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Just got thinkin of this hypothetical. How various scenarios would likely turn out,as in,the various versions of Larry Holmes. The pre champ version that went at it for 15 rounds with Ken Norton in 1978 and won by 1 point SD, The early days version of Holmes during his title reign,like,the one that methodically picked apart Scott Ladoux en route to a 7th rd tko, to the more refined version of Holmes,the one who picked apart Leon Spinks in 3 rounds,the one who battled,boxed,brawled and slugged his way to a 13th rd tko against The deadly punching Gerry Cooney,the one that quickly dismantled deer in the headlights version of Marvis Frazier, The version that lost to Mike Spinks , and the version of Holmes in the 2nd Mike Spinks fight,which he undoubtably should've been recrowned. Then,onto the later versions of Holmes. The Tyson fight version of Holmes, The Mercer fight version of Holmes, and then,just for laughs,finally,The Butterbean fight version of Holmes.

Personally,I could only see Morrison definately beating The Butterbean version of Holmes,the 52 year old version. I think even the 42 year old version of Holmes from The Mercer fight would find a way to scrape out a decision,i really think based on styles that Morrison would've given this version of Holmes a bit more trouble overall than what his conqourer Mercer managed to do,which was basically practically nothing,but that was a Mercer akin to the version of himself in that draw he had with that 7-14 fighter(whats his name ). Still,i see Morrison doing quite better than Mercer did during that time against Holmes.

I think the version of Holmes from the Cooney fight would methodically dismantle and bust up Morrison pretty similiar to what Lennox Lewis did against Morrison,something like a 6th rd tko,maybe an 8th rd tko. The version of Holmes from the 1978 Ken Norton bout would probably stay in boxer mode and win by late rd tko or landslide decision,yeah,i could actually see Morrison going the distance against that version of Holmes,the less refined version. The more careless reckless versions of "The still learning version" of Holmes from the Shavers and Weaver fights in 1979 just might hit the deck early on against Morrison,but rally to get a dramatic looking ko around the 10th or 11th, and I think the 1980 version of Holmes that tko'd Scott Ladoux in 7 would be in for a bit of a fight for a good 6 rounds or so as well.

These versions of Holmes werent refined and explosive enough and generally slow starting so i actually see Morrison doing suprisingly well against Holmes until he'd fight the 1982 version of Larry. I honestly dont see any version of Larry Holmes blowing out Morrison in the 1st round like he did against Marvis Frazier,that is unless Morrison would be in one of his complete reckless swinging for the seats gunning for a 1st rd ko mode. I think Morrison generally speaking would obviously be very respectfull and knowledgable enough of Holmes's overall abilities and extraordinary credentials and would never underestimate any version of Larry Holmes. I could see Morrison making decent to pretty good opposition against the 78-81 versions of Holmes,not so good against the 82-85 versions of Holmes and then pretty good again against the 88 version of Larry,the Tyson victim version,and then quite competitive against the 1992 Mercer fight version of Holmes.

Like i stated,i really dont see Holmes having an explosive enough style to just downright blow out Morrison in 1 or 2 rounds,that just generally wasnt Holmes's style,he generally preffered to box,much like Ali. And i actually could definately see Morrison catching the 1979 reckless learning phase Holmes early and putting a bit of a scare into em in the early going.

Morrison couldn't possibly win a round against Holmes. Why not muse about such classics as Duran/Haugen or Hearns/Spinks?

fantastic matchup. Man if Tommy boy had come along 7-8 years earlier him and Holmes in 1985 would have been a great fight for boxings profile.! Lol lets say Tommy had starred in rocky 3 and not 5! lets say he was undefeated and it was the foreman fight version stepping in the ring! Larry would have cleaned up financially!

Holmes by utter embarassment

dempseyfire wrote:Holmes by utter embarassment

This

Poor Tommy. Another example of a fighter who had nothing but "yes" people surrounding him. A white American heavyweight with power and OK skills in an era when that didn't exist, had the world by the balls and couldn't keep it together. I hope he finds a way to live his late years with some peace, but I think we hear about it ending sadly for him in the not too far off future.

Holy shit, Morrison is black now?

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Holy shit, Morrison is black now?

Not sure if you are joking because of how bad he looks or if you are joking because you don't think that is really him in the picture...but just in case...that seriously is him from a few months ago.

It is him. I was stunned when it came out a few months back. It took some convincing.

jrc26 wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Holy shit, Morrison is black now?

