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Eubanks says Jones Jr wouldn't fight him?

Posted: 30 Dec 2011, 20:19
by coghaugen11
http://www.fightsaga.com/Features/item/ ... ris-Eubank

On Thursday, I caught up with the former outrageous world champion and innovative Chris Eubank Snr! of England, remembered for arrogantly standing between rounds and being the initiator of the boxing ring entrances. He gives us a fantastic insight.


Eubank on how he got started in boxing--

'I moved to the Bronx, New York when I was 16 and hated it so much that I locked myself in my room for three months putting on weight. Then my parents paid $15 for me to join Jerome Boxing gym and I never looked back, I became janitor and locked myself in the gym - I was so haunted by the outside world in the Bronx that I trained like a demon to get out, seven days a week. I obviously became very good, very soon.

'But there's so much to learn. Offensively, you have a dozen punches to master. It took me two years alone to master just the right hand. Defensively, you must learn how to sidestep, how to bob and weave, how to slip and counter, how to catch and counter, how to hit and move; then when to sidestep, when to bob and weave, when to slip, when to catch, when to counter, when to move, when to cover up. It takes years and years to become a skilled fighter.'

Eubank on when he first thought he could be world champion--

'I was 20 years old, I was mastering all the basics, but through martial arts training I was also becoming multi-directionally flexible and learning to distribute 97.5% of my weight to my back foot if I wasn't going into a position to punch - always ready to skip out of range. Other boxers weren't trained to have these add-ons, that extra. That's when I realized I could be a step ahead of the competition.

'In gym fights, the sparring partners of world champions Marvin Hagler and Mike McCallum - Johnny Banks Walker and Sosa - would struggle to punch me. Word spilled to the Top Rank Promotions and they got me on their next show in the Resorts International, and I wasn't told I'd be fighting a southpaw, so couldn't get anything off, and they thought I'd have no chance of becoming a world champion. The next time Top Rank promoted one of my fights, was when I beat Benn for the world title.'

Eubank on the boxing politics--

'When I went to see Mickey Duff, he didn't like my independent attitude and tried bumping me off by giving me a fight on BBC on two hours notice against a cruiserweight [Greg George] when I was 11-stone (154lbs).

'It was similar with allegedly and Frank Maloney - one made me travel from Brighton to London every day for two weeks without seeing me, and another promised me £800 if my fight with Anthony Logan was shown live on ITV, which it was. He still owes me that £800.'

Eubank on his unorthodox fight style--

'In boxing, the unorthodox will get the better of the orthodox 8 or 9 times in 10. I have first-hand experience. In Benn 1, I fought him side-on and stop-start with hands down and no jab - he was the most explosive puncher on the planet, so everything had to be unorthodox. I succeeded.

'For Benn 2, Maximo Pierret from New York was training me to fight correctly - jabbing and inside fighting and fluid work. Nigel was ducking and slipping and sliding with no fluidity while marching forward and punching off-balance, so even though I showed faster hands, sharper combinations and better foot movement, he was getting the better of me because he was being unorthodox. It's how he won 6 or 7 rounds in Old Trafford, though his ungentlemanly conduct, which is all into the game, probably cost him [in reference to Benn being deducted a point for low blows].

'For Collins 2, I was training to knock him out in three rounds with correct punching. But he charged forward swinging arm punches all night - Collins knew he couldn't do anything as well as me, so he had to be as ungamely as possible and it worked. He won. Similar with Calzaghe, I thought I'd knock him out in three rounds but he dropped his hands from an awkward southpaw stance and threw hard arm punches all night.

'The unusual is more effective than the usual. One exception to the rule was Marco Antonio Barrera with Naseem - I lost a lot of money that night.'

Eubank on why he didn't fight the very best--

'I fought the very best. I was unfortunate that I had a fighter called Roy Jones around in the Eubank era, who was really in a class of his own and it would be good if he didn't count, because he was out there on his own.

