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Posted: **28 Mar 2012, 15:52**

Interesting piece by pocketrocket this one. Not that the others aren't, you understand

http://news.boxrec.com/news/2012/boxing ... -mcphilbin

Posted: **28 Mar 2012, 16:01**

EVERY fighter deserves a fair shake, regardless of their pre or post fight conduct. McPhilbin was denied of this and it likely cost him a win, so I have sympathy for him.

It seems like Martin Dobbing would be sympathetic to Shane had he trained hard, lived clean, and expressed frustration with the result. However, even if Shane acted accordingly, the first round would have played out in the same way (i.e. with him being robbed of a first round KO), and so I fail to see why these should be preconditions for a sympathetic response.

Posted: **28 Mar 2012, 17:17**

I acknowledge all the way throught that Shane was robbed and say he deserves a rematch.

I have more sympathy for those fighters who live the life, hoping for that day in the sun but end up never achieveing their goals. I won't waste any heartache for a man who did not do everything he could to win and who barely seemed arsed at the end

Posted: **28 Mar 2012, 17:34**

the verdict was fair.

stopped reading at this point - fair... it couldn't have been any LESS fair.

imagine Mayweather lands a huge shot on Cotto and puts him down in the first, Cotto gets back to his feet, just, at the count of 8 or 9.... then the bell goes 47 seconds early.

Later on in the fight Cotto lands a jackpot punch and KO's floyd...

how many people would be saying that was fair? Somehow i think the fight would be instantly ruled a no contest, followed by some aggressive legal action from mayweather.

Posted: **28 Mar 2012, 17:40**

The scorecards were fair....That wasn't my point...and if you had read the rest you may have realised that I thought Shane was shafted.

Congratulations on reading the first paragraph and then feeling you know enough about the context of the piece to reply negatively

Posted: **28 Mar 2012, 17:42**

thepocketrocket wrote:I acknowledge all the way throught that Shane was robbed and say he deserves a rematch.
I have more sympathy for those fighters who live the life, hoping for that day in the sun but end up never achieveing their goals. I won't waste any heartache for a man who did not do everything he could to win and who barely seemed arsed at the end

I'm aware of the bolded text; I read and understood the article.

In my view, McPhilbin's training habits and post-fight attitude are irrelevant. He did what was necessary to secure victory in the opening round, only for it to be taken away from him. That was egregiously unjust, and therefore, I can't help but feel the slightest bit of sympathy for him.

I'm not sympathetic to fighters who hope for 'that day in the sun' but never experience it due to their own shortcomings. However, if they are robbed of such an experience which they merited through their performances, I would be sympathetic. I see the latter case as being analogous to the bout under discussion.

Posted: **28 Mar 2012, 17:55**

There is a differance between professional sympathy and personal sympathy. A man with a burning desire to succeed encourages more empathy than a guy who has a burning desire to get the fight done so he can pick up his beer money and get blammed.

That doesn't mean he doesn't deserve the victory....

Posted: **28 Mar 2012, 18:03**

So who exactly says shane didnt train properly ??????

I know for a FACT he trained more for this than any other fight so far , He took the fight for the honour of fighting someone hes been a fan of , for what was in my opinion not the greatest purse , it was his biggest pay day thus far but not even half of what the general concensus is for a british title challenger let alone the champion .

To think he somehow didnt deserve to win is a joke , ive not read the article but im extremely dissapointed that someone could actually try to shine shane in a negative light over this fight , even any negatives of the performance in the fight are outweighed by the fact he should have got the W in round 1 .

Before you say how can i comment without reading , theres enoughso far in the thread to get a general idea that you believe shane was in someway not deserving to win this due to the way he lives his life , if training your hardest for a fight isnt enough then i guess we should all pack up right now then .

Posted: **28 Mar 2012, 18:05**

He certainly deserved to win...

Posted: **28 Mar 2012, 18:07**

When Shane wakes up after his twelve day bender then he can tell us if he is hurting like a warrior or not....

I do re-itterate that the rematch MUST happen

Posted: **28 Mar 2012, 18:11**

thepocketrocket wrote:He certainly deserved to win...

well ive just read the article , and its pretty offensive and doesnt shed you in the greatest light to put it mildly ...

I will say something now that risks a bit of a backlash. I have no personal sympathy for the man himself. All we have ever heard since he won that title is how much he likes to drink. His ridiculous benders. Just before the fight he was talking about how he had missed out on Paddy's Day and would be making up for it big time afterwards. Even straight after the fight, when he had been told about the incident at the start he seemed nonplussed, said it was great to fight Enzo and proceeded to tell us about his next twelve day bender. Maybe if he spent less time drinking and more time training he would have been able to finish the job instead of looking like he had run fifteen marathons after just three rounds?

Boxing is full of people who plod the circuit hoping for that one day they can win a big title. 99% have their dreams dashed like waves against the rocks. When Max Maxwell was stopped early against Tom Doran last year he went into the changing rooms and cried. There were no talk of benders, this was his chance and, in his opinion he had been shafted. McPhilbin gets a chance most will never see and treats it as a joke. It was an awful spectacle.

