BoxRec

how much trouble would bazookas`s spearing jab and clam like defense give floyd,id`e like to think it would be closer than most people imagine

Not much at all, Ike was too one dimensional. Mayweather would take away the jab and do his pot shot routine.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Not much at all, Ike was too one dimensional. Mayweather would take away the jab and do his pot shot routine.

Yep

Quartey is far better than anyone over 135 Floyd has beaten (factoring in the versions of Oscar and Mosley Floyd fought). Would be a very close fight.

dempseyfire wrote:Quartey is far better than anyone over 135 Floyd has beaten (factoring in the versions of Oscar and Mosley Floyd fought). Would be a very close fight.

Pretty flimsy reasoning, Floyd has dominated everyone he has fought since 135 & Ike never beat anyone of his caliber either.

The way Quartey threw his jab would cost him the fight. If you notice, he got a lot of pop on his jab by getting way up on his left foot. Mayweather would make him pay for that, make him miss that jab and counter him with punches that Quartey would essentially be leaning into.

In the aftermath of the Cotto fight, do you still think Quartey, a harder and better jabber than Cotto won't be able to trouble Floyd?

tommo100 wrote:how much trouble would bazookas`s spearing jab and clam like defense give floyd,id`e like to think it would be closer than most people imagine

Even more closer now that we know Floyd is a sucker for power jabs.

It was a 35-year-old Mayweather at 154lbs...not as sharp by any means as the 2006-07 147lb version.

I think Cotto would beat Quartey.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:I think Cotto would beat Quartey.

Quartey would bash Cotto with the left, IMO.

Goodnight, Irene wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:I think Cotto would beat Quartey.

Quartey would bash Cotto with the left, IMO.

Some of the time, the rest of it he would get out-worked. Good fight and it would be close. But certainly the mayweather fight had no bearing on what would happen with Floyd and Quartey. No one dimensional puncher is beating Floyd. It's like taking Rahman over Foreman because of Hasim's jab.

Goodnight, Irene wrote:It was a 35-year-old Mayweather at 154lbs...not as sharp by any means as the 2006-07 147lb version.

And the Quartey that made De La Hoya go life and death with him was past prime also and coming off a year and a half layoff.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Goodnight, Irene wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:I think Cotto would beat Quartey.

Quartey would bash Cotto with the left, IMO.

Some of the time, the rest of it he would get out-worked. Good fight and it would be close. But certainly the mayweather fight had no bearing on what would happen with Floyd and Quartey. No one dimensional puncher is beating Floyd. It's like taking Rahman over Foreman because of Hasim's jab.

Surely Foreman's jab gets the nod over Rahman's in the 90's. That fight was a whisker away from happening, incidentally.

Quartey simply wasnt on Mayweather's level.

Perhaps a poor analogy, I think Rahman had a better jab. But nothing along the lines of Floyd's superiority over Ike. Quartey is massively overrated these days. Real solid fighter, but he is the wise-guy "great" for a lot of people.

Quartey would give Floyd all kinds of problems. He had a better jab than DLH (which is saying something) and an old faded DLH made Floyd look ordinary using just his jab. Those who are saying Cotto would beat Quartey are crazy as hell. Quartey would walk Cotto down, beat him up, and stop him late. What does Cotto do that a prime Quartey couldnt handle? Hell, I think even the rusty Quartey that fought DLH and Vargas, and maybe even the one who came back after years of a layoff would beat Cotto. All of these Floyd posts are ridiculous. The guy is another example, like Jones, of how good match making can make a fighter look. As much difficulty as Floyd had with a past his prime Cotto is there any wonder why he didnt face the guy at 140 or 147 years ago??? Same with Mosley and several others. Floyds people MIGHT let him fight Quartey NOW but they sure wouldnt have ever let a prime Floyd go up against any near prime version of Quartey. They would wait until Quartey started looking ordinary and maybe even then they wouldnt go near him with his jab. You think Floyd would have ever challenged Winky Wright at 154? Not likely.

klompton wrote:Quartey would give Floyd all kinds of problems. He had a better jab than DLH (which is saying something) and an old faded DLH made Floyd look ordinary using just his jab. Those who are saying Cotto would beat Quartey are crazy as hell. Quartey would walk Cotto down, beat him up, and stop him late. What does Cotto do that a prime Quartey couldnt handle? Hell, I think even the rusty Quartey that fought DLH and Vargas, and maybe even the one who came back after years of a layoff would beat Cotto. All of these Floyd posts are ridiculous. The guy is another example, like Jones, of how good match making can make a fighter look. As much difficulty as Floyd had with a past his prime Cotto is there any wonder why he didnt face the guy at 140 or 147 years ago??? Same with Mosley and several others. Floyds people MIGHT let him fight Quartey NOW but they sure wouldnt have ever let a prime Floyd go up against any near prime version of Quartey. They would wait until Quartey started looking ordinary and maybe even then they wouldnt go near him with his jab. You think Floyd would have ever challenged Winky Wright at 154? Not likely.