'I fought the very best if we don't count this Roy Jones. Watson in our second fight had the pace of a lightweight and strength of a heavyweight and was exceptionally better offensively than his middleweight days. Benn and Rocchigiani went on to better the No. 2's to Roy Jones, in Gerald McClellan and this European light-heavy Michalczewski.

'I was the only man to properly outbox Lindell Holmes, who caught punches at breakneck speed and switched from body to head himself in breakneck speed, (and) doubled all his punches in breakneck speed. Dan Schommer was the one man to outbox myself - he was always in the perfect spot, just marginally out of range and never missed a counter-punch. And I suppose Calzaghe, who threw combinations at breakneck speed and hit exceptionally hard.

'Regarding Roy Jones, for instance, there were political barriers. But when I broke down those barriers for us to fight, he didn't want to fight for me. He wouldn't fight me. I take that as a compliment.'

Eubank on advise to aspiring young fighters--

'If you talk like your mates and dress like your mates, hang out with your mates and chill out like your mates, you will be just like your mates. In short, ordinary. If you want to be exceptional then you have to be exceptional. This is the Warriors Code.

'What made Ricky Hatton so exceptionally exceptional was that he could be like his mates and still make world champion. But he was one in a million.'

Re: Eubanks says Jones Jr wouldn't fight him?

Posted: 31 Dec 2011, 05:41
by loaded_gloves
He's changed his tune. In his autobiog he said he never fought Jones or Toney because 'they were never my mandatory' - LOL!

Jones unwilling to fight Eubank? Dear oh dear. Whatever you say Chris. His WBO challengers were for the most past truly awful.

Re: Eubanks says Jones Jr wouldn't fight him?

Posted: 31 Dec 2011, 06:41
by tonyevs
Eubank always did and probably always will talk shit!

Look through his bullshit .. and you see he isn't the brightest light on the xmas tree.

Re: Eubanks says Jones Jr wouldn't fight him?

Posted: 31 Dec 2011, 06:46
by coghaugen11
He claims to have an IQ of 180, though?

Re: Eubanks says Jones Jr wouldn't fight him?

Posted: 31 Dec 2011, 07:00
by Jon Saxon
"If you want to be exceptional then you have to be exceptional. This is the Warriors Code"

Lol classic Eubank :bow:

Re: Eubanks says Jones Jr wouldn't fight him?

Posted: 31 Dec 2011, 07:37
by twenty six
The initiator of ring entrances eh ?
Nothing to do with what he learnt down at Wincobank then !
Totally irrelevent to me as a boxing purist, morre interested in what goes on in the ring.
I realy could never warm to Eubank - ironically until the two fights against The Cat.

Re: Eubanks says Jones Jr wouldn't fight him?

Posted: 31 Dec 2011, 07:53
by coghaugen11
Eubank vaulted over the ropes before his fight with Eric Holland in Feb '86 - I have it on tape. Surely he had never been to Wincobank at that point?

Re: Eubanks says Jones Jr wouldn't fight him?

Posted: 31 Dec 2011, 08:54
by jamesmcdonnell
coghaugen11 wrote:He claims to have an IQ of 180, though?
yeah, and I claim to have a 24 inch cock, so what?

Eubank might have a just about above average iq, he certainly doesn't have one of 180, that's Stephen Hawking or Einstein Territory.

Re: Eubanks says Jones Jr wouldn't fight him?

Posted: 31 Dec 2011, 10:21
by tonyevs
coghaugen11 wrote:He claims to have an IQ of 180, though?

... hmmm must be true then :roll:

He most often uses other peoples quotes to make himself appear intelligent.
And occasionally comes out with something uniquely Eubank-esque .. :oops:

He has always been an attention seeking whore. It served him well in his fight career .. but it has worn a little thin nowadays. Looks like his son has given him something of a revival to spout his sillyness to a new generation :-?

Very good fighter.
Very silly man.

Re: Eubanks says Jones Jr wouldn't fight him?