Enzo has given us many great nights and he doesn't deserve to go out losing to someone like McPhilbin. If Maccarinelli continues, a rematch should happen, just because it is fair. But I will be supporting Enzo. The man lives and breathes the sport. It is always a man like him who should succeed.

Not a man who plays at it.

That my friend is biased Journalism at its worst .

How the eff do you know he didnt care , he hadnt watched the fight back yet so how was he to know he had been so badly screwed , the first he knew was when the interview mentioned it .

Oh and for the record it wasnt he knock down when he got the count , not that you included that part when mentioning he was knocked down

12 day benders is just talk , yes he likes a drink but eff me how can you take that as a serious comment .

Posted: **28 Mar 2012, 18:22**

He was informed by the interviewer bout the exact scenario that had taken place. His reaction was not that of a man whose lifes work had been torn away. It seemed laissez-faire. He may not be going on a twelve day bender, it may only just be four...but given the circumstances his reaction seemed half arsed.

Also there is no evidence that my work is biased as I have no axe to grind with either party

Posted: **28 Mar 2012, 18:26**

thepocketrocket wrote:There is a differance between professional sympathy and personal sympathy. A man with a burning desire to succeed encourages more empathy than a guy who has a burning desire to get the fight done so he can pick up his beer money and get blammed.

That doesn't mean he doesn't deserve the victory....

For me, injustice--even in a professional context-- is closely related to any kind of sympathy. I'm sure that McPhilbin preferred to win rather than lose (not just from a monetary perspective), and I'm sure that he would've benefited more, at least in the short term, had he won. Because he deserved to win and reap the benefits of victory, I feel for him a both as a boxer and a person.

I also find it tricky to disentangle the concepts of professional sympathy and personal sympathy. McPhilbin experienced injustice in a professional context, but this inevitably affects him in the personal realm. For example, his daughter is apparently his biggest fan and he doesn't want to let her down; his professional success has an impact at a much more personal level.

I'm also hesitant to conclude that he was indifferent about winning based on the comments you refer to. I've read several interviews with him leading up to the fight and he emphasizes that he is training very hard. Damian, who seems to be an insider, also confirms this. I doubt this would be the case if McPhilbin had no desire to win.

Posted: **28 Mar 2012, 18:34**

thepocketrocket wrote:He was informed by the interviewer bout the exact scenario that had taken place. His reaction was not that of a man whose life work had been torn away. It seemed laissez-faire. He may not be going on a twelve day bender, it may only just be four...but given the circumstances his reaction seemed half arsed.

Also there is no evidence that my work is biased as I have no axe to grind with either party

Didn't McPhilbin state that he stopped drinking in order to train, but planned to restart following the bout? To me that seems like he put his predilections aside in order to maximize his chances of winning, which is uncharacteristic of someone who is indifferent about his 'life work'.

Posted: **28 Mar 2012, 18:36**

Never said he had no desire to win. Course he wants to win. But a champion has that extra level where faliure isn't an option and defeat is crippling (which in turn makes them come back stronger)

When his pre fight and post fight comments were piss up related it makes me think that he doesn't possess the single minded drive that makes a champion.

I would love to be wrong...but watching, that is the impression you get

Posted: **28 Mar 2012, 18:41**

crusader wrote:
thepocketrocket wrote:He was informed by the interviewer bout the exact scenario that had taken place. His reaction was not that of a man whose life work had been torn away. It seemed laissez-faire. He may not be going on a twelve day bender, it may only just be four...but given the circumstances his reaction seemed half arsed.

Also there is no evidence that my work is biased as I have no axe to grind with either party
Didn't McPhilbin state that he stopped drinking in order to train, but planned to restart following the bout? To me that seems like he put his predilections aside in order to maximize his chances of winning, which is uncharacteristic of someone who is indifferent about his 'life work'.

And then there are the fighters who treat their body like a temple so they can maximise their chances of winning...differant strokes for differant folks

Posted: **28 Mar 2012, 18:51**

Hatton drank heavily between fights and got the results, can be a temple during training.

Posted: **28 Mar 2012, 19:52**

Casio wrote:Terrible article banging on about planes and stuff....

seemed to have a condescending tone about it to IMO. Not that it matters a great deal but what is the 'writers' achievement in the ring? or is it a typical journo who's never laced a glove??

Shane should still be the British champion regardless of his piss up comments made before and after the fight.

The plane crash bit did throw me a bit. As did the glorified journeyman tag. 10 fights with 2 losses hardly qualifies him as that.

Posted: **28 Mar 2012, 22:04**

thepocketrocket wrote:
crusader wrote:
thepocketrocket wrote:He was informed by the interviewer bout the exact scenario that had taken place. His reaction was not that of a man whose life work had been torn away. It seemed laissez-faire. He may not be going on a twelve day bender, it may only just be four...but given the circumstances his reaction seemed half arsed.

