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...was, let's not forget, easily the best anyone's fought against either Klitschko since Lennox Lewis (well, excepting Lamont Brewster the first time around against Wlad, although his performance mostly consisted of getting smashed in the face until little bro mysteriously fell to pieces at the end of round 5). He showed an excellent beard (maybe Tyson Fury's not so feather-fisted as we believed), not a bad defence (sure, he ate quite a few shots, but ducked and slipped a hell of a lot too) and a decent workrate, not to mention some excellent body work in there. Most of all, he fought with courage; he never stopped coming forward and throwing shots.

On the negative side, he neglected his jab for much of the fight, which was proving very effective against the taller fighter when he bothered to use it, especially to the body. He also didn't seem to throw a single straight right the entire fight, relying on looping shots which often fell short when klitschko was able to keep his distance. A few straight shots mixed up there might have been the thing to catch klitschko leaning back. And dear Lord, I wish he could punch a bit harder, he might have been able to wear down his opponent more effectively if those body shots had had a bit more pop on them.

People talk about his 3 recent losses like it's a mystery that anyone should rate Chisora now, but let's be honest - he turned up against Fury in woeful shape thanks to his hernia, he battered Helenius and totally deserved the decision, and he pushed Vitali far, far harder than any opponent since Lennox Lewis (forget those bullshit scorecards, a fairer score would have been 8-4 Klitschko or something like that). Where do people feel he rates on the world scene now? Has to be Top 5 or 10, surely.

As a fighter I think Del Boy has earnt respect! He has the balls and the fitness to put up the best challenge in a long time. A little bit more of a game plan and a couple of adaptations I think he could beat him in a rematch.

More straight punches from behind the jab could have won him a couple more rounds, as when he was working the body jab he was getting the better of the exchanges. More combinations off that jab would have worked a treat, instead of the 'one punch' hunt he pursued for much of the fight.

Hindsight is a great thing of course, but I genuinely think with the display of balls and chin Chisora showed against Klit in his own backyard, mixed with his ability to duck and weave, he deserves to stay at the top. As far as loosing to Fury the British and Commonwealth belts were a gift from Chisora to Fury, turning up so out of shape and slow, for whatever reason aint going to keep you those belts. As for Helenius, well in my mind that was a win, so no real problems to consider there.

I think a fairer score would have been 8-4 or possibly 7-5 if you consider the continual pressure Chisora applied in some of the closer rounds.

I'd like to see Chisora fight the looser of Povetkin vs Huck to line him up for a shot at WBA in a couple fights. Del Boy very much needs a win over a decent world contender. If he can keep his license of course!

He put up a good fight and took some good shots, could've jabbed more because the couple of times he did it worked well .He had inactive periods and still lost most of the rounds add to that Vitali was the worst I've seen him for a while, he'd left his jab in the dressing room and back peddled the whole fight.

Very good for a novice. Excellent chin and engine, strong willed, technique not terrible, power not great, but plenty to work on. I'd back him to beat Fury and Price at this stage on that and the Helenius performances.

Glyn Leach wrote:Very good for a novice. Excellent chin and engine, strong willed, technique not terrible, power not great, but plenty to work on. I'd back him to beat Fury and Price at this stage on that and the Helenius performances.

Glyn I have bet with you Price beats him! Fury already has.

Glyn Leach wrote:Very good for a novice. Excellent chin and engine, strong willed, technique not terrible, power not great, but plenty to work on. I'd back him to beat Fury and Price at this stage on that and the Helenius performances.

I agree - he's done amazingly well given his limited experience. I was screaming at him to jab his way in, but other that I think he was impressive and he surely will have learned a lot from fighting at this level. My major concern with him though is his lack of speed. Vitali said he could see all his punches coming and I believe him. Chisora can improve his technique but I don't see how he can get faster? I suppose the type of looping right hand he likes to throw is easier to read than a straight one, but if his hands are just fundamentally slow then he's stuffed.

leforge wrote:

Glyn Leach wrote:Very good for a novice. Excellent chin and engine, strong willed, technique not terrible, power not great, but plenty to work on. I'd back him to beat Fury and Price at this stage on that and the Helenius performances.

Glyn I have bet with you Price beats him! Fury already has.

If they meet within the next year, you're on - and that wasn't the real Chisora in with Fury, his recent performances show that. A fit one would run Fury out of the ring.

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leforge wrote:

Glyn Leach wrote:Very good for a novice. Excellent chin and engine, strong willed, technique not terrible, power not great, but plenty to work on. I'd back him to beat Fury and Price at this stage on that and the Helenius performances.

Glyn I have bet with you Price beats him! Fury already has.

If they meet within the next year, you're on - and that wasn't the real Chisora in with Fury, his recent performances show that. A fit one would run Fury out of the ring.

