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...a great old fighter who appears to be shot, can pull together one last great performance.

As the addage goes.

What are some examples?

Corbett against Jeffries (1st fight).

Frazier against Ali (3rd fight).

Foreman against Holyfield.

Holmes against either Mercer or Holyfield.

Jofre against Legra & Saldivar.

Whitaker against De La Hoya.

Patterson against Ellis (robbed of being the first triple-champ at HW).

Barrera against Marquez.

Duran against Barkley.

Mosley against Margarito.

Duran/Camacho
Hearns/Nate Miller

hopkins/pavlik
loved the way hopkins took away pavliks right hand and took him to school

I thought about mentioning Hopkins against Pavlik too, but has Hopkins ever really been considered SHOT, as opposed to merely past-prime?

Same reason I didnt mention Walcott against Marciano (first fight).

Norton against Holmes is another, IMO.

Throw in Holyfield against Tyson (1st fight) & Lewis (2nd fight), as well.

How on Earth could I forget Leonard against Hagler!?

Pep over Saddler is another.

Rachman v Sithmorseng from last year

Bob Fitzsimmons over George Gardiner

Chacon v Limon IV and Chacon v Boza-Edwards II.
With hindsight it's hard to see how anyone would write off Bobby Chacon, but Limon seemed to have his number over 3 previous fights and Edwards totally dominated him.

Morales v Maidana.
Hearns v Virgil Hill.
James Toney v Vassily Jirov.
Can I have J.C Chavez v Oscar De La Hoya II? Have not seen this for a very long time, but I do remember Chavez doing better than expected.

Edwards beat Bobby again as far as I'm concerned.

Your namesake vs mercer is a good one if we're dipping below the great level.

Cant see how Chavez could be said to have pulled off a GREAT effort in his rematch with De La Hoya.

Goodnight, Irene wrote:Cant see how Chavez could be said to have pulled off a GREAT effort in his rematch with De La Hoya.

Me either, better or surprising would be acceptable. Oscar still kicked his ass.

How about Schmeling against Joe Louis?
Is it fair to say that Schmeling was considered shot, or was he just underestimated?
It would not be fair to even think about this era of heavyweights and not mention Bradddock against Corn Griffin and John Henry Lewis.
Surely anyone with half a brain knew that Braddock was not shot after these wins, even if Baer didn't.

Debatable.

Im not sure if Schmeling was shot or just over-the-hill, but I dont consider him great, really.

witherspoon wrote:How about Schmeling against Joe Louis?
Is it fair to say that Schmeling was considered shot, or was he just underestimated?
It would not be fair to even think about this era of heavyweights and not mention Bradddock against Corn Griffin and John Henry Lewis.
Surely anyone with half a brain knew that Braddock was not shot after these wins, even if Baer didn't.

Schmeling was not considered "shot" when he fought Louis in 1936. He had had three impressive wins in Germany preceding the Louis fight against Paulino Uzcudin, Steve Hamas, and Walter Neusel. These fights proved Schmeling had something left, but nobody expected him to beat Louis.

Goodnight, Irene wrote:...a great old fighter who appears to be shot, can pull together one last great performance.

As the addage goes.

What are some examples?

Corbett against Jeffries (1st fight).

Frazier against Ali (3rd fight).

Foreman against Holyfield.

Holmes against either Mercer or Holyfield.

Jofre against Legra & Saldivar.

Whitaker against De La Hoya.

Patterson against Ellis (robbed of being the first triple-champ at HW).

Barrera against Marquez.

Duran against Barkley.

Mosley against Margarito.

I wouldnt classify Foremans performance against Holyfield as "great" it was great in the eyes of the layman for a 40 something who had been written off by most of the American boxing media. But Foreman could have won that fight. Equally considering what he had been Holmes looked pitiful, fat and out of shape against Holyfield. The "shot" Holmes of 85-86 would have pulled out the win and seeing him puke at the end of a relatively medium paced bout was sad when u thought of the hard finish to Holmes-Norton in 78. But the Duran-Barkley and Mosley -Margarito fights are the definition of a old fighter putting in a great performance worthy of their prime.

Eder Jofre, at the age of 37, winning the Featherweight title against Jose Legra after last holding the Bantamweight belt 7 years previously.

Tatsuyoshi vs. Sirimongkol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6u_77LrI2g

Benn vs McClellan
Gomez vs Arthur

mugabi wrote:

Goodnight, Irene wrote:...a great old fighter who appears to be shot, can pull together one last great performance.

As the addage goes.

What are some examples?

Corbett against Jeffries (1st fight).

Frazier against Ali (3rd fight).

Foreman against Holyfield.

Holmes against either Mercer or Holyfield.

Jofre against Legra & Saldivar.

Whitaker against De La Hoya.

Patterson against Ellis (robbed of being the first triple-champ at HW).

Barrera against Marquez.

Duran against Barkley.

Mosley against Margarito.

I wouldnt classify Foremans performance against Holyfield as "great" it was great in the eyes of the layman for a 40 something who had been written off by most of the American boxing media. But Foreman could have won that fight. Equally considering what he had been Holmes looked pitiful, fat and out of shape against Holyfield. The "shot" Holmes of 85-86 would have pulled out the win and seeing him puke at the end of a relatively medium paced bout was sad when u thought of the hard finish to Holmes-Norton in 78. But the Duran-Barkley and Mosley -Margarito fights are the definition of a old fighter putting in a great performance worthy of their prime.

I know Foreman didnt get especially close to winning, but what you described was exactly the context I was looking at it in. Ditto for Holmes.

Even Mosley COULD be debated when you think about it, on account of Margarito being really badly drained, not that good a fighter to begin with, and a bit distracted Im sure from the wraps scandal. Id still have it up, but Im just illustrating most can be debated.

Heres a solid one for Mosley, come to think of it --- the Cotto bout.

Michael Carbajal V Jorge Arce

Tommy Hearns V Virgil Hill

Virgil Hill V Fabrice Tiozzo

Ketchel wrote:Michael Carbajal V Jorge Arce

Tommy Hearns V Virgil Hill

Virgil Hill V Fabrice Tiozzo

Three beautiful examples, right there.

To the well, again...

.......I get a good feeling........

How about Pernell vs Trinidad? I think most though the Murderous punching Trinidad would make short work in this fight? I was suprised how well Pernell yperformed