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Top fighters of the 90's, 00's & 10's by P4P rankings

Posted: 07 Jun 2012, 05:14
by johnswan1
These lists were compiled by taking the P4P ratings of The Ring at the end of each year from 1990-2009. This is per decade only so fighters will not perform as well when they have crossed over multiple decades. Finishing a year as P4P no.1 earns 10 points, while finishing P4P no.10 earns 1 point. Beside each score is the number of years during the decade the fighter finished in the P4P top 10 ratings.

Any obvious notable omissions or do these lists do well to include the top fighters from each of these decades? I personally find it strange that Martinez has apparently done enough this current decade already to merit a no.10 ranking during the 1990's and a no.11 ranking during the 2000's. For me he is the most over ranked on the entire list given his record.

Also, what currently unranked active fighters do you expect to make the list for this decade?

1990's

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/The_R ... und--1990s

1 Pernell Whitaker 72 8
2 Roy Jones Jr. 59 7
3 Oscar De La Hoya 43 5
4 Felix Trinidad 40 6
5 Julio Cesar Chavez 39 4
6 Ricardo Lopez 36 7
7 Evander Holyfield 33 6
8 Terry Norris 25 5
9 Orlando Canizales 21 3
10 Mark Johnson 13 4
10 Riddick Bowe 13 3
12 Floyd Mayweather Jr. 12 2
12 Meldrick Taylor 12 2
14 James Toney 11 3
14 Shane Mosley 11 2
16 James (Buddy) McGirt 10 2
17 Junior Jones 9 2
18 Michael Nunn 8 1
19 Antonio Esparragoza 7 1
19 Michael Carbajal 7 1
21 Humberto Gonzalez 6 1
21 Yuri Arbachakov 6 2
23 Frankie Randall 5 1
24 Azumah Nelson 4 1
24 Mike Tyson 4 1
24 Sung-Kil Moon 4 2
27 Erik Morales 3 1
27 Gerald McClellan 3 1
27 Raul Perez 3 1
30 Bernard Hopkins 2 1
30 Ike Quartey 2 1
30 Julian Jackson 2 1
30 Kennedy McKinney 2 1
30 Khaosai Galaxy 2 2
30 Marco Antonio Barrera 2 1
30 Miguel Angel Gonzalez 2 1
30 Myung-Woo Yuh 2 1
30 Naseem Hamed 2 1
39 Johnny Tapia 1 1
39 Kevin Kelley 1 1
39 Stevie Johnston 1 1

2000's

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/The_R ... und--2000s

1 Floyd Mayweather Jr. 67 9
2 Bernard Hopkins 66 9
3 Manny Pacquiao 55 7
4 Shane Mosley 37 5
5 Roy Jones Jr. 35 4
6 Juan Manuel Marquez 32 5
6 Marco Antonio Barrera 32 5
8 Ronald (Winky) Wright 26 4
9 Oscar De La Hoya 24 4
10 Kostya Tszyu 19 4
11 Erik Morales 18 6
12 Joe Calzaghe 15 3
13 Felix Trinidad 14 2
13 Ricky Hatton 14 4
15 Rafael Marquez 12 4
16 Israel Vazquez 11 2
16 Miguel Angel Cotto 11 3
18 Jermain Taylor 7 1
18 Vernon Forrest 7 1
20 Diego Corrales 6 1
21 Antonio Margarito 5 1
21 Lennox Lewis 5 2
21 Naseem Hamed 5 1
21 Nonito Donaire 5 1
25 Jose Luis Castillo 4 2
26 Celestino Caballero 3 1
26 Ricardo Lopez 3 1
28 Antonio Tarver 2 2
28 Chad Dawson 2 1
28 Glen Johnson 2 1
28 Ivan Calderon 2 1
28 James Toney 2 1
33 Paul Williams 1 1
33 Zab Judah 1 1

