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Greatest Heavyweight

Posted: 29 Mar 2012, 11:42
by Ezzard
Not called Ali or Louis.

Who would you pick?

Re: Greatest Heavyweight

Posted: 29 Mar 2012, 12:51
by MEISINGER
larry holmes
next question please

Re: Greatest Heavyweight

Posted: 29 Mar 2012, 13:34
by dajuggernaut
Foreman by a cunt hair.

Re: Greatest Heavyweight

Posted: 29 Mar 2012, 13:35
by yancey
Joe Frazier.

He prevailed on the biggest stage in boxing history, against a truly great fighter at a time when both men were nearest their peaks and fully aware that this was THE moment.

Re: Greatest Heavyweight

Posted: 29 Mar 2012, 13:41
by addi
holmes.

Re: Greatest Heavyweight

Posted: 29 Mar 2012, 13:49
by Ambling Alp
There are several guys that you could go with; however I lean towards Foreman. He crushed Frazier and Norton. He did beat Lyle, though he almost lost. After that, there is a dropoff, though he beat some decent guys. The loss to Young is the biggest negative.

However, everyone else had negatives as well.

Re: Greatest Heavyweight

Posted: 29 Mar 2012, 13:53
by Syntax Error
On account of his success in two different eras, twenty years apart, it has to be George Foreman, although, curiously, I think Larry Holmes would have beaten him. :oops:

Re: Greatest Heavyweight

Posted: 29 Mar 2012, 14:07
by Crease
Rocky Marciano

Followed in any order: Frazier, Foreman, Dempsey, Johnson, Tyson

Re: Greatest Heavyweight

Posted: 29 Mar 2012, 14:22
by SaadOffTheDeck
Holmes

Re: Greatest Heavyweight

Posted: 29 Mar 2012, 14:29
by dempseyfire
Dempsey or Johnson

Re: Greatest Heavyweight

Posted: 29 Mar 2012, 16:22
by Goodnight, Irene
George Foreman is my #3 all-time Heavyweight.

Re: Greatest Heavyweight

Posted: 29 Mar 2012, 17:05
by Goodnight, Irene
Should have been a poll.

Early indications are Foreman (4 votes), & Holmes (3) will battle it out for the bronze.

Re: Greatest Heavyweight

Posted: 29 Mar 2012, 17:55
by raylawpc
Jeffries

Re: Greatest Heavyweight

Posted: 29 Mar 2012, 18:25
by Tomasino
I have it Louis, Ali, Foreman, Frazier.

Re: Greatest Heavyweight

Posted: 30 Mar 2012, 04:48
by Ezzard
I'd go Johnson then Holmes, followed by Dempsey and Frazier.

I think Foreman is getting really overrated. A great fighter with a great achievement of regaining the title but he seems to have a lot of shortcomings.

Re: Greatest Heavyweight

Posted: 30 Mar 2012, 05:57
by Goodnight, Irene
Ezzard wrote:I'd go Johnson then Holmes, followed by Dempsey and Frazier.

I think Foreman is getting really overrated. A great fighter with a great achievement of regaining the title but he seems to have a lot of shortcomings.
This is a common view of the man and, while not inaccurate, its a misleading picture --- the reality being there is very little all but a handful of great HW's couldve done to negate his strengths --- because Foreman's strengths, collectively, were extraordinarily effective.

Everyone complains about Foreman's technique, but very, very few men were ever able to adeptly combat the big man.

Re: Greatest Heavyweight

Posted: 30 Mar 2012, 06:16
by Ezzard
You’ve got to be special to beat him. But we’re talking about special fighters on this list.

It’s not just about H2H I know. But I can see a lot of the greats beating him.

For me 3rd or best of the rest just seems too much.

Re: Greatest Heavyweight

Posted: 30 Mar 2012, 10:44
by theone
Foreman gets my vote as well. H2H i have him at #2.

Re: Greatest Heavyweight

Posted: 30 Mar 2012, 10:53
by Ezzard
theone wrote:Foreman gets my vote as well. H2H i have him at #2.
Where do you have Jimmy Young?

Re: Greatest Heavyweight

Posted: 30 Mar 2012, 12:37
by MEISINGER
Ezzard wrote:
theone wrote:Foreman gets my vote as well. H2H i have him at #2.
Where do you have Jimmy Young?

:yay:

great comment.
foreman has the historical factor,winning the title 20 years later and so on.
but in my mind his biggest accomplishment in his forst career was getting out thought
by ali.
foreman was a bad man but not the 3rd best heavyweight of all time

Re: Greatest Heavyweight

Posted: 30 Mar 2012, 12:47
by Goodnight, Irene
MEISINGER wrote:
Ezzard wrote:
theone wrote:Foreman gets my vote as well. H2H i have him at #2.
Where do you have Jimmy Young?

:yay:

great comment.
foreman has the historical factor,winning the title 20 years later and so on.
but in my mind his biggest accomplishment in his forst career was getting out thought
by ali.
foreman was a bad man but not the 3rd best heavyweight of all time
Who was?

Just on the, "great comment," line, how many of us rate Douglas over Tyson?

Re: Greatest Heavyweight

Posted: 30 Mar 2012, 13:26
by Ambling Alp
The loss to Young has to be a factor against Foreman but you have to look at everyone's whole career. Foreman's win over Frazier was probably more impressive than anything that almost anyone else ever did. The blowout of Norton is underrated as well.

Re: Greatest Heavyweight

Posted: 30 Mar 2012, 13:32
by Syntax Error
Ambling Alp wrote:The loss to Young has to be a factor against Foreman but you have to look at everyone's whole career. Foreman's win over Frazier was probably more impressive than anything that almost anyone else ever did. The blowout of Norton is underrated as well.
You also have to factor in his comeback & the fact that he was competitive in a 'silver' age of the HW division, when he was very old, plus he managed to regain his title.

Taking the whole of Foreman's career into account, I believe it is hard to look past him.

Re: Greatest Heavyweight

Posted: 30 Mar 2012, 15:59
by dr_devious
Larry Holmes

Re: Greatest Heavyweight

Posted: 31 Mar 2012, 08:51
by MEISINGER
Goodnight, Irene wrote:
MEISINGER wrote:
Ezzard wrote: Where do you have Jimmy Young?

:yay:

great comment.
foreman has the historical factor,winning the title 20 years later and so on.
but in my mind his biggest accomplishment in his forst career was getting out thought
by ali.
foreman was a bad man but not the 3rd best heavyweight of all time
Who was?

Just on the, "great comment," line, how many of us rate Douglas over Tyson?

by no way am i trying to say that young was better than foreman historically

i just think that you need to throw that fight into the over all view of foremans greatness.

foreman is in my top 5 but not number 3