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FINAL Official Standings: (Through Week 30.)

Sugar Ray Robinson – 78 pts *
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Roberto Duran - 77 pts
Joe Louis – 77 pts
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Willie Pep – 73 pts *
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Benny Leonard – 64 pts *
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Gene Tunney – 62 pts
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Eder Jofre – 60 pts *
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Rocky Marciano - 59 pts *
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Ezzard Charles - 58 pts *
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Joe Gans – 55 pts
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Harry Greb - 54 pts
Pernell Whitaker – 54 pts
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Sugar Ray Leonard – 50 pts *
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Alexis Arguello – 49 pts – reserved for JBACCA
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Wilfredo Gomez – 46 pts *
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Archie Moore – 44 pts **
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Muhammad Ali - 43 pts – reserved for DENO
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Julio Cesar Chavez – 43 pts *
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Henry Armstrong – 41 pts *
Marvin Hagler – 41 pts
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Ricardo Lopez – 40 pts
Mike Tyson – 40 pts
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Stanley Ketchel – 40 pts *
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Jimmy Wilde - 39 pts
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Salvador Sanchez – 39 pts *
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Kid Chocolate - 37 pts
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Michael Spinks – 35 pts
Joe Frazier – 35 pts
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Jack Dempsey – 34 pts – reserved for JBACCA
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Billy Conn – 34 pts
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Kid Gavilan – 32 pts
Dulio Loi –32 pts
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Peter Jackson – 30 pts * – reserved for ADAM
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Roy Jones Jr -29 pts – reserved for THE END
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Abe Attell - 29 pts * – reserved for DENO
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Floyd Mayweather Jr - 28 pts – reserved for THE END
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Carlos Monzon – 24 pts
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Larry Holmes – 23 pts *
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Marcel Cerdan – 22 pts **
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Tommy Hearns – 21 pts
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Naseem Hamed – 19 pts
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Kostya Tszyu – 19 pts *
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Tommy Gibbons – 17 pts
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Pancho Villa – 16 pts *** – reserved for ADAM
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Sandy Saddler -15 pts
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Barney Ross – 11 pts
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Bernard Hopkins – 11 pts *
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Oscar De La Hoya – 11 pts **
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Mickey Walker – 7 pts
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Sam Langford – 6 pts
Jack Johnson – 6 pts
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Packey McFarland - 5 pts
Arturo Gatti – 5 pts
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Joe Calzaghe – 4 pts
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Carl Froch – 3 pts
James “Buster” Douglas – 3 pts
Antonio Cervantes – 3 pts
Manuel Medina – 3 pts
Azumah Nelson – 3 pts
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Julio Cesar Vasquez – 2 pts
Tony Zale – 2 pts
David Haye – 2 pts
Oscar Larios – 2 pts
Maxie Rosenbloom – 2 pts
Mickey Walker – 2 pts
Jem Driscoll – 2 pts
Lucia Rijker – 2 pts
James Jeffries – 2 pts
Bob Foster – 2 pts
Mike McCallum – 2 pts
Sven Ottke – 2 pts
Georges Carpentier – 2 pts
Julian Jackson – 2 pts
Ricky Hatton – 2 pts
Sergio Gabriel Martinez – 2 pts
Floyd Patterson – 2 pts
Marco Antonio Barrera – 2 pts

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Nikolai Valuev – 1 pt
Andre Ward – 1 pt
Bobby Chacon – 1 pt
Barry McGuigan – 1 pt
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LONSDALE


~ CHAMPION ~
WILLIE PEP


WBC


~ CHAMPION ~
WILLIE PEP


WBA

~ CHAMPION ~
SUGAR RAY ROBINSON


WBO

~ CHAMPION ~
SUGAR RAY ROBINSON


IBF

~ CHAMPION ~
SUGAR RAY ROBINSON


IBO

~ CHAMPION ~
BILLY CONN


World's Top Fighter

~ CHAMPION ~
JOE FRAZIER

Rankings updated through week one.