2010 & onwards

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/The_R ... und--2010s

1 Manny Pacquiao 20 2
2 Floyd Mayweather Jr. 18 2
3 Sergio Gabriel Martinez 16 2
4 Juan Manuel Marquez 13 2
4 Nonito Donaire 13 2
6 Pongsaklek Wonjongkam 9 2
7 Wladimir Klitschko 8 2
8 Timothy Bradley 5 2
9 Fernando Montiel 4 1
10 Giovanni Segura 2 1
11 Andre Ward 1 1
11 Juan Manuel Lopez 1 1

Re: Top fighters of the 90's, 00's & 10's by P4P rankings

Posted: 07 Jun 2012, 05:31
by johnswan1
Some fighters I expect to potentially make this decades list:

Vitali Klitschko
David Price
Jean Pascal
Tavoris Cloud
Carl Froch
Peter Quillin
Saul Alvarez
Kell Brook
Amir Khan
Takashi Uchiyama
Adrien Broner
Yuriorkis Gamboa
Carl Frampton
Milan Melindo

Re: Top fighters of the 90's, 00's & 10's by P4P rankings

Posted: 07 Jun 2012, 08:19
by squared circle
You touch on it, but a bit of a handicap for those fighters who span the cusp of decade into the next. Also this system rewards longevity as much as anything. But a top list of names and can't see too many omissions.

I am almost certain that Vitali is not going to be on the '10s list by the way ....

Re: Top fighters of the 90's, 00's & 10's by P4P rankings

Posted: 07 Jun 2012, 08:54
by johnswan1
Vitali is currently no.9 so unless he loses or retires before the end of the year I can't see him dropping out of the top 10.

Also with Pac (2) v Bradley (8) and Ward (5) v Dawson (10), there's potential for one or two of these to drop out of the top 10 altogether, which would potentially move Vitali up the rankings before the year end.

Re: Top fighters of the 90's, 00's & 10's by P4P rankings

Posted: 07 Jun 2012, 09:16
by johnswan1
Here are the total ratings from 1989 to date. Obviously this penalises fighters relevant prior to 1989 but that's when the P4P rankings began, at least according to the Ring.

It's a shame to see Mayweather and Pacquiao in the Top 4, yet they don't seem to be able to arrange to fight each other. When you look at De La Hoya, he fought Mayweather (1), Whitaker (3), Pacquiao (4), Hopkins (5), Trinidad (7), Chavez twice (8), Mosley twice (8). That is a seriously impressive resume, although his record was 3-6 in those bouts and his only wins were against two fighters arguably beyond their peaks in Whitaker and Chavez.

1 Floyd Mayweather Jr. 97
2 Roy Jones Jr. 94
3 Pernell Whitaker 80
4 Manny Pacquiao 75
5 Bernard Hopkins 68
6 Oscar De La Hoya 67
7 Felix Trinidad 54
8 Julio Cesar Chavez 48
8 Shane Mosley 48
10 Juan Manuel Marquez 45
11 Ricardo Lopez 39
12 Marco Antonio Barrera 34
13 Evander Holyfield 33
14 Ronald (Winky) Wright 26
15 Terry Norris 25
16 Erik Morales 21
16 Orlando Canizales 21
18 Kostya Tszyu 19
19 Nonito Donaire 18
20 Meldrick Taylor 17
21 Sergio Gabriel Martinez 16
22 Joe Calzaghe 15
22 Michael Nunn 15
24 Mike Tyson 14
24 Ricky Hatton 14
26 Antonio Esparragoza 13
26 James Toney 13
26 Mark Johnson 13
26 Riddick Bowe 13
30 Rafael Marquez 12
31 Israel Vazquez 11
31 Miguel Angel Cotto 11
33 James (Buddy) McGirt 10
34 Junior Jones 9
34 Pongsaklek Wonjongkam 9
36 Azumah Nelson 8
36 Wladimir Klitschko 8
38 Jermain Taylor 7
38 Michael Carbajal 7
38 Naseem Hamed 7
38 Vernon Forrest 7
42 Diego Corrales 6
42 Humberto Gonzalez 6
42 Raul Perez 6
42 Yuri Arbachakov 6
46 Antonio Margarito 5
46 Frankie Randall 5
46 Lennox Lewis 5
46 Timothy Bradley 5
50 Fernando Montiel 4
50 Jose Luis Castillo 4
50 Sung-Kil Moon 4
53 Celestino Caballero 3
53 Gerald McClellan 3
55 Antonio Tarver 2
55 Chad Dawson 2
55 Giovanni Segura 2
55 Glen Johnson 2
55 Ike Quartey 2
55 Ivan Calderon 2
55 Julian Jackson 2
55 Kennedy McKinney 2
55 Khaosai Galaxy 2
55 Miguel Angel Gonzalez 2
55 Myung-Woo Yuh 2
55 Virgil Hill 2
67 Andre Ward 1
67 Johnny Tapia 1
67 Juan Manuel Lopez 1
67 Kevin Kelley 1
67 Marlon Starling 1
67 Paul Williams 1
67 Stevie Johnston 1
67 Zab Judah 1

