BoxRec

1. (1.) Carl Froch
2. (2.) Amir Khan
3. (3.) Ricky Burns
4. (4.) David Haye
5. (5.) Nathan Cleverly
6. (6.) Brian Magee (Irish)
7. (7.) Kell Brook
8. (8.) Jamie McDonnell
9. (9.) Matthew Macklin
10. (10.) Ola Afolabi

11. (11.) Andy Lee (Irish)
12. (12.) Kevin Mitchell
13. (13.) Rendall Munroe
14. (14.) Ryan Rhodes
15. (15.) George Groves
16. (22.) Tyson Fury
17. (16.) Darren Barker
18. (17.) Gavin Rees
19. (18.) Paul McCloskey (Irish)
20. (28.) James DeGale

21. (RE.) Tony Bellew
22. (19.) Lee Selby
23. (20.) Martin Murray
24. (21.) Dereck Chisora
25. (23.) Kerry Hope
26. (NE.) Derry Mathews
27. (24.) Matthew Hatton
28. (25.) Scott Quigg
29. (26.) Gary Buckland
30. (27.) John Murray

Out - (29.) Ajose Olusegun
Out - (30.) Anthony Crolla

Any comments or criticisms of the British Top 30 P4P list are very welcome.

Is the Horse/Hatton love affair over? You stubbornly ranked him above Kell Brook for so long and now he's a whopping 20 places below.

If Haye doesn't possess a boxing licence should he be classed as a boxer?

Pugilist-specialist wrote:Is the Horse/Hatton love affair over? You stubbornly ranked him above Kell Brook for so long and now he's a whopping 20 places below.

If Haye doesn't possess a boxing licence should he be classed as a boxer?

Same could also be considered for Dereck Chisora who has had his licence indefinately suspended.

Pugilist-specialist wrote:Is the Horse/Hatton love affair over? You stubbornly ranked him above Kell Brook for so long and now he's a whopping 20 places below.

Brook beat Hatton very easily and Hatton hasn't had a good win since he beat Nuzhnenko almost 2 years ago.

Hatton first entered the rankings in April 2010, in that time he has been above Brook in 13 months and Brook has been ahead of him in 13 months.

Pugilist-specialist wrote:If Haye doesn't possess a boxing licence should he be classed as a boxer?

I think so.

Why is Olusegun out? He's clearly more important to 140 than John Murray is at 135

stujones wrote:Same could also be considered for Dereck Chisora who has had his licence indefinately suspended.

Hopefully that will all be sorted out soon.

world ranked wrote:Why is Olusegun out? He's clearly more important to 140 than John Murray is at 135

Olusegun has been inactive for over 7 months and his record isn't strong enough for him to stay in the rankings without fighting for that long.

Olusegun's record isn't much better than Murray's, so I don't think Olusegun leaving the rankings before Murray is wrong.

Horse wrote:

world ranked wrote:Why is Olusegun out? He's clearly more important to 140 than John Murray is at 135

Olusegun has been inactive for over 7 months and his record isn't strong enough for him to stay in the rankings without fighting for that long.

Olusegun's record isn't much better than Murray's, so I don't think Olusegun leaving the rankings before Murray is wrong.

He's about to fight for legit world title, hasn't not be KO'ed in two recent fights. He more important to world landscape than anyone on this below 20. Hes closer to being a world champion than anyone after james Degale.
He acyually right now could be considered world class no one else under #20 can claim that other than maybe Chisora.

world ranked wrote:He's about to fight for legit world title, hasn't not be KO'ed in two recent fights. He more important to world landscape than anyone on this below 20. Hes closer to being a world champion than anyone after james Degale.
He acyually right now could be considered world class no one else under #20 can claim that other than maybe Chisora.

His level of opposition is fairly poor for a world class fighter. Maybe if Olusegun fought better opposition he might get knocked out a few times.

Horse wrote:

world ranked wrote:He's about to fight for legit world title, hasn't not be KO'ed in two recent fights. He more important to world landscape than anyone on this below 20. Hes closer to being a world champion than anyone after james Degale.
He acyually right now could be considered world class no one else under #20 can claim that other than maybe Chisora.

His level of opposition is fairly poor for a world class fighter. Maybe if Olusegun fought better opposition he might get knocked out a few times.

He "might get knocked out" his resume is better or similar to anyone under 20 beside Chisora. "Maybe' dont work in debates.

Good list, as ever.

The big question is whether you will continue to recognise anybody involved with the Haye v Chisora card after the night. I want to know where Horse stands on the BBBC v Warren debate. Maybe there will be two lists - one for boxers and one for splitters?

world ranked wrote:He "might get knocked out" his resume is better or similar to anyone under 20 beside Chisora. "Maybe' dont work in debates.

You talk Murray down for getting knocked out, but he got knocked out by two opponents who are better than anyone Olusegun has faced.