I was there too support Chisora that night he let me down come in so heavy. He would beat Fury now, Fury now fighting Rogan which seems a step backwards.
All depends on how long Chisora gets banned for, but I back Price!

i was impressed he never got KO'd.

Vitali injured his left shoulder and couldnt jab from the 2nd round onwards. He was also much slower than Chisora, and even then he still outboxed del.

I give Del Boy 2 rounds at best. Dont overrate Chisora for this performance, he did OK considering who he was fighting. But he still loses to guys like Haye or Povetkin.

MachoMan09 wrote:Vitali was clearly injured, his left was ineffective for the vast majority of the fight. I also believe he is beginning to show his age.

Chisora positives: he was game enough, is certainly resilient, and demonstrated a decent work-rate. Negatives: he lacks power and is fairly uncultured. He was easily outpointed by an ageing, injured champion and is what he is i.e. a top level domestic operator/euro challenger who was very fortunate to get his shot.

Good analysis..... I think it is important to emphasis that he was fighting a one arm aging fighter.

I thought his performance against Helenius.... who isn't near as good as Vitali, but at least had two working arms was better. I think experience was a key factor, against Helenius he let it all hang out and needed breathers in some rounds - against Klitchsko he tried to pace himself more, but maybe he could have thrown more in those key rounds.

Klitchsko wasn't nearly as sharp as he was against Adamek. I think the arm injury was a massive massive hinderance.

desperados wrote:i was impressed he never got KO'd.

Vitali injured his left shoulder and couldnt jab from the 2nd round onwards. He was also much slower than Chisora, and even then he still outboxed del.

I give Del Boy 2 rounds at best. Dont overrate Chisora for this performance, he did OK considering who he was fighting. But he still loses to guys like Haye or Povetkin.

It's hard not to over rate Chisora on that performance, as strange as that sounds! Everyone thought he would get decimated.

Vitali might have been injured but I also think he is there for the taking. Not been particularly impressed since he has returned. Beaten a run of nobodies who were generally only there for the pay packet. Del boy differed in the fact he came to win, that's what people are tgiving him props for his attempt.

Always said he was the easier fight for Haye out of the brothers and Saturday night just confirmed that for me. Right now, Wlad is way out in front on his own.

Chisora is hard to rank. He beat the overhyped Helenius but the Finn claimed an injury, and despite what some say, he didn't batter him either. It was close. Fury beat Chisora easily, and even if Del boy came in that night in shape I still think he would have lost to that Fury.

Del Boy put forth a credible performance especially considering the gulf in experience.

The good

Del cut off the ring well, when he jabbed to the body he looked very good, he showed good physical strength, clever defence enabled him to get in close, good body punching, he again also demonstrated a good chin.

The bad

Looping right hands aren’t going to work against Vitali, all Vitali has to do is straighten his arm and the punch will bounce off his arm/shoulder Del needed throw the right hand straight. Also Del needed to let his hands go more.

Also Corrie Sanders gave Vitali his toughest fight post Lewis.

yiddo14 wrote:

desperados wrote:i was impressed he never got KO'd.

Vitali injured his left shoulder and couldnt jab from the 2nd round onwards. He was also much slower than Chisora, and even then he still outboxed del.

I give Del Boy 2 rounds at best. Dont overrate Chisora for this performance, he did OK considering who he was fighting. But he still loses to guys like Haye or Povetkin.

It's hard not to over rate Chisora on that performance, as strange as that sounds! Everyone thought he would get decimated.

Vitali might have been injured but I also think he is there for the taking. Not been particularly impressed since he has returned. Beaten a run of nobodies who were generally only there for the pay packet. Del boy differed in the fact he came to win, that's what people are tgiving him props for his attempt.

Always said he was the easier fight for Haye out of the brothers and Saturday night just confirmed that for me. Right now, Wlad is way out in front on his own.

Chisora is hard to rank. He beat the overhyped Helenius but the Finn claimed an injury, and despite what some say, he didn't batter him either. It was close. Fury beat Chisora easily, and even if Del boy came in that night in shape I still think he would have lost to that Fury.

i agree with what your saying but i disagree with the part about Vitali being more suited to Haye.

Wlad has demonstrated before hes a flapper and a little chinny when taking flush HW shots. Haye on the other hand has demonstrated that he can be got at even at Cruiser with a 41yr old Thomson putting him in cookoo land and Mormeck flooring him.

Perhaps father time has caught up wit Vitali, but Vitali anywhere near his best i think could eat Hayes shot all night given his unbelievable chin (im sure no-one would contend that an full on uppercut from Lewis is much harder to withstand a 'hayemaker' - especially considering Haye landed a flurry flush barefisted straights on Don Charles at the weekend and even he kept comign forward). I also beleive firmly that Vitali hits alot harder than Wlad and takes far more risks in coming forward. Wlad was disapointing vs Haye give how defensive he was, but i guess thats been the key to his success since turning his career around after a few losses. I think the only thing stopping a clear KO win for Vitali vs Haye would be father time, and that woudl be sad to watch - i'd rather see Vitali hang 'em up after saturdays performance & injury.

