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Posted: **12 Jan 2012, 21:16**

Does Pacquiao's phenomenal career, to this point, eclipse those of the following boxers...

Ray Leonard
Muhammad Ali
Marvin Hagler
George Foreman
Bernard Hopkins
Joe Louis

Purely achievements, who, if anyone, takes a backseat to Pacquiao?

Posted: **12 Jan 2012, 21:19**

I would place him only ahead of Foreman. Though I think you could make an argument for him over Hagler & Hopkins. The rest of them I think are clearly above him.

Posted: **12 Jan 2012, 21:25**

I can clearly see him over Hagler and Hopkins both.

Truth be told, I think you could make a case for him over every guy listed (though Im not sure I would).

Posted: **12 Jan 2012, 21:30**

I have Leonard, Ali & Louis in the 11-20 range.

Hopkins, Hagler & Pac would be 21-40 for me.

Foreman doesn't belong in this discussion for me.

Posted: **12 Jan 2012, 21:38**

Where do you suppose youd have a Foreman or a Pacquiao, Saad?

Posted: **12 Jan 2012, 21:42**

Goodnight, Irene wrote:Where do you suppose youd have a Foreman or a Pacquiao, Saad?

I guess Pac would hit right around 40 for me. Odd as it sounds, George would probably be close to him, 45-60ish. But there are cut off's on the tiers for me that could make someone 39 clearly over 41 in my view as retarded as that may sound.

Posted: **12 Jan 2012, 22:10**

Elmer just PM'd me to say he doesnt rate any of those guys in his top-100

Posted: **12 Jan 2012, 22:16**

Goodnight, Irene wrote:Elmer just PM'd me to say he doesnt rate any of those guys in his top-100

Posted: **12 Jan 2012, 22:20**

Of course, nobody has ever seen his oft-mentioned top-100, but I can only presume it is Roberto Duran's name written a hundred times at this point.

Posted: **12 Jan 2012, 22:25**

Goodnight, Irene wrote:Of course, nobody has ever seen his oft-mentioned top-100, but I can only presume it is Roberto Duran's name written a hundred times at this point.

I imagine the rest is stuff like Tommy hearns at 154, BUT NOWHERE ELSE!

Elmer doesn't have a top 100 anyway, just a not 100.

Posted: **12 Jan 2012, 22:29**

Duran 1-99, #100 is, "Anybody but Oscar."

Posted: **12 Jan 2012, 22:33**

Goodnight, Irene wrote:

Duran 1-99, #100 is, "Anybody but Oscar."

Oscar might squeeze in. I've taken a sabbatical from blogging, but I think I might throw a top 100 together.

Posted: **12 Jan 2012, 22:35**

Let us know if you do!

Posted: **12 Jan 2012, 22:55**

Goodnight, Irene wrote:Let us know if you do!

I'll reserve a few

for you when Tommy makes the top 25.

Posted: **13 Jan 2012, 03:36**

BarryWashington wrote:Pacquiao at

Minimumweight : Nothing of note
Light-Flyweight : N.O.N.
Flyweight : Chatchai Sasakul (very good win), loses by KO to Medgoen Singsurat
Super-Flyweight : N.O.N.
Bantamweight : N.O.N.
Super-Bantamweight : Lehlo Ledwaba (very good win)
Featherweight : Marco Antonio Barrera (awesome win), Draw against Juan Manuel Marquez (I had Pacquiao winning by 1 point)
Super-Featherweight : Morales II (decent win - think Morales by then wasn't the same fighter as he was in the first bout and forget even mentioning the third), Juan Manuel Marquez II (great win), Barrera II (decent win)
Lightweight : David Diaz (decent win)
Light Welterweight : Ricky Hatton (very good win)
Welterweight : Miguel Cotto (decent win), Joshua Clottey (decent win), Juan Manuel Marquez III (I scored that 116-112 for JMM)
Light Middleweight : N.O.N.

Overall, he has a great resume and will for sure go down as one of the greatest fighters of all-time.

I don't have an official list, but, I would assume that I would rank Manny (on a p4p list) over : Hopkins, Foreman, Louis.

Leonard & Hagler I'm not sure about and Ali I believe I would rank higher than Manny.

Manny has going up in weight and being able to fight at top level on his side where as the other guys mentioned only did great in one-two divisions.

I would say Pacquiao was at his best (resume wise) from 126-130. It's very difficult to say exactly how I would go about ranking a lot of fighters due to so many factors, but, I could see someone ranking Hearns over Pacquiao and I don't believe I would have a problem w/it.

Manny over Joe Louis is a bit of a stretch, i would have thought.

Posted: **13 Jan 2012, 05:53**

Pac, Marquez, Morales, Barrera

Are the 4 Kings of today. Pac came out on top. He's also moved through the weights beating increasingly bigger fighters. I think you can make a case for him to be anywhere in that list and you could make a decent argument of it.

Posted: **13 Jan 2012, 16:10**

BarryWashington wrote:
Boilermaker wrote:
Manny over Joe Louis is a bit of a stretch, i would have thought.
You may be right, but, at this point in time I am favoring Manny being able to succeed at top level in multiple weight divisions compared to Joe's greatness at HW.

Next week I may have a new opinion.

I rate Louis over everyone in question.

Posted: **13 Jan 2012, 16:16**

Pacquaio achieved more than Hagler?

Geez I didn't realise he cleaned out a division before even winning a championship, in an era when a division was full of top tier fighters rather than well past it bloated ones

Posted: **13 Jan 2012, 17:05**

He's ahead of Foreman. You could argue Hopkins as well. Honestly, if you're just talking what they achieved on paper, you could argue Hagler also. I don't think he's a better fighter than any but Foreman, though.

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