Not sure if you are joking because of how bad he looks or if you are joking because you don't think that is really him in the picture...but just in case...that seriously is him from a few months ago.

I'm joking because he looks like someone that should be on Sanford and Son. He really looks like a feeble old black, insensitive as that may read.

Given Tommy's take on blacks, Im sure he'd be put out by that remark

Tommy's take on blacks? What does that mean?

I know he rejected the 'white hope' label calling it old fashioned thinking, and referred to Floyd Patterson as his favourite fighter to watch.

Good fighter Tommy but vs a peak Holmes I'm guessing the obligatory Holmes KO7.

Morrison was quoted as saying blacks werent so tough once you hurt them, showed them who was boss.

Fair enough - never seen that remark but given the overall picture of Morrison it's pretty safe to say he doesn't look at blacks as a lesser form of life.

Sad to see people here mocking his appearence, given he is battling a serious drug addiction and has a very serious illness.

I havent mocked him myself, but I have NO time for addicts --- they dig their own hole and are more often than not the scum of the Earth.

Maybe the people mocking him reserve their sympathies for more worthy people.

Wow you're a harsh judge, to say the least.

loaded_gloves wrote:Wow you're a harsh judge, to say the least.

Well, that's one way of putting it.

loaded_gloves wrote:Wow you're a harsh judge, to say the least.

Not at all.

Nothing harsh about expecting someone to lie in the bed they made.

Giancarlo wrote:

loaded_gloves wrote:Wow you're a harsh judge, to say the least.

Well, that's one way of putting it.

loaded_gloves wrote:Fair enough - never seen that remark but given the overall picture of Morrison it's pretty safe to say he doesn't look at blacks as a lesser form of life.

Sad to see people here mocking his appearence, given he is battling a serious drug addiction and has a very serious illness.

He is another junkie criminal in and out of prison. The US is full of them, why should I have sympathy for a guy who was afforded more of an opportunity in life than the rest of them combined?

I can't say I wish him ill will, but his plight wouldn't cause me to lose a wink of sleep.

loaded_gloves wrote:Wow you're a harsh judge, to say the least.

Not really. Most addicts are irredeemable and would sell their own mother to score. Most of them are entirely to blame for their predicament but they are very adept at lying to get sympathy and money. If an addict tells you something it is most likely a lie, people are way to gullible and ready to excuse substance abusers. I know the drunk and the junkie and I don't waste my time on them.

hhaehre wrote:

loaded_gloves wrote:Wow you're a harsh judge, to say the least.

Not really. Most addicts are irredeemable and would sell their own mother to score. Most of them are entirely to blame for their predicament but they are very adept at lying to get sympathy and money. If an addict tells you something it is most likely a lie, people are way to gullible and ready to excuse substance abusers. I know the drunk and the junkie and I don't waste my time on them.

Thank you.

I'm not sure I agree with most junkies being the root of thier own problems. I personally know ex junkies who have become productive folks.Each of the ex junkies I know were molested as young children. I try to never judge because i know many have had horrific childhood

scallum wrote:I'm not sure I agree with most junkies being the root of thier own problems. I personally know ex junkies who have become productive folks.Each of the ex junkies I know were molested as young children. I try to never judge because i know many have had horrific childhood

When we run from reality based on it's harshness, it remains our personal decision to run.
For the most part, if we have our intellectual capacities intact, we must assume resonsiblity for ourselves.
That of course means different things to different people.

Some of us are perhaps forgiving while reminding us of our genuine responsiblity. Some may consider this is "harsh judgment".

Some of us look the other way, perhaps manufacturing "reasons" which some would call excuses for such DECISIONS regarding our personal behavior.

If we engage in that manner, we enable such decisions to continue unquestioned, unexamined, and do others no good service. Such behavior does not inspire anyone to "transcend their blues." Something I feel we are all responsible to attempt, I.M.H.O.

That said, one's "bedside manner" in communicating this can mean all the difference in the world as to just how productive one may be in "empowering" the "victim" to "rise above" their decisions. The decisions that have reaped them the consequences of their own actions.

That's my nickel ninety-eight on the subject.

I agree to with the above statements each human whom has full capacity has to eventually take ownership in ones own well-being. For 14 years I worked with ex- cons trying to be productive members of society. Some of the folks I know had been thru the most inhumane conditions I had heard of and still they wanted to be good people. This experience taught me to never judge