Im sure Haye would do much better vs Wlad second time around, and i reckon Chisora vs Wlad would be a great fight! Right now id love to see Vitali retire and vacate his title, with Haye vs Chisora fighting for it - with a clause in the contract to a unification bout with Wlad for ALL the belts.

chisora lacks power, and seriously lacked a jab!!..with these 2 assets he could be heavyweight champion of the world now, its easy for him to rectify one part of this problem.

Chisora gave Vitali one tough fight in there, don't think there is many HW's who would beat him atm

Chisora could do with fighting a Chagaev type of guy now...

big enough name to get Del Boys respect and attention, but on the slide and very beatable.

Look chisora did well but realistically it just showed that his problem isnt his movement, skills, speed, endurance, durablilty, conditioning - its his power! at the top level its very poor for a heavy weight. All the experience and training in the world will not effect that.

He will only ever be a contender, he may gain a title but he will never be a long raining champion or undisputed. However that in its self is a massive acheivement and something only a few have done.

Price bets any heavyweight in Britain in my opinion eAsily too, never seen a Heavyweight train like him, I Also think he beats vitali on his last performance

I thought he looked clueless, on the whole.

Alright, he kept lumbering forward and landing with the odd swing, but besides that he looked an area level fighter.

If his performance was better than most of Vitali's other opponents. I am very glad i didnt see them.

Chisora surpised me. Vitali is slipping but i didn't think Chisora would make him that uncomfortable. He can definitely make some improvements too. His feet are too slow and plodding. He needs to learn to bob and weave more consistantly and make his punches more compact.

desperados wrote:

yiddo14 wrote:

desperados wrote:i was impressed he never got KO'd.

Vitali injured his left shoulder and couldnt jab from the 2nd round onwards. He was also much slower than Chisora, and even then he still outboxed del.

I give Del Boy 2 rounds at best. Dont overrate Chisora for this performance, he did OK considering who he was fighting. But he still loses to guys like Haye or Povetkin.

It's hard not to over rate Chisora on that performance, as strange as that sounds! Everyone thought he would get decimated.

Vitali might have been injured but I also think he is there for the taking. Not been particularly impressed since he has returned. Beaten a run of nobodies who were generally only there for the pay packet. Del boy differed in the fact he came to win, that's what people are tgiving him props for his attempt.

Always said he was the easier fight for Haye out of the brothers and Saturday night just confirmed that for me. Right now, Wlad is way out in front on his own.

Chisora is hard to rank. He beat the overhyped Helenius but the Finn claimed an injury, and despite what some say, he didn't batter him either. It was close. Fury beat Chisora easily, and even if Del boy came in that night in shape I still think he would have lost to that Fury.

i agree with what your saying but i disagree with the part about Vitali being more suited to Haye.

Wlad has demonstrated before hes a flapper and a little chinny when taking flush HW shots. Haye on the other hand has demonstrated that he can be got at even at Cruiser with a 41yr old Thomson putting him in cookoo land and Mormeck flooring him.

Perhaps father time has caught up wit Vitali, but Vitali anywhere near his best i think could eat Hayes shot all night given his unbelievable chin (im sure no-one would contend that an full on uppercut from Lewis is much harder to withstand a 'hayemaker' - especially considering Haye landed a flurry flush barefisted straights on Don Charles at the weekend and even he kept comign forward). I also beleive firmly that Vitali hits alot harder than Wlad and takes far more risks in coming forward. Wlad was disapointing vs Haye give how defensive he was, but i guess thats been the key to his success since turning his career around after a few losses. I think the only thing stopping a clear KO win for Vitali vs Haye would be father time, and that woudl be sad to watch - i'd rather see Vitali hang 'em up after saturdays performance & injury.

Im sure Haye would do much better vs Wlad second time around, and i reckon Chisora vs Wlad would be a great fight! Right now id love to see Vitali retire and vacate his title, with Haye vs Chisora fighting for it - with a clause in the contract to a unification bout with Wlad for ALL the belts.

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dookus wrote:...was, let's not forget, easily the best anyone's fought against either Klitschko since Lennox Lewis (well, excepting Lamont Brewster the first time around against Wlad, although his performance mostly consisted of getting smashed in the face until little bro mysteriously fell to pieces at the end of round 5). He showed an excellent beard (maybe Tyson Fury's not so feather-fisted as we believed), not a bad defence (sure, he ate quite a few shots, but ducked and slipped a hell of a lot too) and a decent workrate, not to mention some excellent body work in there. Most of all, he fought with courage; he never stopped coming forward and throwing shots.