The joint top-ranked fighters for this week were:

Stanley Ketchel – 3 pts
Kid Chocolate – 3 pts
Benny Leonard – 3 pts
Muhammad Ali - 3 pts
Abe Attell – 3 pts
Carlos Monzon - 3 pts
Alexis Arguello – 3 pts
Harry Greb -3 pts
Sandy Saddler -3 pts

I'm sure you have explained already, Creasey, but how do the points work? Is it 3 points for beating any other human controlled fighter?

Deno1986 wrote:I'm sure you have explained already, Creaey, but how do the points work? Is it 3 points for beating any other human controlled fighter?

Actually I'm gald that you asked mate, I was going to do another introduction for it. Yeah the points table breaks down to look like this:

3 pts - a victory against a Managed fighter
2 pts - a victory against a CPU fighter
1 pt - any form of draw
0 pts - any from of loss

After Week 7 these come in to play:
5 pts - winning a Title (ALL FIVE BELTS)
4 pts - sucessfully defending a World Title (WBC, WBA, WBO, IBF)
- IBO doesn't get 4 pts for a title defence because they don't defend against a top 10er.

We'll ise this points system for the first 10 weeks and see how the Boxrec public react to it...
Clearly there's a touch of the Premier League about it.

And just going to highlight a few other notable things regarding this system:

If in the event of a unificiation bout the victor will get 9 pts (5 for the new title + 4 for the retaining his old one)

and

during Prizefighter all eight contestants will receieve an additional +1 point regardless of where they finish in the tournament and with Mr Detroit's permission, we will do it for the Million Dollar Tournament.

Wait a minute!!

Going by the points system you can get to the top of rankings by fighting CPU bums for 5 weeks like you are doing at the moment and there is no extra reward for fighting the best out there. e.g Ali fighting and beating Joe Louis. A boxer could fight and beat 5 bums and get 10 points but if a fighter fights the best and wins 3 and loses 2 he still only has 9 points.

Flawed.com

Crease! That prizefighter ruling is naff. No chance fighters entering that tourney should get extra points. I understand it's your thing mate but it's a shit tourney not worthy of extra points.

Plus, Deno has given an interesting scenario there. Fighting CPU's should gather you less points.

Deno1986 wrote:Going by the points system you can get to the top of rankings by fighting CPU bums for 5 weeks like you are doing at the moment

Mate, I wanted to match Rocky against Duran last week remember? And JDC didn't want that fight...

Deno1986 wrote:and there is no extra reward for fighting the best out there. e.g Ali fighting and beating Joe Louis.

Beating a Managed fighter gets you more points than beating a CPU one, that is fair isn't it?

Deno1986 wrote:A boxer could fight and beat 5 bums and get 10 points but if a fighter fights the best and wins 3 and loses 2 he still only has 9 points.

Mathematically there is no disputing that example. But let me provide you with one of my own -

fighter A would accumulate 9 points for beating 3 human controlled fighters...
Yet Fighter B would only recieve 8 points for beating 4 CPUs in a row...
and would be ranked behind fighter A despite winning more fights...

Deno1986 wrote:Flawed.com

Mate, with respect - every system is flawed... There is no prefect ranking system, and if there was then we would already be using it, know what I mean?

Despite your example, victories over human-controlled fighters are more "weighted" because they get you more points, we'll try it out anyway and just see how it goes for a short while.

As a further note, Buzz has informed me that the Title Bout game might have difficulty using it's own rankings systems because all the fighters come from different weight classes. So, we'll use the current system for the first 10 weeks, and guage the Sim public's reaction to it.

1. Can you change a win against a CPU to 1 point. A draw and loss counts for nothing.

2. Can you not give extra points for the PF tournament?

jBacca wrote:1. Can you change a win against a CPU to 1 point. A draw and loss counts for nothing.

Draws should count for something - let's leave the points the way it is for the moment.

jBacca wrote:2. Can you not give extra points for the PF tournament?

