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Some of the fiasco's I've seen over the last year and saturday night's farcical promotion have led me to ask this question.
Plus too many cards full up with either too many corporate fights or complete mis-matches.
A few examples of what I've witnessed live at shows in N.Z. Last febuary, James Uoka officially giving 14 pounds to Monty Filimaea (when it looked closer to 28) on his professional debut and predictably get Ko'd in the 1st. Prince Hamid kneeing his opponent Serge Yannick thai boxing style and pushing the referee several times (although after his display sat night, I feel his pain.) in a main event. Rohit Singh's complete farce of a career, I've seen him 'fight' twice now and neither time have I witnessed a punch and his opponents have gone down like they've been hit with a sledgehammer and then miraculously jumped up smiling once the count has reached ten.
Add these to Sonny Boy 'fighting' a 43 year old on disability benefit and 40 bucks pay per view.
And finally saturday night : first up Jermone Terico-Ofisa Vili. Although game how did Terico get a license to box he looked like he'd never been near a boxing ring before, no technique - all the heart in the world was never going to get him to even round two. Next up Rohit (nuff said). third 'fight' 47 year old American import Billy Wright versus 48 year old American import Harry Funmaker for the interim PABA heavyweight title. Both fighters and the title were completely laughable, is New Zealand boxing really struggling so much that it has to bring over two old,fat and unfit Americans to fight for a title that has clearly been made up the day before? Predictably it finished in the first round when one of the old chaps tripped over his belly. And finally the main event which was a cracking fight ruined by poor officiating and a sulky African who had enough and just walked out of the ring. Shame he was well ahead on the scorecards, oh actually forgot this is N.Z he was incredibly down on 2 of the scorecards.
I've decided to give it one more go, probably not the best choice of events but SBW fight with Clarence Tillman on wednesday week. I'd like to have a hundred dollar bet on Tillman because I think SBW is to raw but I'll have to find out who the judges will be first.
Finally....... There are a few bright sparks (very few) Robbie Berridge has had a great 12 months with a couple of great displays over the tasman, Viatele Soi is still unbeaten but needs to step it up a bit Lee Oti and Isaac Peach always seem to be in 'wars' and CTP Promotions assures me that Anthony Taylor is the next big thing.

Boxing in NZ is a sport thats under Rugby, Soccer, League and Basketball. NZ has a population of 4 million, that is all. The majority of NZ men play those sports mentioned above. Before NZ even take the field, the ring, the court...their are already disadvantaged in terms of numbers, unless of course they're playing a country with a lesser population like Samoa. The odds are stacked against them to come up with a good team or bunch of athletes in any sport.

Is Boxing in NZ broken?....what do you expect?.....its just a small country where Boxing is not everyones favourite sport.

I agree NZ is a small country. NSW Alone has a greater population and Victoria is about the same.

Typically NZ does better in the heavier divisions and this could be largely to their being a larger population of Pacific Islanders and Maori. As a group also Pacific Islanders and Maori make a large percentage of NZ's boxing population.
NZers strength in the heavier divisions shows thru them being the dominant divisions for Olympic qualification /selection 1984 Kevin Barry jr (81kg) Michael Kenny (91kg)
1992 Trevor Shailor (LightWelter) Sililo Figota (lightmiddle) David Tua (heavyweight)
1996 Garth Dasilva (heavyweight) Paea Wolfgram (91+ represented Tonga)
2000 Angus Shelford (Superheavy)
2004 Soulan POwnceby (LightHeavy)
Alot of top amateurs from NZ typically never turn professional. This is slowly starting to turn around.

Reece Papuni and Jake Rapira are two top amateur light heavies turning pro this year and will add to a strong bunch of NZ based Light heavies which include undefeated boxers Robbie Berridge (12-0) Warren Fuiava (15-0) Soulan Pownceby (19-0)
Exciting prospects for the future Joseph Parker and Junior Fa both superheavies.

So let me get this straight because New Zealand is a small country it produces shoddy shows,corrupt officiating,complete mis-matches, bad sportsmanship and also needs unfit old guys to fly halfway round the world to try and entertain us. O.K got it now. The population was 4 million when I moved here 10 years ago, it's atleast 4.5 now with over one and a half million in Auckland.

dont think its buggered yet,boxing is goin thru a lull in a lot of countries,it will pick up again,i do think that people r wake'n up to the mundine's etc and r turning away in droves realising they r getting ripped off, but nz has some good honest prospects as well as us, boxing will survive

yeah too many shit shows with shit match ups, jacked up fights and cash for titles officialism, too many crooked fixers who will put their tongue in a bucket of shit for their 50 cents and put up some toilet paper belt...so yeah, couple that with never give a sucker a break attitude. It's painful sometimes to digest but what to do... Farsical but what to do.Either that or don't bother going to the shows. Save up and go for a Saturday night movie with popcorn....

yid14 wrote:So let me get this straight because New Zealand is a small country it produces shoddy shows,corrupt officiating,complete mis-matches, bad sportsmanship and also needs unfit old guys to fly halfway round the world to try and entertain us. O.K got it now. The population was 4 million when I moved here 10 years ago, it's atleast 4.5 now with over one and a half million in Auckland.

There must be two million plus In Zidders living in OZ.

