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Larry Merchant was quoted calling Antonio Margaritos last opponent Hercules Kyvelos a 'nobody' but Antonio deserves respect for beating a guy who came in with a 22-0 record, & had came off a good win over Enir Julio after a 16 month lay-off

Julio of course is Jawaid Khaliq's next opponent on Saturday & you cant tell ol' boy McCoy that if Jawaid wins he doesnt deserve any respect

Also, Hercules was tough(hell he had to be growing up with a nickname like that ) & will probably go on to do well in the future, proving that this actually was a good win for Antonio

As McCoy walks bare arsed into the sunset...

The REAL McCoy wrote:Larry Merchant was quoted calling Antonio Margaritos last opponent Hercules Kyvelos a 'nobody' but Antonio deserves respect for beating a guy who came in with a 22-0 record, & had came off a good win over Enir Julio after a 16 month lay-off

Julio of course is Jawaid Khaliq's next opponent on Saturday & you cant tell ol' boy McCoy that if Jawaid wins he doesnt deserve any respect

Also, Hercules was tough(hell he had to be growing up with a nickname like that ) & will probably go on to do well in the future, proving that this actually was a good win for Antonio

As McCoy walks bare arsed into the sunset...

Margarito's a tough guy. He, like Joe Calzaghe, is too good for his crummy WBO title. He is the only man to have beaten Sergio Martinez (stopped in seven). I'd like to see more of him.

I heard HBO were very critical of the two fights last sat night but at least they took em out asap and din't carry em for 8/9 rounds. Anyway its their own fault for making the fights.

Agreed on Margarito. Heard really good things about this kid and I reckon he is the best welter walking at the moment.
Had a bundle on him to beat Hercules and have to admit I though the Canadian would prove toughter.
BUT, I reckon it was more a case of the Mexican being sensational than Hercules being a bum.
Was a bit disappointed with the way Jim Brady slagged him off 'after the event' in the same publication that just a week before claimed Hercules would give Antonio all the mither he could handle.

TheGoods wrote:Agreed on Margarito. Heard really good things about this kid and I reckon he is the best welter walking at the moment.
Had a bundle on him to beat Hercules and have to admit I though the Canadian would prove toughter.
BUT, I reckon it was more a case of the Mexican being sensational than Hercules being a bum.
Was a bit disappointed with the way Jim Brady slagged him off 'after the event' in the same publication that just a week before claimed Hercules would give Antonio all the mither he could handle.

Did you get good odds on Margarito?

TheGoods wrote:I reckon it was more a case of the Mexican being sensational than Hercules being a bum.

Exactly!

I love Magarito, I think he could prove to be the best welterweight out there given the chance.

God knows why nobody on the Ringside Special last week gave any particular mention to a Mayorga v Magarito showdown. It's such a bloody natural. Sure it would mean another King/Arum deal but it's been done before and when you've got 2 Latin hardmen squaring off there's shit loads of $$$ to be made for everyone.

I too like Margarito and is too good for the WBO belt, I think he'd be a little slow for Spinks and Forrest, but would probably be to strong for Mayorga (I think he would take his punches well). Margarito showed a heart of a lion for his display against Diaz, although Diaz form since that bout has been questionable.

Bennie, depends what you mean by "good". Margarito was 1/5 which some people would find ridicuouls. BUT, given his pedigree and the questions marks surrounding Hercules going in it was easily the 'banker' bet of 2004 to date. Betting odds-on is not eveyone's cup of tea but it can be lucrative if you do your research and don't simply steam into big favourites just for the sake of it.

TheGoods wrote:Bennie, depends what you mean by "good". Margarito was 1/5 which some people would find ridicuouls. BUT, given his pedigree and the questions marks surrounding Hercules going in it was easily the 'banker' bet of 2004 to date. Betting odds-on is not eveyone's cup of tea but it can be lucrative if you do your research and don't simply steam into big favourites just for the sake of it.

Yes, I've heard it's the only way to really skin the bookies. I remember reading about one guy who bet huge amounts on Naz in his prime.

Yes the Mexican is an excellent fighter - talk about a no prisoners style of fighting.

I'd stupidly predicted Margario to win in around 8 rounds - then I was looking at the two of them before the opening bell, and started wondering what the hell I'd been thinking - against 6 heads and Diaz he came out like an express train - and old Hercules was looking a bit nervous in there.

He did the job in style and I hope he gets a few big paydays before he's through. I reckon ODH will steer well clear of him.

Can you imagine a fight betwen him and Mayorga! Don King is being a bit slow here.

Incidentally, I might stick a few quid on Garry Delaney against big Enzo later this month. Enzo is going to struggle the first time someone takes him past the early rounds. Delaney could be that man...

bennie wrote:Incidentally, I might stick a few quid on Garry Delaney against big Enzo later this month. Enzo is going to struggle the first time someone takes him past the early rounds. Delaney could be that man...

Delaney is big and strong and with a decent pedigree down at Light Heavy. Will he have the handspeed/desire to compete though?

TerribleTerry wrote:

bennie wrote:Incidentally, I might stick a few quid on Garry Delaney against big Enzo later this month. Enzo is going to struggle the first time someone takes him past the early rounds. Delaney could be that man...

Delaney is big and strong and with a decent pedigree down at Light Heavy. Will he have the handspeed/desire to compete though?

True. Enzo in Wales ain't gonna be easy for anyone. But two first round knockouts in his last two fights, spells danger for the Welshman more than Delaney in my reckoning. Perverse-sounding, perhaps. But I've seen it so many times before. David Haye, for example, entered the Lolenga Mock fight off two first round knockouts.

Would agree Bennie. For me fighters banging people out early all the time is not ALWAYS a good thing.
I have always said that Smith and Tucker taking Tyson the long route almost certainly helped his longevity at the top level.
The fact is SOME fighters, who are banging people out for fun, don't take their sport or their training as seriously as a result (roadwork etc).
Hamed is a classic example.
Ask yourself this, would you clean your balls in quite the same way if you were meeting your mate for a pint than if you were meeting a lass you have been sweet on for some time?
Same rules apply.
Not saying Enzo is definitely like that but it is a possibility.
I just hope for the good of British Boxing that Enzo turns up with shiney and clean balls in a few weeks, though may also have a few quid on Delaney if the odds are daft enough.

TheGoods wrote:I have always said that Smith and Tucker taking Tyson the long route almost certainly helped his longevity at the top level.

Eaxactly. Tyson learned so much in those distance fights in 1987 and we all saw what a fighter he was in 1988 as a result: sharp, vicious and at his peak. I remember when Tony Tubbs tried to smother him as Bonecrusher had done, Tyson nearly ripped his head off with uppercuts in close.
But 1989 in contrast saw the Bruno maul, a quick win over Carl Williams and out of the ring troubles. He entered the Douglas fight woefully unprepared as a result.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, the fighter who has boxed the most 'live' rounds leading up to a big fight, tends to win. It's not rocket science.

I understand your reasoning guys, but I don't think it's going to happen in the Enzo-Delaney fight for two main reasons:
1) Enzo seems to be an intelligent boxer who studies the game and seems fully aware that he needs to prepare for each fight on the basis that it may well go 12 rounds. I can't see him cutting too many corners, particularly at this stage of his career.
2) Delaney has never impressed me and I certainly don't think he's the man to extend Enzo in the sense of threatening to beat him, though I agree that he'll be around till the later rounds.