route. Brook is rated No5 by them, with 3 boxers from the USA in front of him. I'd be surprised to see him jump that queue. Mike Jones, Randall Bailey and Carson Jones would all have a better chance as they have names known in the US.

Vyacheslv Senchenko is the WBA champ, and he is backed by Union Boxing Promotion. Who have bid big purses in the past, i mean they bid 1.1 million for a fight against Brad Solomon, the nearest bid was $900,000 less. So that shows that whatever Hearn thinks he has, they have more. I can't see Hearns having the finances to temp him out of the Ukraine, and i can't see Brook tempted to go there for the fight.

WBC Mayweather, no chance of him fighting Brook. He will only be out once in 2012 i think.

WBO Pacman, i can't see it. But if the Mayweather fight doesn't happen them maybe Brook could get a shout in. He's ranked No2 with them.
Jesus! Randall Bailey! He must be older than God's dog.

Re: Kell Brook will 100% fight for a world title in 2012

Posted: 20 Dec 2011, 10:02
by leforge
King Geedorah wrote:
Old bones Ian wrote:They say the IBF is the likely route. Brook is rated No5 by them, with 3 boxers from the USA in front of him. I'd be surprised to see him jump that queue. Mike Jones, Randall Bailey and Carson Jones would all have a better chance as they have names known in the US.

Vyacheslv Senchenko is the WBA champ, and he is backed by Union Boxing Promotion. Who have bid big purses in the past, i mean they bid 1.1 million for a fight against Brad Solomon, the nearest bid was $900,000 less. So that shows that whatever Hearn thinks he has, they have more. I can't see Hearns having the finances to temp him out of the Ukraine, and i can't see Brook tempted to go there for the fight.

WBC Mayweather, no chance of him fighting Brook. He will only be out once in 2012 i think.

WBO Pacman, i can't see it. But if the Mayweather fight doesn't happen them maybe Brook could get a shout in. He's ranked No2 with them.
Intelligent, logical reasoning so no way it will happen like that. Kell will probably have to win 5 final eliminators and wait for umpteen ‘name’ lightweights/light-welters to get their cracks before he even gets a sniff. 2012 is going to be crucial for Kell as he is likely to get 3-4 fights and they need to be key ones. I’d love to see him versus Matthew Hatton as Matt’s got a name on the world stage, is a former world title challenger and former EBU titlist. People sneer when he is mentioned but he is a very viable test for Kell.

It would be awesome if they were to get someone like Malignaggi over.

In many ways it is a shame that the Mafia no longer control the sport, at least in those days you knew who to bung and it lead to a title crack. Too many fighters stagnate or wither on the vine simply because the usual suspects get title shot after title shot. There’s too much deadwood at the higher levels.
Think Hatton fight might happen if not Zavcek former world champion be good.

Re: Kell Brook will 100% fight for a world title in 2012

Posted: 20 Dec 2011, 10:36
by JC
Old bones Ian wrote:WBO Pacman, i can't see it. But if the Mayweather fight doesn't happen them maybe Brook could get a shout in. He's ranked No2 with them.
Pacman is WBO 'Super Champion' the guy ranked above Kell Brook Mike Jones just won and IBF eliminator so I would assume he gets the shot at Berto. Might we see Brook fighting for the WBO interim? Hopefully not

Re: Kell Brook will 100% fight for a world title in 2012

Posted: 20 Dec 2011, 10:49
by Old bones Ian
J-C wrote:
Old bones Ian wrote:WBO Pacman, i can't see it. But if the Mayweather fight doesn't happen them maybe Brook could get a shout in. He's ranked No2 with them.
Pacman is WBO 'Super Champion' the guy ranked above Kell Brook Mike Jones just won and IBF eliminator so I would assume he gets the shot at Berto. Might we see Brook fighting for the WBO interim? Hopefully not
Good point, i didn't know the WBO had gone down the 'super champion' route as well.

Re: Kell Brook will 100% fight for a world title in 2012

Posted: 20 Dec 2011, 14:44
by magnus
Gavler wrote:
twenty six wrote:I've heard it all now.
Someone wants to be taken serious and then says Brook over rated McDermott under rated.
I give up. :roll:
Can you please read my post properly i said he is underrated i have not said he is any world beater....So dont comment unless you have a good reaseon.

The reason i say he is overated is because his best oppenent is ndou who lets face it was past his best...so saying that he isnt desreving of a world title shot
In an ideal world, maybe. But this is boxing in 2011, where there are often 3 WBA "world" title holders in a single weight division. By today's standards he'll soon be known as the Sheffield Sam Langford.