Well I only suggested this so that the PF Winner will get a good, round 10 points for winning it.

Crease wrote:

jBacca wrote:1. Can you change a win against a CPU to 1 point. A draw and loss counts for nothing.

Draws should count for something - let's leave the points the way it is for the moment.

jBacca wrote:2. Can you not give extra points for the PF tournament?

Well I only suggested this so that the PF Winner will get a good, round 10 points for winning it.

1. But 1 point for drawing against SRR should not be considered on par with a draw against Eric Crumble. The manager should be tempted away from fighting CPU's. Lowering the points totals would do this. It's a kinda' punishment for being a shithouse.

2. If only the PF winner gets points, then am fine with that. It'd actually be an incentive for entering.

jBacca wrote:1. But 1 point for drawing against SRR should not be considered on par with a draw against Eric Crumble.

I agree with you on that, equalling Robinson is a much more impressive result than a tie against Crumble. But we are now entering the realms of "perception" and away from the land of statistics. Looking at those two results - they are identical and should be treated as such in the rankings.

jBacca wrote:2. If only the PF winner gets points, then am fine with that. It'd actually be an incentive for entering.

Then I'll leave it that way then.

... but Crease, perception needs to come into it because we can perceive that cpu opponents are of a terrible standard in comparison to human controlled fighters, which should be reflected in the standings.

jBacca wrote:... but Crease, perception needs to come into it because we can perceive that cpu opponents are of a terrible standard in comparison to human controlled fighters, which should be reflected in the standings.

I can see that we are not going to agree on this. I can see your point, and we probably will veer into your points system after Week 10 (we'll give it a 10 week bash).

However, in closing I will say this: Perception is relevant when we are discussing fighters records.. Who they beat and who they lost to. Maybe perception us only required for the records and not for the mathematical rankings.

I have an idea.

If you lose to a computer opponent, then you lose a point or two.

You dont lose points for losing to a human controlled opponent.

Crease wrote:As a further note, Buzz has informed me that the Title Bout game might have difficulty using it's own rankings systems because all the fighters come from different weight classes. So, we'll use the current system for the first 10 weeks, and guage the Sim public's reaction to it.

Set them all as active heavyweights (create a new rating using their best stats)

DetroitHxC wrote:i don't like this. If I fight someone like Chavez, CPU controlled, he is a GREAT fighter, that is not taken into account.

If I fight the worst humn controlled fighter or the best, I get the same ammount of points. That's stupid. This has no regard for fighters records or standing. It's too general.

Why should I get the same ammount of points for fighting Butterbean or Joe Frazier? Muhammad Ali or Dulio Loi? It makes no fvcking sense!

This is a very good point, mate. We need to resolve this as it can be exploited.

DetroitHxC wrote:i don't like this. If I fight someone like Chavez, CPU controlled, he is a GREAT fighter, that is not taken into account.

If I fight the worst humn controlled fighter or the best, I get the same ammount of points. That's stupid. This has no regard for fighters records or standing. It's too general.

Why should I get the same ammount of points for fighting Butterbean or Joe Frazier? Muhammad Ali or Dulio Loi? It makes no fvcking sense!

Just a thought to keep people from feasting on Gatti and Buster Douglas.....wait

It's same for everyone. Match your fighters in accordance to these rules.

I'm thinking we allow "objective info" to rule for a while, then just like the sanctioning bodies, we can "subjectify". Not sure how this could be accomplished, but will work on a rationale/proposal for future consideration.

And keep in mind, the software may provide a strong alternative, as it begins to sort this season out.

I think the pool should be locked soon, and you should only be allowed one win per CPU opponent. The pool is pretty tough apart from a few poor fighters.

JDC wrote:Set them all as active heavyweights (create a new rating using their best stats)

But if you move all fighters into the Heavyweight Division, isn't there a possibility that you take something away from them? For example can you see Roberto Duran being a good Heavyweight?