Posted: 31 Dec 2011, 10:31
by Quixall
Eubank is always an interesting read but that's about it. I have respect for the guy because he was a good fighter and was involved in those classic fights that were the highlights of British boxing in the 90's. As for being the best and fighting the best, he loses on both counts and to think that Roy Jones was scared of fighting him is simply laughable. Eubank was equal to Benn and Watson in terms of class and i doubt anyone would have destroyed him in his prime, but the likes of Jones, Toney or Macallum would have been too much for him. It's one thing sparring guys who spar champions, it's another fighting them.

Eubank always tries to over articulate sentences and use prose and psychology that could be picked up in any 6th form beginners guide. His quote at the end regards being with your "mates" could easily have been said in half the time and his pseudo analysis could be picked to pieces. All Eubank is doing is taking common sense and values that have been around since year dot and converting them into supposed pearls of wisdom using sophisticated words that he doesn't really understand and often uses in the wrong context. Entertaining yes, someone to take advice from, no, because he just says the bleeding obvious.

What was interesting was when he said that he trained to "knock out" certain fighters, noticably Collins and Calzaghe. I would have thought that was a risky strategy and pretty clueless. Surely you train to face a particular fighter with enough scope to change your tactics mid fight dependant upon what your opponent brings to the ring that night ? Also, when he said that he fought Benn one way in the first fight and another way in the second. He should have fought the second fight like he did the first because Benn could only fight one way, so he was never going to alter his tactics for the second fight. I found that very naive if it was true. Why would you alter your style, that had been succesful, against a fighter who couldn't change his style ??

Re: Eubanks says Jones Jr wouldn't fight him?

Posted: 31 Dec 2011, 11:13
by jameswilson
jamesmcdonnell wrote:
coghaugen11 wrote:He claims to have an IQ of 180, though?
yeah, and I claim to have a 24 inch cock, so what?

Eubank might have a just about above average iq, he certainly doesn't have one of 180, that's Stephen Hawking or Einstein Territory.
I was about to say that. 100 is the average so if your between 90 and 110 then your normal. 130 is really high. I think on that National IQ program years back that they did on tv the highest in the country (that took part in that) was about 150 -160.

180? Bollocks!

Re: Eubanks says Jones Jr wouldn't fight him?

Posted: 31 Dec 2011, 14:27
by Bricks
worst eubanks interview ever.

Previously hes been very interesting to hear as he has a different outlook on things. This interview was going well until he said "['I fought the very best if we don't count this Roy Jones. Watson in our second fight had the pace of a lightweight and strength of a heavyweight and was exceptionally better offensively than his middleweight days. Benn and Rocchigiani went on to better the No. 2's to Roy Jones, in Gerald McClellan and this European light-heavy Michalczewski.
/b]

Watson was probably around the 10 or 11th best MW/SM when eubanks fought him and was coming off a pasting from mccallum. I like how eubanks gets around benn and rocchigiani being the only true world class foes he beat by saying they beat the others for him! Although its true eubanks did want jones jnr for the money, he went out of his way to avoid nunn, toney, mccallum, jackson, graham, barkley, johnson and the others.....granted beating benn and rocchigiani were tremendous wins, but he avoided the true best, and when he did beat benn, benn wasnt quite at his peak, eubanks was. beating holmes was impresive but not in one of the most talent filled MW eras, in that era holmes was an also ran barely a frindge contender.

quixhall, by 93 benn was a totally different fighter and could certainly fight in a different manner to the early power punching wild slugger. Benn had added a superb bob and weave defence, which he could counter out of well, and he had learnt pacing and how to patiently box with the explosiveness thrown in , rather than just wildly slugging all out.

Re: Eubanks says Jones Jr wouldn't fight him?

Posted: 31 Dec 2011, 15:36
by Quixall
mugabi wrote:worst eubanks interview ever.