Also there is no evidence that my work is biased as I have no axe to grind with either party
Didn't McPhilbin state that he stopped drinking in order to train, but planned to restart following the bout? To me that seems like he put his predilections aside in order to maximize his chances of winning, which is uncharacteristic of someone who is indifferent about his 'life work'.
And then there are the fighters who treat their body like a temple so they can maximise their chances of winning...differant strokes for differant folks

True, but your article and initial posts suggest that you don't believe McPhilbin trained hard or took the fight seriously. However, he clearly engaged in self-abnegation by reducing or eliminating his alchohol consumption, signifing both dedication to training and a desire for victory. I don't, therefore, understand the criticism levied toward him on those fronts.

The referenced post fight events are irrelevant in my opinion; they don't change the fact that McPhilbin dedicated himself to training and wanted to win. Moreover, they occurred days/weeks after the bout and are unrelated to the injustice that transpired.

If you acknowledge that McPhilbin engaged in self-abnegation during training, then you're essentially saying that he was dedicated to training and wanted to win; he was about to win by first round KO; he was robbed of this result by egregious officiating; but he deserves no 'personal' sympathy because of his plans to drink following the bout when his fight schedule was blank. My take on the situation is no better than yours, but I'm having trouble looking at it from the same perspective. Different strokes for different folks I guess.

Posted: **28 Mar 2012, 22:39**

Shane is not a great 'talker' and his post-fight interview can be misinterpreted. Talking is definitely not his forte. He definitely wanted to win the fight and he is a genuinely nice guy who deserves another chance.

Shane trained really hard for this fight (the hardest he has ever trained) and really wanted to win. I was in his changing room for a couple of hours, walked him to the ring (no I wasn't in the Mr Blobby costume) and monitored his corner in between rounds. He gave it his best and will hopefully get a rematch or will get the chance to fight for the vacant title.

Posted: **29 Mar 2012, 01:35**

What as shane done to deserve a write up like that. What because he did not sit there shouting and screaming that he was robbed because he actually just done 12 rounds with a ex world champion who he gave volantary defance to when ths was only is 2nd time past 6 rounds. Shane had 11 pro fights and boxed in prizefighter for the midlands title and the british and then against enzo. Everybody on this site never had the fight going past 3 rounds against enzo. Your talking rubbish about someone you know nothing about have you wrote this up because chris goodwin not boxing at the min and you got nothing to write about? If u want to meet shane and see for yourself what he is like come of your high horse and meet him.

Posted: **29 Mar 2012, 03:20**

The Dark Destroyer wrote:Anything you offer an opinion on is biased because of you and your personal opinions, It's the same for everyone.

This. It's an opinion piece. Fair play to him for expressing his opinions despite them being contrary to the norm.

Posted: **29 Mar 2012, 03:58**

The Dark Destroyer wrote:Anything you offer an opinion on is biased because of you and your personal opinions, It's the same for everyone.

I agree - and have had many discussions on my theory that everybody is effectively prejudiced becaase we all "pre judge" everybody and everything based on our own individual personal circumstances, although most people I have discussed this with disagree ...........

Back on topic - I hope that McPhilbins next fight is for the Britich title (either against Enzo or TBA).

Posted: **29 Mar 2012, 04:14**

Shane won the title in mid January when he wasn't fit (he had been called in at late notice)

About two months later he is fighting Enzo with drinking in between. These were both scheduled twelve round fights....these are facts (Rafa Benitez style)

Now I don't believe for a second his body was at 100%

Do I believe he was boozing during camp? No I don't.... Do I believe that he would have trained hard? Yes I do.

My issue comes with the fact, or opinion should I say, that conditioning is a long term project. You need to be a well oiled machine, a coiled spring.

Shane has never have the natural gifts that his contepararies have. So he needs to be the most well conditioned of them all to cover some of his natural deficiancies.

Having the common sense to actually stop drinking during camp isn't going to give you that edge, certainly not him. He will still be fitter than all of us on here, I am not calling him a drunken bum...but at this level he has looked knackered for 19 of his 24 championship rounds and I believe there are things he can do to improve that. Not being a big drinker tops the list.

All respect to Shane for stepping into the ring ( I refuse to postcript any article with that, it's a gimme0 but i think Shane has more in his locker.

And if he wants to win that title, invite me to the pub and tell me to feck off he is welcome!

Posted: **29 Mar 2012, 04:16**

bripez wrote:
The Dark Destroyer wrote:Anything you offer an opinion on is biased because of you and your personal opinions, It's the same for everyone.
I agree - and have had many discussions on my theory that everybody is effectively prejudiced becaase we all "pre judge" everybody and everything based on our own individual personal circumstances, although most people I have discussed this with disagree ...........

Back on topic - I hope that McPhilbins next fight is for the Britich title (either against Enzo or TBA).

And so do I...a point that is being missed or ignored.

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