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This will make the greatest fight of all time! Who you got?

This hypothetical is a fence sitters dream.

This really could go either way.

There's no way either one is getting knocked out, as both are tough as hell.

Both have Left hooks to die for, granite chins, great stamina & indomitable spirit.

I'm going to lean slightly towards Frazier in a close points win, even though Frazier often needed rounds to get warmed up, that would allow Holyfield to bank rounds, but Holyfield's propensity to slug it out would play right into Joe's hands & allow Smokin' Joe to close things up & make it a really close fight.

I've always taken Joe's side on this one. But I've always thought that neither are the same fighter in the wake of the event. This could put damage on both.....and though I think Joe wins the battle, he might be the one who has the tougher time carrying on in the wake of such an exchange.

For me it would be on target to be the most bloody, bruising, nearly sadistic fight you would ever care to ponder.

BoxBuzz wrote:I've always taken Joe's side on this one. But I've always thought that neither are the same fighter in the wake of the event. This could put damage on both.....and though I think Joe wins the battle, he might be the one who has the tougher time carrying on in the wake of such an exchange.

For me it would be on target to be the most bloody, bruising, nearly sadistic fight you would ever care to ponder.

Agree with all of this.

Over 12 Frazier wins a decision. Over 15 he wins by stoppage.

dempseyfire wrote:Over 12 Frazier wins a decision. Over 15 he wins by stoppage.

Amen to that.

Prime Frazier 67-71, looked pretty much unbeatable. As much as I love Holyfield, I can't say he looked unbeatable in his prime.

Styles wise, they are noth suited to the other's style. But I just think Frazier is too much for him.

Frazier wins, but i cant wrap my head around him stopping Holyfield in his prime though, Holyfield can take punishment, 12 or 15.

Holyfield always came back stronger though. In a rematch, in your opinion, does anything change?

Frazier by late rounds stoppage. Sometimes the great Evander Holyfield took too many unecessary punches and also as the fight progresses, Frazier is more relentless and Holyfield seems to running out of gas after the 10th.

Great, great match up.

I like Holyfield. He had the quicker hands, could take big time punishment and I think would land his shots quikcer more often throughout the night. I think he'd spin Frazier when in close (like he did Vs Tyson). The old adage of don't hook Vs a hooker..... Frazier had the bigger / powerful hook but Holyfield had the quicker of the two with good power to boot and he'd get to point X much more often.

I see Holyfield TKO late or close Dec.

Holyfield by wide UD. over 12 it would read 9-3, 8-4. over 15 it would be 11-4.

The Real Deal would box his ears off.

big train express wrote:Holyfield by wide UD. over 12 it would read 9-3, 8-4. over 15 it would be 11-4.

The Real Deal would box his ears off.

big train express wrote:Holyfield by wide UD. over 12 it would read 9-3, 8-4. over 15 it would be 11-4.

The Real Deal would box his ears off.

Did Holyfield ever really box the ears off of anyone? Often times he was probably capable of doing it but he usually ended up in the trenches anyway.

hhaehre wrote:

big train express wrote:Holyfield by wide UD. over 12 it would read 9-3, 8-4. over 15 it would be 11-4.

The Real Deal would box his ears off.

Did Holyfield ever really box the ears off of anyone? Often times he was probably capable of doing it but he usually ended up in the trenches anyway.

no but mike tyson bit the ear off of holyfield.

big train express wrote:Holyfield by wide UD. over 12 it would read 9-3, 8-4. over 15 it would be 11-4.

The Real Deal would box his ears off.

Hilarious. Never boxed the ears off anyone in his life

Prime Holyfield lost to Moorer, Bowe, and it took everything he had to beat an old Foreman. To me that is enough to say Frazier cleans his clock over 12 or 15 rounds.

Goodnight, Irene wrote:

big train express wrote:Holyfield by wide UD. over 12 it would read 9-3, 8-4. over 15 it would be 11-4.

The Real Deal would box his ears off.