Previously hes been very interesting to hear as he has a different outlook on things. This interview was going well until he said "['I fought the very best if we don't count this Roy Jones. Watson in our second fight had the pace of a lightweight and strength of a heavyweight and was exceptionally better offensively than his middleweight days. Benn and Rocchigiani went on to better the No. 2's to Roy Jones, in Gerald McClellan and this European light-heavy Michalczewski.
/b]

Watson was probably around the 10 or 11th best MW/SM when eubanks fought him and was coming off a pasting from mccallum. I like how eubanks gets around benn and rocchigiani being the only true world class foes he beat by saying they beat the others for him! Although its true eubanks did want jones jnr for the money, he went out of his way to avoid nunn, toney, mccallum, jackson, graham, barkley, johnson and the others.....granted beating benn and rocchigiani were tremendous wins, but he avoided the true best, and when he did beat benn, benn wasnt quite at his peak, eubanks was. beating holmes was impresive but not in one of the most talent filled MW eras, in that era holmes was an also ran barely a frindge contender.

quixhall, by 93 benn was a totally different fighter and could certainly fight in a different manner to the early power punching wild slugger. Benn had added a superb bob and weave defence, which he could counter out of well, and he had learnt pacing and how to patiently box with the explosiveness thrown in , rather than just wildly slugging all out.


I think i may take a look at the two fights again Mugabi. Be interesting to see the different style of Benn. Back then i wasn't as studious about the game and didn't know a great deal about fighting styles or that Benn had made slight adjustments. Thanks for answering that point, cos i was unsure why Eubank would have altered his style.

Re: Eubanks says Jones Jr wouldn't fight him?

Posted: 31 Dec 2011, 16:18
by el_grande_mauro_mina
coghaugen11 wrote:He claims to have an IQ of 180, though?

Dream on Chris! :OhYes:

Re: Eubanks says Jones Jr wouldn't fight him?

Posted: 31 Dec 2011, 19:15
by Bricks
Quixall wrote:
mugabi wrote:worst eubanks interview ever.

Previously hes been very interesting to hear as he has a different outlook on things. This interview was going well until he said "['I fought the very best if we don't count this Roy Jones. Watson in our second fight had the pace of a lightweight and strength of a heavyweight and was exceptionally better offensively than his middleweight days. Benn and Rocchigiani went on to better the No. 2's to Roy Jones, in Gerald McClellan and this European light-heavy Michalczewski.
/b]

Watson was probably around the 10 or 11th best MW/SM when eubanks fought him and was coming off a pasting from mccallum. I like how eubanks gets around benn and rocchigiani being the only true world class foes he beat by saying they beat the others for him! Although its true eubanks did want jones jnr for the money, he went out of his way to avoid nunn, toney, mccallum, jackson, graham, barkley, johnson and the others.....granted beating benn and rocchigiani were tremendous wins, but he avoided the true best, and when he did beat benn, benn wasnt quite at his peak, eubanks was. beating holmes was impresive but not in one of the most talent filled MW eras, in that era holmes was an also ran barely a frindge contender.

quixhall, by 93 benn was a totally different fighter and could certainly fight in a different manner to the early power punching wild slugger. Benn had added a superb bob and weave defence, which he could counter out of well, and he had learnt pacing and how to patiently box with the explosiveness thrown in , rather than just wildly slugging all out.


I think i may take a look at the two fights again Mugabi. Be interesting to see the different style of Benn. Back then i wasn't as studious about the game and didn't know a great deal about fighting styles or that Benn had made slight adjustments. Thanks for answering that point, cos i was unsure why Eubank would have altered his style.


no worries mate. When i watch benns last two fights with steve collins, its amazing how well benn is bobbing and weaving,...its almost joe frazier like! Collins had rushed him and was Benn was weaving and countering very well....its just a huge shame he got injured in the first and quit, and in the second fight seemingly he had no more desire or will for a hard even fight....the well had run dry......this is something that doesnt get discussed much, but Benn did not retire physically shot...or even mentally shot...he could still take a punch as well as ever and give it as well as ever....he just had no desire to fight in a hard fight or carry on under pressure. so we had two bizzare fights where he esentially quit......he retired at 32 after a lot of hard fights.....the contrast with eubanks is ironic in that eubanks had 2 of the most gruelling fights i have ever seen, he had been in hard brutal wars with watson and benn early and than coasted through his career even in his two losses with collins he didnt really push him self. yet at the very end outweighed probably by 20 pounds against a big tough hard punching cruiser, he showed at the very end in those 2 wars that to the end his spirit and championship heart never deserted him and were it not for his flesh (in this case his eye) letting him down he would probably have beaten thompson.