Olusegun has only fought 4 times in the last 3 years beating: Wright, Lynes, Malik and Chebah. A fighter that inactive has to fight a better level of opposition or they are going to fall out of the rankings.

earsjohn wrote:Good list, as ever.

Thank you.

earsjohn wrote:The big question is whether you will continue to recognise anybody involved with the Haye v Chisora card after the night. I want to know where Horse stands on the BBBC v Warren debate. Maybe there will be two lists - one for boxers and one for splitters?

I will continue to count them all as eligible.

Horse wrote:

world ranked wrote:He "might get knocked out" his resume is better or similar to anyone under 20 beside Chisora. "Maybe' dont work in debates.

You talk Murray down for getting knocked out, but he got knocked out by two opponents who are better than anyone Olusegun has faced.

Olusegun has only fought 4 times in the last 3 years beating: Wright, Lynes, Malik and Chebah. A fighter that inactive has to fight a better level of opposition or they are going to fall out of the rankings.

Just becuase you get stopped by better opponents doesn't make you better. Olusegun has fought within a calandar year so just like in boxrec rankings fighters stay in the rankings. So should Olusegun. There a lot of reason why fighters don't fight and a lot of times it has nothing to do with the fighter itself and especially in this case when
Ajose has been tied up and talk about in WBC elimanator fights and title fights. His fight with Chebah was cancelled
at least 3 times and not his fault because the WBC is bascially his only way to get a meaningful he had to be played
with by the WBC.

world ranked wrote:Just becuase you get stopped by better opponents doesn't make you better.

It doesn't make a fighter worse either like you were suggesting.

world ranked wrote:Olusegun has fought within a calandar year so just like in boxrec rankings fighters stay in the rankings. So should Olusegun. There a lot of reason why fighters don't fight and a lot of times it has nothing to do with the fighter itself and especially in this case when
Ajose has been tied up and talk about in WBC elimanator fights and title fights. His fight with Chebah was cancelled
at least 3 times and not his fault because the WBC is bascially his only way to get a meaningful he had to be played
with by the WBC.

The WBC/Chebah situation was farcical and Olusegun was treated unfairly. However he has still been fairly inactive and his record is still not massively impressive, so he has fallen down the rankings month by month until this month he has fallen out.

Horse wrote:

world ranked wrote:Just becuase you get stopped by better opponents doesn't make you better.

It doesn't make a fighter worse either like you were suggesting.

world ranked wrote:Olusegun has fought within a calandar year so just like in boxrec rankings fighters stay in the rankings. So should Olusegun. There a lot of reason why fighters don't fight and a lot of times it has nothing to do with the fighter itself and especially in this case when
Ajose has been tied up and talk about in WBC elimanator fights and title fights. His fight with Chebah was cancelled
at least 3 times and not his fault because the WBC is bascially his only way to get a meaningful he had to be played
with by the WBC.

The WBC/Chebah situation was farcical and Olusegun was treated unfairly. However he has still been fairly inactive and his record is still not massively impressive, so he has fallen down the rankings month by month until this month he has fallen out.

Do you agree with him not being top 30 fighter in England

Horse wrote:

world ranked wrote:Just becuase you get stopped by better opponents doesn't make you better.

It doesn't make a fighter worse either like you were suggesting.

world ranked wrote:Olusegun has fought within a calandar year so just like in boxrec rankings fighters stay in the rankings. So should Olusegun. There a lot of reason why fighters don't fight and a lot of times it has nothing to do with the fighter itself and especially in this case when
Ajose has been tied up and talk about in WBC elimanator fights and title fights. His fight with Chebah was cancelled
at least 3 times and not his fault because the WBC is bascially his only way to get a meaningful he had to be played
with by the WBC.

The WBC/Chebah situation was farcical and Olusegun was treated unfairly. However he has still been fairly inactive and his record is still not massively impressive, so he has fallen down the rankings month by month until this month he has fallen out.

Do you agree with the rankings Olusegun being top 30 fighter in England

world ranked wrote:Do you agree with the rankings Olusegun being top 30 fighter in England

If Olusegun was considered to be English and this was an English ranking then he would be in the top 30, but he doesn't currently qualify as a top 30 British & Irish fighter.

Horse do you actually go to live boxing shows?

Fury moves up 6 for beating Rogan. I'm Fury's #1 fan, but that is complete tosh.

leforge wrote:Horse do you actually go to live boxing shows?

No.

keithmoonhangover wrote:Fury moves up 6 for beating Rogan. I'm Fury's #1 fan, but that is complete tosh.

Do you think 16th position is too high for him?

Horse wrote:

leforge wrote:Horse do you actually go to live boxing shows?

No.

How come?

Horse wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:Fury moves up 6 for beating Rogan. I'm Fury's #1 fan, but that is complete tosh.

Do you think 16th position is too high for him?

Certainly not, you've ranked him far too low for far too long, but suddenly 6 places for Rogan mate, ha'way!