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how would tim (the 80`s version) fare against vlad??
i think an in shape terrible wins on points

i feel sorry for tim,he could have achieved more,but for being f****d by don king

Spoon KO1

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Spoon KO1

I could definately see this result. I think Witherspoon winning would be by KO. I remember the KO of Darrol Wilson as a 40 plus year old fatty was scary looking.

Wonder if it is on youtube?

How often was witherspoon in shape in the 80s . LOL i dont say this as an accusation to anyone but a rhetorical question.
Spoon was mauled by the boxing media for being out of shape against Bruno and by today standards he was Hercules. But Tim fought 11 hard rounds and could have done 15 and stopped his low bodyfat foe.

I cant see a one round kayo . But I can see potentially a very succesfull fight for tim with him eventually ending it in a finish similar to the Jorge Luis Gonzalez one. Spoon had the chin, the stamina, skills and power.

I take witherspoon in a 12th round stoppage.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7uWjhKyIiw

Love that KO. Big ass club to the head and Wilson is out on his feet.

if this is or was the wlad form 10 years ago i'd say tim by ko in 1

but this wlad will not be dumb enough to trade blows with tim
wlad would hold and hold as long as he could

tim by either late ko or comfortable decision

Tim Witherspoon was a very good, but not great heavyweight.

That said, it speaks a lot to Klitschko's opposition in this wasteland of an era that the man in his nearly 60 fight career hasn't fought ANYONE in Witherspoon's class. Who would be even close? Sam Peter? Chagaev? Byrd? Calvin 'lesser James Broad' Brock? It's literally like comparing Division III football to the SEC.

Wladimir Klitschko would drown in the deep waters Tim Witherspoon existed in .

Watch a green Witherspoon vs the great Larry Holmes, or a very cunning boxer like Tony Tubbs who years later made Riddick Bowe look inept - Spoon was just SO smart, so gifted, so brilliant versus men of that ability.

He's far too much of everything for Wladimir, too dynamic, too clever, hits too hard. Spoon by brutal KO inside five.

Wlad right now beats any version of Witherspoon. I respect Tim a lot, but it's a style thing. Wlad wouldn't let him land much.

BarryWashington wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:Wlad right now beats any version of Witherspoon. I respect Tim a lot, but it's a style thing. Wlad wouldn't let him land much.

Yep, and stylistically this match-up is a nightmare for Wlad.

Nope.

BarryWashington wrote:So explain how Wlad wins then Keith? He jabs and grabs all night to a decision? Remember this is a prime Tim Witherspoon we're talking about . . . not the K2 Bum of The Career Award Tour.

Which prime Witherspoon? The one that struggled with Greg Page, Frank Bruno and Tony Tubbs? Or the one that lost to Pinklon Thomas or gave up against 'Bonecrusher' Smith? That's the Witherspoon from the 80's. If that guy fought the Wladimir Klitschko of right now, he'd take a systematic beating.

How does Wlad win. He throws jabs, straight rights and punishes the smaller, lumbering, but skilled Witherspoon. If Tim get in close, Wlad ties him up.

If Tim Witherspoon never fought anyone of Wlads dimensions, then Wlad has never fought in Witherspoons class. On his best night, Wlad would not find it easy to keep Witherspoon out of range with jab and grab. I mean Tim could land that right hand with scary leverage from anywhere within grab radius.

If you were to transplant Wlad Klitschko back into the 80's, it's tempting to predict that a man ko'd by the likes of Corrie Sanders will sink against people like Weaver, Cooney, Holmes, Witherspoon. I wonder how the bro's would have developed in that period. I'm sure that Wlad would take early losses if he were matched tough - bullied by someone like Berbick or hustled by a Tubbs or Page.
I can't help thinking that the end result would be a far more capable fighter than what we have today. Klitschko's strike me as intelligent guys who would improve themselves against tougher opposition.

keithmoonhangover wrote:

BarryWashington wrote:So explain how Wlad wins then Keith? He jabs and grabs all night to a decision? Remember this is a prime Tim Witherspoon we're talking about . . . not the K2 Bum of The Career Award Tour.

Which prime Witherspoon? The one that struggled with Greg Page, Frank Bruno and Tony Tubbs? Or the one that lost to Pinklon Thomas or gave up against 'Bonecrusher' Smith? That's the Witherspoon from the 80's. If that guy fought the Wladimir Klitschko of right now, he'd take a systematic beating.