Re: Eubanks says Jones Jr wouldn't fight him?

Posted: 01 Jan 2012, 10:07
by coghaugen11
Quixall wrote:Why would you alter your style, that had been succesful, against a fighter who couldn't change his style ??
To be fair at the time Eubank said he couldn't get motivated for Benn because he already beat him and brought in his old trainer from his days in the States to 'make me work'.

Re: Eubanks says Jones Jr wouldn't fight him?

Posted: 01 Jan 2012, 11:07
by Jon Saxon
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Eubank said he couldn't get motivated for Benn[/quote]

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Re: Eubanks says Jones Jr wouldn't fight him?

Posted: 01 Jan 2012, 11:47
by coghaugen11
His words at the time.

And in his book I recall.

Re: Eubanks says Jones Jr wouldn't fight him?

Posted: 03 Jan 2012, 00:52
by crusader
Only two percent of people have IQs of at least 130, and 50 points is a massive difference.

If a person has an IQ of 180 they possess one of the most brilliant minds on earth.

Re: Eubanks says Jones Jr wouldn't fight him?

Posted: 03 Jan 2012, 07:30
by tonyevs
crusader wrote:Only two percent of people have IQs of at least 130, and 50 points is a massive difference.

If a person has an IQ of 180 they possess one of the most brilliant minds on earth.

But thats only an opinion anyways..

Theres another opinion that says IQ tests prove very little of a persons intelligence.

So its a question of authority. Who`s opinion do you think carries more weight??

Re: Eubanks says Jones Jr wouldn't fight him?

Posted: 03 Jan 2012, 09:46
by Captain Hook
Well done to half of the lads on here for calling him EUBANK rather than EUBANKS...that gets the IQ scores up to the 120 mark :)

Re: Eubanks says Jones Jr wouldn't fight him?

Posted: 03 Jan 2012, 10:22
by nobby_nobbins
Captain Hook wrote:Well done to half of the lads on here for calling him EUBANK rather than EUBANKS...that gets the IQ scores up to the 120 mark :)
Quite true, although I think he may have started life with the S. His brothers, who were also pro boxers were EubankS. Benn of course, always called him Eubanks before their big fight, because he knew it annoyed him.

Re: Eubanks says Jones Jr wouldn't fight him?

Posted: 03 Jan 2012, 16:15
by Finn
Its hard to tell i remember him saying he wouldnt have fought toney unless he had too or the money was massive.

Roy Jones Jr certainly had no interest in fighting UK fighters though, i heard it was alot to do with tv contracts although he clearly steered clear of calzaghe as did hopkins.

Re: Eubanks says Jones Jr wouldn't fight him?

Posted: 03 Jan 2012, 17:01
by crusader
tonyevs wrote:
crusader wrote:Only two percent of people have IQs of at least 130, and 50 points is a massive difference.

If a person has an IQ of 180 they possess one of the most brilliant minds on earth.

But thats only an opinion anyways..

Theres another opinion that says IQ tests prove very little of a persons intelligence.

So its a question of authority. Who`s opinion do you think carries more weight??
I never said anything about intelligence, although many people argue that an IQ test is an accurate measure of it.

I think most authorities argee that IQ tests measure certain mental abilities, and someone who scores 180 has a tremendously brilliant mind in those respects. That's why so few people score so high.

If there is debate about whether IQ tests measure certain mental abilties I wasn't aware of it, and perhaps you could point me in the direction of some literature on the matter.

Re: Eubanks says Jones Jr wouldn't fight him?

Posted: 05 Jan 2012, 00:21
by Sweet P
Prime Roy Jones would have beaten Eubank with ease. I also doubt Roy would have avioded him.