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Just watched Mayweather/Ortiz again and i noticed Terry was with Ortiz in the ring prior to the fight. Makes sense as both reside in California.

But got me thinking.....how would a Norris/Mayweather fight at 154 have looked? Perhaps an unfair fight cos 154 is over Floyd's best weights. While Norris was a career super-welter.

But still an interesting potential fight. And one i personally would have heavily favoured Norris to win. Norris had the speed of both hand and foot and athleticism to match Mayweather, but he was a much heavier hitter and had the physical strength and offensive firepower to give Floyd fits in there. Terry's dodgy chin doesn't really enter into the equation cos i strongly don't believe Floyd carries the power to exploit it. Genuine punchers posed danger to Norris. And i do mean genuine bangers cos the only men to halt Terry during his absolute peak had a combined record of 76-3 with 70 of the wins coming inside schedule! Floyd of course isn't a puncher and particularly at the higher weights.

Yeah as good as Floyd has proven to be even at the higher weights, i think Norris would have done for him. Though as i mention it might be an unfair fight due to the weight issue. But it is a fight worth mentioning since Floyd has fought at 154 before and of course is doing so again in his next fight.

From gauging opinions on this possible fight on others sites, i do think many folk find it hard to envision Floyd losing cos he carries that unbeaten mystique. But its the same mystique that guys like Tyson, Jones all had before him, prior to them being brought crashing down to earth. Its understandable that people find it hard to picture Mayweather being handed a loss given we've never officially seen it upto yet, but without doubt no fighter is unbeatable.

We know as 'proven' fact that Norris wasn't unbeatable. But he was a fighting machine and a half, one that could be short circuited by genuine power. But the type of power needed to do it, Floyd does not posess. And the offensive attributes and pure ability that Norris brought to the table would have been the stuff needed to decode Floyd and in a comfortable manner.

I think the problem with these type of threads is that you can go on and on forever in terms of matching up Floyd to fighters from the past. How would Floyd have done against Robinson, Armstrong, Wilde, Leonard, Duran, Hearns, etc etc, when all you can ever be is the best of you era. Debates do happen in this genre because of Floyd's belief that he is the best ever. Floyd doesn't believe that he is just the best of his era or even one of the best of all time, he believes himself to be the best fighter of all time. Because of this stance, you will get threads that debate Floyd's claim, but only with other fighters who are considered to be in the catagory of best of all time. You won't get much of a debate around Terry Norris because he wasn't considered to be one of the best fighters of all time, he is not in that Robinson, Armstrong, Wilde, Ali class

I bet Terry Norris couldn't turn a chair around and sit back on it at the speed Floyd does and (at the risk of sounding like I'm on Dragon's den) for that reason I'm going with Floyd.

Norris definitely.

Floyd is the man at the min but no way in earth he'd have boxed Mugabi

Quixall wrote:I think the problem with these type of threads is that you can go on and on forever in terms of matching up Floyd to fighters from the past. How would Floyd have done against Robinson, Armstrong, Wilde, Leonard, Duran, Hearns, etc etc, when all you can ever be is the best of you era. Debates do happen in this genre because of Floyd's belief that he is the best ever. Floyd doesn't believe that he is just the best of his era or even one of the best of all time, he believes himself to be the best fighter of all time. Because of this stance, you will get threads that debate Floyd's claim, but only with other fighters who are considered to be in the catagory of best of all time. You won't get much of a debate around Terry Norris because he wasn't considered to be one of the best fighters of all time, he is not in that Robinson, Armstrong, Wilde, Ali class

I take onboard your point, but like you say Mayweather draws these comparisons with his greatest of all time self ranking, and Norris is a fighter of modern times so good comparisons can be drawn.

You're correct that Norris would be remembered on the same level as the likes of Robinson, Armstrong etc....but that doesn't mean he wouldn't have had been able to sort Mayweather out. And in all fairness Mayweather for all his bluster doesn't deserve mention with the likes of Robinson. Its only his mouth and unbeaten(officially) record that even gets some people referencing him in terms of GOAT debate. Reality is his resume falls way short of that kind of thing though.

A tough fight to pick though, but I got to go with the bigger guy, Terry Norris. Pretty Boy Floyd does not have the power to hurt him, but, he could outbox Terrible Terry.

Mayweather would never, EVER get in the ring with a guy like Terry Norris. It just wouldn't happen.

Norris would outgun him in every department.

elmersalsa wrote:A tough fight to pick though, but I got to go with the bigger guy, Terry Norris. Pretty Boy Floyd does not have the power to hurt him, but, he could outbox Terrible Terry.

That Mayweather could outbox Norris is very doubtful. Take a look at some Norris footage and when he was up and bouncing around he was a truly beautiful boxer. Mayweather would have had hell on legs to deal with trying to reach Norris in that posture.

As i've said its possibly unfair to put Floyd up against a career super-welter considering that Floyd started winning titles down at super-feather. But Floyd has been at welter and above for awhile now and Norris was not a big 54 pounder, coming in only fractionally above the welter limit many times.

loaded_gloves wrote:Mayweather would never, EVER get in the ring with a guy like Terry Norris. It just wouldn't happen.

Norris would outgun him in every department.

I agree.

