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if not where would you rank him amongst the all-time super middleweights? He definitely makes mine with great wins over hopkins, kessler, roy jones, bika, and lacy

no,ive got him well below
toney
jones jnr (a prime jones jnr)
barkley
benn

no,ive got him well below
toney
jones jnr (a prime jones jnr)
barkley
benn

big train express wrote:if not where would you rank him amongst the all-time super middleweights? He definitely makes mine with great wins over hopkins, kessler, roy jones, bika, and lacy

Hopkins and Jones were at 175.

I rank him #1. All considered (and there aint that much to consider, in terms of either his CV or the divisions history), I think he deserves it.

Jones and Toney would have pretty handily beaten him, though. Jones would border on an ass kicking.

In the super middle division, he's my #1. Barkely ahead of him? What a joke . . .

I think his record at 168 is definitely better than anyone else's, he's definitely #1 in the division. I don't see how he could not be in anybody's Top 5, the Super Middleweight division is pretty shallow historically. Not a lot to choose from and I agree Barkley being ahead of him is nonsense.

For me he clearly is the number 1.

Joe, Like Marciano and Ottke before him....attained Perfection......

Of course he is, anyone who says no has an agenda.

tommo100 wrote:no,ive got him well below
toney
jones jnr (a prime jones jnr)
barkley
benn

Barkley? Explain why you would ever have Barkley over Clazghe at 168? Not only does Clazaghe have a far better resume than the blade at the weight, hes also levels above him in talent.

Goodnight, Irene wrote:

big train express wrote:if not where would you rank him amongst the all-time super middleweights? He definitely makes mine with great wins over hopkins, kessler, roy jones, bika, and lacy

Hopkins and Jones were at 175.

I rank him #1. All considered (and there aint that much to consider, in terms of either his CV or the divisions history), I think he deserves it.

Jones and Toney would have pretty handily beaten him, though. Jones would border on an ass kicking.

Toney wouldnt beat Calzaghe clearly, at his best he was far too inconsistent to have an easy time with Joe. In fact if James fought Joe like he did some of his opponents back in the day, I could see Joe taking a close decision. A volume puncher with decent defence and a good chin like Joe would trouble James

I was thinking of Toney on his best day.

I respect Calzaghe as a guy who'd be very difficult for men better than himself to beat, but I'll never regard him as being on the Jones-Hopkins-Toney level.

Toney's level is elevated past his desire.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Toney's level is elevated past his desire.

...and in other news, the sky is blue

My favourite line on Toney ever came from Jim Lampley, looking at the tale of the tape (I think it was one of the Rahman bouts)...

"Toney, at 237lbs.......is a fat tub of goo."

Record for record at SMW there is no competition its calzaghe number1.i, hot saying the other fighters like RJJ were not better than him but thier records at SMW arnt what calzaghes is

Roy's record is comparable, he would be my #1.

So long as Joe C doesn't stand right in front of Toney, he'd win. A lightening fast southpaw with a chin and stamina who throws in some movement, isn't likely to end up in Toney's win column.

Joe Calzaghe is in my top 5 Super Middleweights.

Frankly I think it would be difficult to exclude him from anyone's top 5 of that weight Division, his over-a-decade title reign and his unifications MUST put him in the top five.

And in a related topic, he most probably should be ranked as the Number One Super Middleweight ever, but as I say, that's a different topic.

Most definite top 3

Steve Collins in nobody's top 5?

Joe beats prime Toney imo . This style would give Toney Major probs. Young Toney been outboxed on more than one occasion. Prime Joe would only be outboxed by prime Roy and that is up for debate

jrc26 wrote:Steve Collins in nobody's top 5?

He's in mine.


Eubank and Benn are basically in everyone's top five, and Collins beta them both TWICE!

scallum wrote:Joe beats prime Toney imo . This style would give Toney Major probs. Young Toney been outboxed on more than one occasion. Prime Joe would only be outboxed by prime Roy and that is up for debate

Only if you're British.

Eubank and Calazaghe should both be in the top five.


On acheivement, I'd probably have Chong Pal Park in there as well.

Anyone who say Barkley has been smoking crack.

Someone has to set this thread straight. The Rolls Royce of the SMW's is the Phantom. Sven Ottke.

Are you aware that The Phantom beat Antonio Tarver, Michael Moorer, Chris Byrd? That is a fact Jack. Calzaghe didn't accomplish that in his career did he?

I didn't think so.

Don't sell the Phantom Short. We are talkin' smooth ride here.