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Art Aragon versus Mando Ramos

Posted: 13 Jan 2012, 20:47
by Bobby A.
Who wins and why?

Re: Art Aragon versus Mando Ramos

Posted: 15 Jan 2012, 16:47
by raylawpc
I'd take Ramos by decision (assuming Aragon could make 135), but I'd like to hear kikibalt's (Frank Baltazar's) take on this one since he saw both numerous times in their primes. Frank?

Re: Art Aragon versus Mando Ramos

Posted: 15 Jan 2012, 17:14
by kikibalt
Mando I think was the better all round fighter, But Art was the stronger fighter by far. At 135 I think Mando beats Art by decision, at 140 I see Art as too strong for Mando, at 140 Art by decision.

Re: Art Aragon versus Mando Ramos

Posted: 15 Jan 2012, 17:18
by raylawpc
kikibalt wrote:Mando I think was the better all round fighter, But Art was the stronger fighter by far. At 135 I think Mando beats Art by decision, at 140 I see Art as too strong for Mando, at 140 Art by decision.
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Re: Art Aragon versus Mando Ramos

Posted: 15 Jan 2012, 17:36
by Bobby A.
Frank: At his best, how good was Aragon?

Re: Art Aragon versus Mando Ramos

Posted: 15 Jan 2012, 18:03
by kikibalt
Bobby A. wrote:Frank: At his best, how good was Aragon?
Art was a good fighter, nothing close to been a great fighter. Very strong and a very good puncher with a BIG heart..And he was a BIG playboy!!...There two or three of his fights on YT....I seen most if not all of his big fights live, starting in 1949 to his last fight 1960.

Re: Art Aragon versus Mando Ramos

Posted: 15 Jan 2012, 19:32
by Bobby A.
Is it fair to say that Aragon was on a level with Arturo Gatti?

Re: Art Aragon versus Mando Ramos

Posted: 15 Jan 2012, 19:49
by kikibalt
Bobby A. wrote:Is it fair to say that Aragon was on a level with Arturo Gatti?
No, imo he was better then Gatti.

Gatti was a human punching bag Aragon was not.

Re: Art Aragon versus Mando Ramos

Posted: 15 Jan 2012, 20:03
by kikibalt
I remember seeing Art stopped a still very good Enrique Bolanos twice in 1950. The same Enrique Bolanos who would had been lightweight champion had it not been for Ike Williams...Btw I seen all 3 Bolanos/Williams fight live, the first one been in 1946.

Re: Art Aragon versus Mando Ramos

Posted: 15 Jan 2012, 21:14
by Bobby A.
Frank: Did you see Aragon against Billy Graham?

Re: Art Aragon versus Mando Ramos

Posted: 15 Jan 2012, 22:14
by kikibalt
Bobby A. wrote:Frank: Did you see Aragon against Billy Graham?
Yes, I'd see that fight. I believe it was in early '53. Graham out boxed Art to win the fight. Art had trouble with boxers.

Re: Art Aragon versus Mando Ramos

Posted: 15 Jan 2012, 22:34
by Bobby A.
How about Aragon's fights with Don Jordan, Frank? What type of bouts were they?

Re: Art Aragon versus Mando Ramos

Posted: 15 Jan 2012, 23:01
by kikibalt
Bobby A. wrote:How about Aragon's fights with Don Jordan, Frank? What type of bouts were they?
Both fight in 1955 if memory serves. I remember Aragon as been to strong for a young Jordan in both fights. Arrgon won going away in what were good fights.