Norris had an excellent boxing style and on his night had frightening power. Though he got caught from tme to time he had the bravery to get in with really massive hitters. Simon Brown would've given Floyd a better fight than anyone current + I repeat; Don Curry v Floyd Jnr would have been such a marvelous bout. Curry v Starling 1 was fantastic so Don v Floyd would've been a bout between the best pure boxers of the last 25 years.

Floyd was a far better all rounder then norris. He'd have stopped him IMO and i'm a Norris fan.

It amazes me people think Floyd can outbox young prime strong elites of yesteryear when he refuses to box any of the same in his own era. He simply hasn't proven he has what it takes and he obviously never will.

And for Mayweather to 'stop' Norris - what, Mayweather can suddenly hit like deadly two fisted bangers such as Julian Jackson and Simon Brown? Pure fantasy!

These Tyson and Mayweather types attract absolutely the strangest boxing fans.

norris was very,very strong strength wise,can`t see floyd maintaining enough offense to win rounds tbh,though his superb defense would stop him getting hurt,i don`t think he`d able to stop norris from imposing himself and making it a very uncomfortable night

Size isn't an issue, Norris was a small Jr Middle to begin with. His speed and power would be the problem. Terry by decision for me, just too dynamic offensively and that would keep Floyd in a defensive posture the majority of the fight.

It is interesting that Norris acquired a rep for having a shaky chin. I followed his career from his 4th fight on and bought into it, never putting it together that his chin only got shaky when guys like Julian Jackson and Simon Brown punched him there. How odd...
I think that Norris would beat Mayweather; I think he may even stop him, if Mayweather tried to come on. Norris would get ahead early, and he could box patiently and get himself countered, and coast to a decision. Unless Floyd tried to rally, then it wouldn't suprise me to see Norris catch him with something. And shaky chins sort of run in the Mayweather clan. (Roger, at least)

Norris EASY. Floyd is great from 130-140. He's NOT a great welterweight . . beating a shot Mosley and Victor Ortiz doesn't mean diddly poo. When I hear people matching FLoyd with all-time welters like a Robinson or Leonard or very good guys above welter (I wouldn't call Norris great but he was very good at 154) I throw up in my mouth. Floyd wouldn't have beaten Vic Cardell at 147 lbs let alone elite welters and junior middles.

dempseyfire wrote: Floyd wouldn't have beaten Vic Cardell at 147 lbs let alone elite welters and junior middles.

Vintage Dempsey exaggerating. Well done!

Just saw video of Norris vs Walters not good for terry. Floyd owns The Norris in this fight. Terry was heck of wild n displayed no Defenses at all

scallum wrote:Just saw video of Norris vs Walters not good for terry. Floyd owns The Norris in this fight. Terry was heck of wild n displayed no Defenses at all

What a ridiculous way to assess a fight. Norris boxed patiently and aggressively for most of his big fights, absolutely destroyed the top men, and so you single out a fight where he went gung ho and tried bomb out Troy Waters quickly. Also, the Aussie could fckuing HIT - Mayweather can't.

Like I said earlier, "These Tyson and Mayweather types attract absolutely the strangest boxing fans"...

Bad Style for Mayweather. I think Norris was a bad matchup for any defensive fighter.

greynotsoold wrote:It is interesting that Norris acquired a rep for having a shaky chin. I followed his career from his 4th fight on and bought into it, never putting it together that his chin only got shaky when guys like Julian Jackson and Simon Brown punched him there. How odd...
I think that Norris would beat Mayweather; I think he may even stop him, if Mayweather tried to come on. Norris would get ahead early, and he could box patiently and get himself countered, and coast to a decision. Unless Floyd tried to rally, then it wouldn't suprise me to see Norris catch him with something. And shaky chins sort of run in the Mayweather clan. (Roger, at least)

Hi mate Norris looked shaky a number of times not just brown and Norris... Waters, rupa, Mullins, meldrick Taylor,boudouani, rosenblatt I could go on.... Great fighter but he was suspect

@ Super Welterweight, Norris is simply too much for Floyd. No matter how you splice it. All that rat a tat tat, single pot shots is simply no way enough to hold these elite guys, I'm sorry. Norris would open up on Floyd with blazing hand speed, combinations and plenty of power. Norris by close yet fairly comfortable UD, for me.

I thought about this more last night and whilst I agree that styles make fights I thought about the problems a past it de la Hoya gave mayweather, I'd have favoured Norris over de la Hoya so perhaps I'm being a bit quick to write off terry against floyd

loaded_gloves wrote:

scallum wrote:Just saw video of Norris vs Walters not good for terry. Floyd owns The Norris in this fight. Terry was heck of wild n displayed no Defenses at all

What a ridiculous way to assess a fight. Norris boxed patiently and aggressively for most of his big fights, absolutely destroyed the top men, and so you single out a fight where he went gung ho and tried bomb out Troy Waters quickly. Also, the Aussie could fckuing HIT - Mayweather can't.

Like I said earlier, "These Tyson and Mayweather types attract absolutely the strangest boxing fans"...

Terry was to inconsistent he barley beat a guy I used to spar who was a .500 fighter. I was at the fight n thought Terry lost a close fight . He also lost to some guy nobody never heard of b4. Plus he had struggles wit common fighters. U don't have to be a great puncher to beat Terry. Gilbert Baptise (spelling) the .500 guy that I thought beat him could not punch.