Oscar made Floyd look ordinary? Stick to history without film, your eyes don't work.

klompton wrote:Quartey would give Floyd all kinds of problems. He had a better jab than DLH (which is saying something) and an old faded DLH made Floyd look ordinary using just his jab. Those who are saying Cotto would beat Quartey are crazy as hell. Quartey would walk Cotto down, beat him up, and stop him late. What does Cotto do that a prime Quartey couldnt handle? Hell, I think even the rusty Quartey that fought DLH and Vargas, and maybe even the one who came back after years of a layoff would beat Cotto. All of these Floyd posts are ridiculous. The guy is another example, like Jones, of how good match making can make a fighter look. As much difficulty as Floyd had with a past his prime Cotto is there any wonder why he didnt face the guy at 140 or 147 years ago??? Same with Mosley and several others. Floyds people MIGHT let him fight Quartey NOW but they sure wouldnt have ever let a prime Floyd go up against any near prime version of Quartey. They would wait until Quartey started looking ordinary and maybe even then they wouldnt go near him with his jab. You think Floyd would have ever challenged Winky Wright at 154? Not likely.

I dont agree with your proposed outcome, but its hard to disagree with this much.

Mayweather would not have risked the, '0' against Quartey, or younger incarnations of De La Hoya and Mosley, either.

Floyd would have loved the payday of DLH early in his career. You have to be rich to protect being rich. But if you mean, Floyd the star, at a point he wasn't a star, that is 100% correct.

Im quite sure he'd love the Pacquiao payday, too. The work for the pay, on the other hand, has kept him putting up as many roadblocks as Arum ever could.

The early part of his career, I remember very distinctly. I was in my late teens when he was coming to prominence, and I vividly recall him being a vastly different guy --- one I was in fact a fan of.

By the time he had reached 147, however, had there been peak versions of De La Hoya and Mosley alongside him, well...I have little doubt he'd have stayed at 140. Those guys at their (147) best would be roughly 50-50 bets with the WW Mayweather, and that assuredly means he'd never get in the ring with either of them.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Floyd would have loved the payday of DLH early in his career. You have to be rich to protect being rich. But if you mean, Floyd the star, at a point he wasn't a star, that is 100% correct.

Floyd would have 'loved' the idea of fighting Oscar like Jones Jr 'loved' the idea of fighting Buster Douglas in 1997 or Corrie Sanders in 2003 . . it ultimately wouldn't have happened.

The Oscar-Floyd fight was very close . . Oscar won at least 5 rounds and a draw wouldn' have been a terrible decision. Those who had Floyd dominating seemingly think playing defense and having better Compubox percentages should automatically win a round . . in that case Chris Byrd dominated Oquendo, Golota, and Vitali Klitschko . . .
The Oscar who fought Mosley the first time would've definitely beaten any 147 lb version of Floyd.

The BBC had it a draw.

I thought Floyd won a close decision. BUT, as ever, I got the feeling that Floyd could have stepped it up and been more convincing. Because he never does it...it remains a feeling...

Goodnight, Irene wrote:Im quite sure he'd love the Pacquiao payday, too. The work for the pay, on the other hand, has kept him putting up as many roadblocks as Arum ever could.

The early part of his career, I remember very distinctly. I was in my late teens when he was coming to prominence, and I vividly recall him being a vastly different guy --- one I was in fact a fan of.

By the time he had reached 147, however, had there been peak versions of De La Hoya and Mosley alongside him, well...I have little doubt he'd have stayed at 140. Those guys at their (147) best would be roughly 50-50 bets with the WW Mayweather, and that assuredly means he'd never get in the ring with either of them.

He would have fought Oscar at any point in his career, that's what made him "Money". But if your premise is that he reached that status without having to fight Oscar, fair point.

dempseyfire wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Floyd would have loved the payday of DLH early in his career. You have to be rich to protect being rich. But if you mean, Floyd the star, at a point he wasn't a star, that is 100% correct.

Floyd would have 'loved' the idea of fighting Oscar like Jones Jr 'loved' the idea of fighting Buster Douglas in 1997 or Corrie Sanders in 2003 . . it ultimately wouldn't have happened.

The Oscar-Floyd fight was very close . . Oscar won at least 5 rounds and a draw wouldn' have been a terrible decision. Those who had Floyd dominating seemingly think playing defense and having better Compubox percentages should automatically win a round . . in that case Chris Byrd dominated Oquendo, Golota, and Vitali Klitschko . . .
The Oscar who fought Mosley the first time would've definitely beaten any 147 lb version of Floyd.

Awww, somebody disagrees with you so they can't score fights without compubox? You're adorable, that fight wasn't close. Oscar was a massive payday, Floyd would have jumped at it and I think his ring IQ is probably too high for any version of Oscar.

Floyd by SD.