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Greatest Fighters under 135lbs?
Posted: 17 Mar 2012, 03:51
by Prediction...Pain
My boxing knowledge is much noob level in all areas but when it comes to the smaller guys I am really lacking. Who are the best guys under 135lbs ever?
Re: Greatest Fighters under 135lbs?
Posted: 17 Mar 2012, 06:34
by Tinnie
I've heard that in his day many contemporaries considered Eder Jofre one of the p4p greats, a few other names...
Fighting Harada
Fidel LaBarba
Young Griffo
Willie Pepp
Kid Chocolate
George Dixon
Vincente Saldivier
Alexis Arguello
Ruben Olivares
Sal Sanchez
Lionel Rose
Howard Winstone
Pancho Villa
Johnny Famechon
Wilfredo Gomez
Re: Greatest Fighters under 135lbs?
Posted: 17 Mar 2012, 07:03
by Brute
Never forget Henry Armstrong. He was a World Featherweight Champion who held the Welterweight title at the same time.
Re: Greatest Fighters under 135lbs?
Posted: 17 Mar 2012, 12:40
by iamasadlittleboy
Ricardo Lopez and Khaosai Galaxy need including in every topic like this.
Re: Greatest Fighters under 135lbs?
Posted: 17 Mar 2012, 13:31
by beaujack
Brute wrote:Never forget Henry Armstrong. He was a World Featherweight Champion who held the Welterweight title at the same time.
And Abe Attell
Johnny Dundee
George Dixon
Terry McGovern
Re: Greatest Fighters under 135lbs?
Posted: 17 Mar 2012, 17:39
by Tinnie
Nice list there Barry
Great to see a shout out for guys like Midget Wolgast, Newsboy Brown, Frankie Genaro, Kid Kaplan and Bushy Graham. All seriously good fighters that seem to go under the radar somewhat.
Im gonna throw Battling Battalino's name out there too.
Re: Greatest Fighters under 135lbs?
Posted: 18 Mar 2012, 01:18
by Jaclem
...it took too long before sandy saddler was listed. he should have been in the first group. lots of good names here...so many in fact i can't think of anybody under 135 who WASN'T named.
Re: Greatest Fighters under 135lbs?
Posted: 18 Mar 2012, 14:58
by King Carlos
BarryWashington wrote:Ricardo Lopez
Rosendo Alvarez
Eagle Kyowa
Roman Gonzalez
Oleydong Sithsamerchai
Yoko Gushiken
Jaime Rios
Jung-Koo Chang
Leo Gamez
Myung-Woo Yuh
Humberto Gonzalez
Michael Carbajal
Luis Estaba
Melchor Cob Castro
Hilario Zapata
Miguel Canto
Midget Wolgast
Pascual Perez
Pone Kingpetch
Efren Torres
Santos Benigno Laciar
Betulio Gonzalez
Shoji Oguma
Jackie Brown
Newsboy Brown
Hiroyuki Ebihara
Frankie Genaro
Masao Oba
Jimmy Wilde
Pancho Villa
Gilberto Roman
Sung-Kil Moon
Jiro Watanabe
Jesus Rojas
Masamori Tokuyama
Khaosai Galaxy
Celes Kobayashi
Alimi Goitia
Alberto Castro
Hiroshi Kawashima
Bebis Rojas
Eder Jofre
Fighting Harada
Kid Williams
Carlos Zarate
Memphis Pal Moore
Bud Taylor
Bushy Graham
Jeff Chandler
Rodolfo Martinez
Veeraphol Sahaprom
Manuel Ortiz
Rueben Olivares
Chucho Castillo
Rafael Herrera
Joe Medel
Panama Al Brown
Wilfredo Gomez
Wilfredo Vazquez
Kennedy McKinney
Daniel Zaragoza
Junior Jones
Martin Castillo
Gerry Penalosa
Rafael Marquez
Israel Vazquez
Willie Pep
Sandy Saddler
Vicente Saldivar
Kid Chocolate
Naseem Hamed
Ray Famechon
Sugar Ramos
Davey Moore (original one)
Abe Attell
Johnny Kilbane
Chalky Wright
Baby Arizmendi
Terry McGovern
Louis Kid Kaplan
Ernesto Marcel
Jose Legra
Howard Winstone
Johnny Famechon
Azumah Nelson
Alexis Arguello
Rocky Lockridge
Samuel Serrano
Tony Lopez
Flash Elorde
Diego Corrales
Genaro Hernandez
Hiroshi Kobayashi
Kuniaki Shibata
Jesse James Leija
John John Molina
Alfredo Escalera
Brian Mitchell
Bobby Chacon
Rafael Limon
Probably more that I forgot about
Some odd picks in there, eh? Do you really consider all of these guys great? Some of them weren't even especially good.
