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Best heavyweight after peak
Posted: 05 May 2012, 15:46
by flatnoseflynn
Plenty of threads about fighters fighting each other in their prime. What about heavyweights after their prime (usually their last fight!) fighting each other Like and old Louis vs an old frazier..........
Re: Best heavyweight after peak
Posted: 05 May 2012, 16:10
by dempseyfire
Kind of hard since people have various definitions of "past peak" . . some are easier like post-retirement Louis, post-Manilla Ali . . but others more difficult.
Re: Best heavyweight after peak
Posted: 05 May 2012, 16:23
by Bricks
yuk who wants to see ali 81 v tyson 2005
The only one of these type matches id have liked to have seen were the incomparable Foreman (98) v Lewis (2004) or marciano in his last match just for curiosity value
Re: Best heavyweight after peak
Posted: 05 May 2012, 17:50
by klompton
Patterson had great post prime run.
Re: Best heavyweight after peak
Posted: 05 May 2012, 19:37
by Goodnight, Irene
mugabi wrote:yuk who wants to see ali 81 v tyson 2005
The only one of these type matches id have liked to have seen were the incomparable Foreman (98) v Lewis (2004) or marciano in his last match just for curiosity value
Thats just a God awful comparison. Lewis had been in his prime only about two years earlier, while Foreman was already retired by 1998 and had been past his best since his defeat against Ali MORE THAN twenty years before!
This is like saying Mike Tyson 1991 vs Joe Frazier 1976...
Re: Best heavyweight after peak
Posted: 05 May 2012, 19:51
by yancey
klompton wrote:Patterson had great post prime run.
Very true.

Re: Best heavyweight after peak
Posted: 05 May 2012, 20:00
by SaadOffTheDeck
I'll take Charles, his entire Heavyweight run was post-prime and he is underrated in the division for what he did.
Re: Best heavyweight after peak
Posted: 05 May 2012, 20:11
by Goodnight, Irene
Charles is always under-rated at HW. He beat Walcott, who everybody fawns over, three out of four, among other accolades, but is forever the invisible champion.
Re: Best heavyweight after peak
Posted: 06 May 2012, 07:51
by keithmoonhangover
Ali, Holyfield and Holmes all achieved a lot after their primes.
Re: Best heavyweight after peak
Posted: 06 May 2012, 21:01
by Bricks
Goodnight, Irene wrote:mugabi wrote:yuk who wants to see ali 81 v tyson 2005
The only one of these type matches id have liked to have seen were the incomparable Foreman (98) v Lewis (2004) or marciano in his last match just for curiosity value
Thats just a God awful comparison. Lewis had been in his prime only about two years earlier, while Foreman was already retired by 1998 and had been past his best since his defeat against Ali MORE THAN twenty years before!
This is like saying Mike Tyson 1991 vs Joe Frazier 1976...
I see what you mean. I misread the TS's origional post to read a matchup between versions of HW champs in their last fight hence those admittedly awful matchups. But I was scraping the barrel given what i misunderstood to be fairly stringent conditions.
I'd rephrase it to say the Foreman of 91 v the Lewis of 2004 I think that would have been interesting.
Ironically I find your suggestion of Tyson 91 v Frazier 76, said to illustrate a awful matchup, as a fascinating one and worthy of a thread in it's own right.
How do you see Frazier 76 v Tyson 91?
Re: Best heavyweight after peak
Posted: 06 May 2012, 21:13
by Goodnight, Irene
I see it as I do a prime match-up between them --- a quick Tyson TKO. Tyson was starting to exit his peak around 1991. Frazier had absolutely nothing left after Manila (Foreman under-performed against him).
Re: Best heavyweight after peak
Posted: 07 May 2012, 00:43
by SaadOffTheDeck
mugabi wrote:Goodnight, Irene wrote:mugabi wrote:yuk who wants to see ali 81 v tyson 2005
The only one of these type matches id have liked to have seen were the incomparable Foreman (98) v Lewis (2004) or marciano in his last match just for curiosity value
Thats just a God awful comparison. Lewis had been in his prime only about two years earlier, while Foreman was already retired by 1998 and had been past his best since his defeat against Ali MORE THAN twenty years before!
This is like saying Mike Tyson 1991 vs Joe Frazier 1976...
I see what you mean. I misread the TS's origional post to read a matchup between versions of HW champs in their last fight hence those admittedly awful matchups. But I was scraping the barrel given what i misunderstood to be fairly stringent conditions.
I'd rephrase it to say the Foreman of 91 v the Lewis of 2004 I think that would have been interesting.
Ironically I find your suggestion of Tyson 91 v Frazier 76, said to illustrate a awful matchup, as a fascinating one and worthy of a thread in it's own right.
How do you see Frazier 76 v Tyson 91?
This is a shockingly literate post. Did you manage to find a sober moment?
Re: Best heavyweight after peak
Posted: 07 May 2012, 04:50
by Bricks
aaaaw whats the matter Sadie?......afraid im talking to your boyfriend!
If you managed to forget your bitterness and stay off the prozac and whiskey for just two minutes you may notice all my posts are sober

Re: Best heavyweight after peak
Posted: 07 May 2012, 07:20
by SaadOffTheDeck
That's a shame, as they are rarely literate.
Re: Best heavyweight after peak
Posted: 07 May 2012, 11:45
by Goodnight, Irene
mugabi wrote:aaaaw whats the matter Sadie?......afraid im talking to your boyfriend!
If you managed to forget your bitterness and stay off the prozac and whiskey for just two minutes
you may notice all my posts are sober 
Thats not a fact you should be advertising
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