Hilarious. Never boxed the ears off anyone in his life

Moving side-to-side, going backwards, giving up centre ring and working behind the jab against Qawi doesn't count? Pretty much doing the same against Foreman doesn't count? Have you watched the Rodrigues fight? Against Frazier he would box.

keithmoonhangover wrote:

Goodnight, Irene wrote:

big train express wrote:Holyfield by wide UD. over 12 it would read 9-3, 8-4. over 15 it would be 11-4.

The Real Deal would box his ears off.

Hilarious. Never boxed the ears off anyone in his life

Moving side-to-side, going backwards, giving up centre ring and working behind the jab against Qawi doesn't count? Pretty much doing the same against Foreman doesn't count? Have you watched the Rodrigues fight? Against Frazier he would box.

...and lose.

Goodnight, Irene wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:

Goodnight, Irene wrote: Hilarious. Never boxed the ears off anyone in his life

Moving side-to-side, going backwards, giving up centre ring and working behind the jab against Qawi doesn't count? Pretty much doing the same against Foreman doesn't count? Have you watched the Rodrigues fight? Against Frazier he would box.

...and lose.

You just love sidestepping the issue we are discussing Irene. As soon as you are proved to be a tiny little bit wrong, you just ignore that and latch onto something else.

Please. He fought, slugged and banged with those men as much as he ever boxed.

The day Evander Holyfield sticks to a boxing gameplan is the day Oprah sticks to a diet. The day he outboxes Joe Frazier is the day I take you seriously, Keith.

Goodnight, Irene wrote:Please. He fought, slugged and banged with those men as much as he ever boxed.

The day Evander Holyfield sticks to a boxing gameplan is the day Oprah sticks to a diet. The day he outboxes Joe Frazier is the day I take you seriously, Keith.

You obviously haven't watched the fights. He boxed.

jrc26 wrote:Prime Holyfield lost to Moorer, Bowe, and it took everything he had to beat an old Foreman. To me that is enough to say Frazier cleans his clock over 12 or 15 rounds.

Couple points. Styles make fights and trying to compare Bowe to Frazier is silly. Two complete different fighters in size and style. Bowe simply was a bad style match up for Holyfield....

With regard to Holy Vs Older Foreman. Reality is Holyfield won that fight quite easily on all cards and in the ring. He was never in any serious trouble once. It was an entertaining fight simply because Holyfeild loved to swap shots and everyone getting to see Old George land some big shots was fun to watch.....

Moorer, yep, Holy had a bad night (yet still, if 1 judges correctly rules second round a 10-8, instead of the incorrect 10-9....Holy won the round and scored a clean knockdown to close it out) that fight would have been a Maj Draw. Rematch Holy fought smarter and won easily.

Holy Vs Frazier would have been fantastic. Both men were the type to fall on their shields and leave it all in the ring. Have to love that about both.

yancey wrote:

big train express wrote:Holyfield by wide UD. over 12 it would read 9-3, 8-4. over 15 it would be 11-4.

The Real Deal would box his ears off.

'Frilla wrote:This will make the greatest fight of all time! Who you got?

I've got a war! And this will be a war of wills and durability well worth a $100.00 on PPV. Frazier didn't have the best set of whiskers out there, and tended to swell up a bit quicker than Holyfield. While Frazier's left hook was fantastic, he really did not have much of a right or jab.

Holyfield to me could out fight, in-fight, counter punch, bend the rules, and I think had enough power in his gloves to wear a very game Frazier down to the point where the referee, ring doctor, or corner would have to make a call to halt the action.

pound per pound wrote:

'Frilla wrote:This will make the greatest fight of all time! Who you got?

I've got a war! And this will be a war of wills and durability well worth a $100.00 on PPV. Frazier didn't have the best set of whiskers out there, and tended to swell up a bit quicker than Holyfield. While Frazier's left hook was fantastic, he really did not have much of a right or jab.

Holyfield to me could out fight, in-fight, counter punch, bend the rules, and I think had enough power in his gloves to wear a very game Frazier down to the point where the referee, ring doctor, or corner would have to make a call to halt the action.

Frazier had a world class chin, equal to that of Holyfield. It is also a myth that Frazier couldn't jab or throw a solid right hand, especially the right hand was good.

Frazier wins for me.