Re: Greatest Fighters under 135lbs?
Posted: 18 Mar 2012, 15:03
by SaadOffTheDeck
And even on a list as long as Barry's, too long for the moniker great, the perpetually underrated Fidel LaBarba gets no love.
And for the love of God, Morales, Barrera & Marquez need their just due.
Re: Greatest Fighters under 135lbs?
Posted: 18 Mar 2012, 15:04
by SaadOffTheDeck
King Carlos wrote:BarryWashington wrote:Ricardo Lopez
Rosendo Alvarez
Eagle Kyowa
Roman Gonzalez
Oleydong Sithsamerchai
Yoko Gushiken
Jaime Rios
Jung-Koo Chang
Leo Gamez
Myung-Woo Yuh
Humberto Gonzalez
Michael Carbajal
Luis Estaba
Melchor Cob Castro
Hilario Zapata
Miguel Canto
Midget Wolgast
Pascual Perez
Pone Kingpetch
Efren Torres
Santos Benigno Laciar
Betulio Gonzalez
Shoji Oguma
Jackie Brown
Newsboy Brown
Hiroyuki Ebihara
Frankie Genaro
Masao Oba
Jimmy Wilde
Pancho Villa
Gilberto Roman
Sung-Kil Moon
Jiro Watanabe
Jesus Rojas
Masamori Tokuyama
Khaosai Galaxy
Celes Kobayashi
Alimi Goitia
Alberto Castro
Hiroshi Kawashima
Bebis Rojas
Eder Jofre
Fighting Harada
Kid Williams
Carlos Zarate
Memphis Pal Moore
Bud Taylor
Bushy Graham
Jeff Chandler
Rodolfo Martinez
Veeraphol Sahaprom
Manuel Ortiz
Rueben Olivares
Chucho Castillo
Rafael Herrera
Joe Medel
Panama Al Brown
Wilfredo Gomez
Wilfredo Vazquez
Kennedy McKinney
Daniel Zaragoza
Junior Jones
Martin Castillo
Gerry Penalosa
Rafael Marquez
Israel Vazquez
Willie Pep
Sandy Saddler
Vicente Saldivar
Kid Chocolate
Naseem Hamed
Ray Famechon
Sugar Ramos
Davey Moore (original one)
Abe Attell
Johnny Kilbane
Chalky Wright
Baby Arizmendi
Terry McGovern
Louis Kid Kaplan
Ernesto Marcel
Jose Legra
Howard Winstone
Johnny Famechon
Azumah Nelson
Alexis Arguello
Rocky Lockridge
Samuel Serrano
Tony Lopez
Flash Elorde
Diego Corrales
Genaro Hernandez
Hiroshi Kobayashi
Kuniaki Shibata
Jesse James Leija
John John Molina
Alfredo Escalera
Brian Mitchell
Bobby Chacon
Rafael Limon
Probably more that I forgot about
Some odd picks in there, eh? Do you really consider all of these guys great? Some of them weren't even especially good.
You mean you don't recognize Celes Kobayashi as an ATG?
Re: Greatest Fighters under 135lbs?