The Raw Prawn wrote:

yid14 wrote:So let me get this straight because New Zealand is a small country it produces shoddy shows,corrupt officiating,complete mis-matches, bad sportsmanship and also needs unfit old guys to fly halfway round the world to try and entertain us. O.K got it now. The population was 4 million when I moved here 10 years ago, it's atleast 4.5 now with over one and a half million in Auckland.

There must be two million plus In Zidders living in OZ.

Hmmmmmm?? I'll check with Centerlink tomorrow

Rogue wrote:yeah too many shit shows with shit match ups, jacked up fights and cash for titles officialism, too many crooked fixers who will put their tongue in a bucket of shit for their 50 cents and put up some toilet paper belt...so yeah, couple that with never give a sucker a break attitude. It's painful sometimes to digest but what to do... Farsical but what to do.Either that or don't bother going to the shows. Save up and go for a Saturday night movie with popcorn....

Agreed.
LEts face it NZ professional boxing needs to come together and have only 1sanctioning body. MAybe that would help. As for Saturdays show that was promoted by Chauncy and funded thru his people. So in effect an American show in NZ.
There certainly is enough talent in NZ in particular the heavier divisions, but I guess they all getting lost in the bullshit.

The Raw Prawn wrote:

yid14 wrote:So let me get this straight because New Zealand is a small country it produces shoddy shows,corrupt officiating,complete mis-matches, bad sportsmanship and also needs unfit old guys to fly halfway round the world to try and entertain us. O.K got it now. The population was 4 million when I moved here 10 years ago, it's atleast 4.5 now with over one and a half million in Auckland.

There must be two million plus In Zidders living in OZ.

Isn't Bondi the capital of New Zealand?

Brute quoted: "Isn't Bondi the capital of New Zealand?"

For sometime the Kiwis have gone upmarket by decamping Bondi for the excitement of Manly's late closing hours.

yes it's broken, all of the match ups are disgraceful, some are kidding themselves if they think they're receiving a world class apprenticeship. And they're cashing in the public's patience, tolerance and hard earned cash. In business 1 of the basic core values should always be repeat business, this in Newzealand is not the case, that's why Mundine is back in Newzealand He's coming for your cash now NZ .

Keep making noise, about 4 years a go, Australians were calling out for decent match-ups or events to take place here. The last year and half in Australia i've been very satisfied with the events that are on offer, and with the level of competition stepping up, crowds are coming back, more televised events and more exposure for our fighters have increased. Thus leading to a lot of title shots for Australians.
Still to my surprise Mundine with the exception of 2 fights on his undercard; Travis walker vs Leapai & Aloua vs Sam, they're all club fights being charged as a PPV and the stink lingers for weeks after 1 of Boxa's events.

Refuse to pay or go, as a lot of people started to do here..."give us what we want, or we'll close you down by ignoring you".

agree with most of wat u said dawg,cept it aint dead yet, hopefully nz will wake up to mundine and his crew quicker than oz, i still think there is enough good ppl in the boxin game to keep it goin and to it grow back to where it was

not dead yet,there is a pulse.the question is ppv or free to air.every time i turn on the box i find myself turning away because there's mma cage fights you name it.the only boxing i get is espn friday night fights,thats at 1am.every kid that walks into the gym wants to either kick it,elbow it or hug it.i don't know how many time i've told a kid either fight on your feet,not with them or f#$%k off,you want to hug someone go talk to your rugby coach.that's the bottom line this is an individuale sport,it's all about you .take the challenge nz you call yourselfs a nation of warriors,silence your critics

yep,not a fan of watchin 2 goanna's mating, wasnt that long ago it was considered cowardly to kick a man when he was down,now its a 'sport'. if u havnt got the skill or intelligence to stand up and work ur opponent out,go fight mma etc etc

Boxing is one sport that picks it's self back off the floor and NZ boxing for it's own good, will inevitably do so, once the greed of the Mundine/Dunny Bill caravan moves on!

Beltane wrote:Boxing is one sport that picks it's self back off the floor and NZ boxing for it's own good, will inevitably do so, once the greed of the Mundine/Dunny Bill caravan moves on!

Yep, the Caravan has been their once before, fucked NZ boxing in one foul swoop. But managed to donate HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS to the Christchurch earthquake appeal. That greedy fuckin Dunny only gave 100,000. dollars of his own money. We all know Aussie boxers give much more than that to charities every week.

hearns wrote:

Beltane wrote:Boxing is one sport that picks it's self back off the floor and NZ boxing for it's own good, will inevitably do so, once the greed of the Mundine/Dunny Bill caravan moves on!

Yep, the Caravan has been their once before, fucked NZ boxing in one foul swoop. But managed to donate HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS to the Christchurch earthquake appeal. That greedy fuckin Dunny only gave 100,000. dollars of his own money. We all know Aussie boxers give much more than that to charities every week.

Nice one donated 100 grand to charity, put on a sh1t show though. It's dead, Shane Cameron commonwealth Cruiserweight champ fighting for charity aswell 6x2's..... Just want my 30 bucks worth. Is that so wrong?

Mate it was a charity fight night for the Christchurch earthquake victims, who did you expect to see Pacman v Mayweather.

As for the SBW V Tillman night, you know your boxing, have a look at the card and don't support it. It really is that simple.

Your comments about shoddy shows,corrupt officials,complete mis matches etc......... happens in every country where pro boxing exists large or small.
Always has and aways will.

say wat u like,but the fact is,its a sh#t card, its not in the interest of boxing,just a $ show