On the negative side, he neglected his jab for much of the fight, which was proving very effective against the taller fighter when he bothered to use it, especially to the body. He also didn't seem to throw a single straight right the entire fight, relying on looping shots which often fell short when klitschko was able to keep his distance. A few straight shots mixed up there might have been the thing to catch klitschko leaning back. And dear Lord, I wish he could punch a bit harder, he might have been able to wear down his opponent more effectively if those body shots had had a bit more pop on them.

People talk about his 3 recent losses like it's a mystery that anyone should rate Chisora now, but let's be honest - he turned up against Fury in woeful shape thanks to his hernia, he battered Helenius and totally deserved the decision, and he pushed Vitali far, far harder than any opponent since Lennox Lewis (forget those bullshit scorecards, a fairer score would have been 8-4 Klitschko or something like that). Where do people feel he rates on the world scene now? Has to be Top 5 or 10, surely.

Chisora needs to get in even better shape by losing another 10 pounds. Its a shame eddie futch and many of those kind of trainers are no more. Chisora would do well with that kind of guy. Tim witherspoon could teach him his overhand right, and he needs to watch the Joe Frazier tapes.
Chisora has a hell of a lot of potential, but thats what it is right now. If he can work really hard in the gym for the next 12 months and stay active. I think he is than ready to give Vitali or Wlad a really really hard fight.

mugabi wrote:

dookus wrote:...was, let's not forget, easily the best anyone's fought against either Klitschko since Lennox Lewis (well, excepting Lamont Brewster the first time around against Wlad, although his performance mostly consisted of getting smashed in the face until little bro mysteriously fell to pieces at the end of round 5). He showed an excellent beard (maybe Tyson Fury's not so feather-fisted as we believed), not a bad defence (sure, he ate quite a few shots, but ducked and slipped a hell of a lot too) and a decent workrate, not to mention some excellent body work in there. Most of all, he fought with courage; he never stopped coming forward and throwing shots.

On the negative side, he neglected his jab for much of the fight, which was proving very effective against the taller fighter when he bothered to use it, especially to the body. He also didn't seem to throw a single straight right the entire fight, relying on looping shots which often fell short when klitschko was able to keep his distance. A few straight shots mixed up there might have been the thing to catch klitschko leaning back. And dear Lord, I wish he could punch a bit harder, he might have been able to wear down his opponent more effectively if those body shots had had a bit more pop on them.

People talk about his 3 recent losses like it's a mystery that anyone should rate Chisora now, but let's be honest - he turned up against Fury in woeful shape thanks to his hernia, he battered Helenius and totally deserved the decision, and he pushed Vitali far, far harder than any opponent since Lennox Lewis (forget those bullshit scorecards, a fairer score would have been 8-4 Klitschko or something like that). Where do people feel he rates on the world scene now? Has to be Top 5 or 10, surely.

Chisora needs to get in even better shape by losing another 10 pounds. Its a shame eddie futch and many of those kind of trainers are no more. Chisora would do well with that kind of guy. Tim witherspoon could teach him his overhand right, and he needs to watch the Joe Frazier tapes.
Chisora has a hell of a lot of potential, but thats what it is right now. If he can work really hard in the gym for the next 12 months and stay active. I think he is than ready to give Vitali or Wlad a really really hard fight.

But the stay active part of the argument could fall down subject to Chisora's hearing with the Board of Control in relation to his antics in Munich before and after the fight. As for the fight itself he did alot better than I thought he would do I will admit that as I thought he would struggle to get inside Vitali K's long reach,. But he did scored a considerable amount of success when he went to the body. However he was coming forward in straight lines so Vitali was able to read his attacks quite well though, had he used some more angles he would have given more problems to Vitali and needed to work the jab more and gave Vitali's his roughest nights since the Lennox Lewis and Corrie Sanders fight where he got rocked pretty badly in both fights, and Lewis cut him to ribbons

Was very good in my opinion.. He did great, just a shame no one will remember it! that pressed will be all that fight is remembered for which is so sad IMHO...

Bomber 1 wrote:Was very good in my opinion.. He did great, just a shame no one will remember it! that pressed will be all that fight is remembered for which is so sad IMHO...

It was indeed I was quite surprised when I heard the scorecards of 118-110 twice and 119-111 as I had it 116-112 on my card so I might have to watch that again and rescore it when I watched on Youtube, but it is very good performance against a tough, powerful and experienced World Champion in Vitali K and I agree with you Bomber that it is a terrible shame that his antics pre and post fight have generated more headlines than during the fight.

As for David Price he is an utter beast combining power and skill with a punishing left jab and powerful right hand that he throws over the top of it and right hook that can easily end a fight and I think he could be a world champion.