Posted: 18 Mar 2012, 15:16
by King Carlos
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:King Carlos wrote:BarryWashington wrote:Ricardo Lopez
Rosendo Alvarez
Eagle Kyowa
Roman Gonzalez
Oleydong Sithsamerchai
Yoko Gushiken
Jaime Rios
Jung-Koo Chang
Leo Gamez
Myung-Woo Yuh
Humberto Gonzalez
Michael Carbajal
Luis Estaba
Melchor Cob Castro
Hilario Zapata
Miguel Canto
Midget Wolgast
Pascual Perez
Pone Kingpetch
Efren Torres
Santos Benigno Laciar
Betulio Gonzalez
Shoji Oguma
Jackie Brown
Newsboy Brown
Hiroyuki Ebihara
Frankie Genaro
Masao Oba
Jimmy Wilde
Pancho Villa
Gilberto Roman
Sung-Kil Moon
Jiro Watanabe
Jesus Rojas
Masamori Tokuyama
Khaosai Galaxy
Celes Kobayashi
Alimi Goitia
Alberto Castro
Hiroshi Kawashima
Bebis Rojas
Eder Jofre
Fighting Harada
Kid Williams
Carlos Zarate
Memphis Pal Moore
Bud Taylor
Bushy Graham
Jeff Chandler
Rodolfo Martinez
Veeraphol Sahaprom
Manuel Ortiz
Rueben Olivares
Chucho Castillo
Rafael Herrera
Joe Medel
Panama Al Brown
Wilfredo Gomez
Wilfredo Vazquez
Kennedy McKinney
Daniel Zaragoza
Junior Jones
Martin Castillo
Gerry Penalosa
Rafael Marquez
Israel Vazquez
Willie Pep
Sandy Saddler
Vicente Saldivar
Kid Chocolate
Naseem Hamed
Ray Famechon
Sugar Ramos
Davey Moore (original one)
Abe Attell
Johnny Kilbane
Chalky Wright
Baby Arizmendi
Terry McGovern
Louis Kid Kaplan
Ernesto Marcel
Jose Legra
Howard Winstone
Johnny Famechon
Azumah Nelson
Alexis Arguello
Rocky Lockridge
Samuel Serrano
Tony Lopez
Flash Elorde
Diego Corrales
Genaro Hernandez
Hiroshi Kobayashi
Kuniaki Shibata
Jesse James Leija
John John Molina
Alfredo Escalera
Brian Mitchell
Bobby Chacon
Rafael Limon
Probably more that I forgot about
Some odd picks in there, eh? Do you really consider all of these guys great? Some of them weren't even especially good.
You mean you don't recognize Celes Kobayashi as an ATG?
Well, Kobayashi, of course!
But seriously, some of those guys just weren't even worth mentioning. Fair play if he's plugging the names of underrated/overlooked fighters amidst the greats, but even then he's omitted guys who would've merited a mention at the expense of others who didn't.
Kyowa
Sithsamerchai
Rios
Gamez
Cob Castro
Jesus Rojas
Goita
Castro
Kawashima
Martin Castillo
Ray Famechon
etc.
These guys seem right out of place on this list, at the expense of a lot of other better fighters like Gustavo Ballas, Venice Borkhorsor, German Torres, Peter Kane, Yuri Arbachakov, etc. etc.
I'd like to see more footage of Luis Estaba. Didn't really know what to make of him based on the one fight I've seen, but I wasn't particularly impressed.
Re: Greatest Fighters under 135lbs?
Posted: 18 Mar 2012, 15:21
by SaadOffTheDeck
King Carlos wrote:SaadOffTheDeck wrote:King Carlos wrote:Some odd picks in there, eh? Do you really consider all of these guys great? Some of them weren't even especially good.
You mean you don't recognize Celes Kobayashi as an ATG?
Well, Kobayashi, of course!
But seriously, some of those guys just weren't even worth mentioning. Fair play if he's plugging the names of underrated/overlooked fighters amidst the greats, but even then he's omitted guys who would've merited a mention at the expense of others who didn't.
Kyowa
Sithsamerchai
Rios
Gamez
Cob Castro
Jesus Rojas
Goita
Castro
Kawashima
Martin Castillo
Ray Famechon
etc.
These guys seem right out of place on this list, at the expense of a lot of other better fighters like Gustavo Ballas, Venice Borkhorsor, German Torres, Peter Kane, Yuri Arbachakov, etc. etc.
I'd like to see more footage of Luis Estaba. Didn't really know what to make of him based on the one fight I've seen, but I wasn't particularly impressed.
I've never seen Estaba. He was on his run as I started collecting mags when I was a kid, but never saw him fight.
Re: Greatest Fighters under 135lbs?
Posted: 20 Mar 2012, 04:41
by Tinnie
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:the perpetually underrated Fidel LaBarba gets no love.
Have you seen any of LaBarba apart from the Kid Chocolate footage thats floating about??
keen as hell to see more if its out there
Re: Greatest Fighters under 135lbs?
Posted: 26 Mar 2012, 00:54
by AngryGoon38
BarryWashington wrote:King Carlos wrote:Some odd picks in there, eh? Do you really consider all of these guys great? Some of them weren't even especially good.
I don't consider of them great.
I was trying to list as many notable fighters from 105-130 as I could.
You made a great list overall but you left out Danny Lopez,Barrera,Junior Jones,Kennedy McKinney,Johnny Tapia, Eusubio Pedroza, Bernard Taylor,and Barry McGuigan.
Re: Greatest Fighters under 135lbs?
Posted: 26 Mar 2012, 01:16
by SaadOffTheDeck
Tinnie wrote:SaadOffTheDeck wrote:the perpetually underrated Fidel LaBarba gets no love.
Have you seen any of LaBarba apart from the Kid Chocolate footage thats floating about??
keen as hell to see more if its out there
I have not