How does Wlad win. He throws jabs, straight rights and punishes the smaller, lumbering, but skilled Witherspoon. If Tim get in close, Wlad ties him up.

Meaning an in-shape Witherspoon. Hell yeah I'd take the Tim who lost vs Thomas against Wlad. Who has Wlad beaten with the power and athleticism of that Witherspoon, plus the left jab? Wlad couldn't stop the jabs of a 41 year old Mercer or a close to 40 year old Tony Thompson . . .when Haye got the balls to throw a jab he landed more often than not. The jab of Witherspoon will be in his face all night long, followed by the shots to the body. Witherspoon even in the mid-90s was better than the plodding, non-jabbbing buffoons Wlad has dominated like Peter and Chagaev. Nobody is landing punches on Wlad in recent fights b/c his opponents BLOW. Can anyone imagine the carnage that would ensure if Haye fought Witherspoon? I'd pick the Tim who fought Mercer to knockout the 'Hayemaker' . . .

Damn straight, I thought Tim beat Mercer fairly convincingly.

The aptly named idiotic 'Keithmoon' has the most narrow, completely flawed way of judging fighters, putting the most negative possible spin on bouts to undermine one fighter. It's easy to apply to Wlad. The man who could not knock down or hurt the glass chinned David Haye, could do nothing with Sultan Ibragimov, has been down 15 times at least, KOd by Brewster, Sanders and Purritty beats Witherspoon? See, it's such an easy thing to do.

Spoon knew far too much. Spoon got through better, faster jabs than Wladimir Klitschko's. Anyone who watches a Wlad fight and assumes he could do the same jab and back off routine against previous eras where men weren't clueless, plodding bags of lard with no technique or ring smarts is idiotic and their opinions can be easily dismissed and forgotten.

loaded_gloves wrote:The aptly named idiotic 'Keithmoon' has the most narrow, completely flawed way of judging fighters, putting the most negative possible spin on bouts to undermine one fighter. It's easy to apply to Wlad. The man who could not knock down or hurt the glass chinned David Haye, could do nothing with Sultan Ibragimov, has been down 15 times at least, KOd by Brewster, Sanders and Purritty beats Witherspoon? See, it's such an easy thing to do.

Spoon knew far too much. Spoon got through better, faster jabs than Wladimir Klitschko's. Anyone who watches a Wlad fight and assumes he could do the same jab and back off routine against previous eras where men weren't clueless, plodding bags of lard with no technique or ring smarts is idiotic and their opinions can be easily dismissed and forgotten.

How very civilized of you old boy.

If Spoon knew that much, how did he ever lose a fight?

Is there a third Klitschko brother named Vladimir?

Witherspoon by KO, early.

Its amazing how idiots like farhood, ryan and ellner viewed the 80s heavyweight scene as an alltime lowpoint before Tyson emerged.... any number of those "lost generation of HW's" ....give them a potential bog payday title shot with either of the Klicthkos and if they train right , get their mind right .....they win.....imo.

'Frilla wrote:Is there a third Klitschko brother named Vladimir?

There's actually for of them if you count Witali.

keithmoonhangover wrote:

loaded_gloves wrote:The aptly named idiotic 'Keithmoon' has the most narrow, completely flawed way of judging fighters, putting the most negative possible spin on bouts to undermine one fighter. It's easy to apply to Wlad. The man who could not knock down or hurt the glass chinned David Haye, could do nothing with Sultan Ibragimov, has been down 15 times at least, KOd by Brewster, Sanders and Purritty beats Witherspoon? See, it's such an easy thing to do.

Spoon knew far too much. Spoon got through better, faster jabs than Wladimir Klitschko's. Anyone who watches a Wlad fight and assumes he could do the same jab and back off routine against previous eras where men weren't clueless, plodding bags of lard with no technique or ring smarts is idiotic and their opinions can be easily dismissed and forgotten.

How very civilized of you old boy.

If Spoon knew that much, how did he ever lose a fight?

What are you complaining about? His description was flat-out generous D

I don't think you should be dismissing Keith's argument.

Tim was a top fighter. A highly skilled boxer.

Wlad has skill, size and dedication.

Witherspoon can easily find a way to lose this fight.