Re: Top fighters of the 90's, 00's & 10's by P4P rankings

Posted: 07 Jun 2012, 09:40
by youngrell
The glaring omission is Lennox Lewis in the 90s.

You'd have thought he'd at least have been in the top 10 by the end of 1999! Just goes to show how much respect he has garnered since retiring and how much he was disliked/victimised when active.

Re: Top fighters of the 90's, 00's & 10's by P4P rankings

Posted: 07 Jun 2012, 10:29
by johnswan1
Yeah I thought that was a big surprise also. Jermain Taylor has more points than him! It seems nobody put much faith in anyone in the Heavyweight division outside of Holyfield and Bowe. Vitali Klitschko is the big absentee on this for me and even Wladimir seems underrated with just 8 points given his dominance.

I've said it already but should Sergio Martinez really be ranked no.3 P4P two years in succession on the back of wins over Williams, Pavlik, Macklin and Barker and having lost to Margarito and Williams before that and only managing a draw with Kermit Cintron? Even Macklin and Barker were able to hang with him until the later rounds when stamina came into play, and neither of these guys are P4P material.

Only four Brits have finished in the year ending rankings since 1989:

22 Joe Calzaghe 15
24 Ricky Hatton 14
38 Naseem Hamed 7
46 Lennox Lewis 5

I suppose cases could have been made for Benn, Eubank, Collins, Haye at various times, while the likes of Khan, Froch & Brook are probably only another big win away from getting in (more so the former two).

Re: Top fighters of the 90's, 00's & 10's by P4P rankings

Posted: 09 Jun 2012, 00:19
by Jeff Thomas
I think in hindsight benn was def p4p material

Re: Top fighters of the 90's, 00's & 10's by P4P rankings

Posted: 10 Jun 2012, 11:21
by JDC
johnswan1 wrote:Vitali is currently no.9 so unless he loses or retires before the end of the year I can't see him dropping out of the top 10.

Also with Pac (2) v Bradley (8) and Ward (5) v Dawson (10), there's potential for one or two of these to drop out of the top 10 altogether, which would potentially move Vitali up the rankings before the year end.
This decade does not end at the end of 2012

Re: Top fighters of the 90's, 00's & 10's by P4P rankings

Posted: 13 Jun 2012, 07:13
by johnswan1
JDC wrote:
johnswan1 wrote:Vitali is currently no.9 so unless he loses or retires before the end of the year I can't see him dropping out of the top 10.

Also with Pac (2) v Bradley (8) and Ward (5) v Dawson (10), there's potential for one or two of these to drop out of the top 10 altogether, which would potentially move Vitali up the rankings before the year end.
This decade does not end at the end of 2012
What a fornicating genius you are. Vitali is 40 years old and seemingly a lot smarter than most fighters who fight beyond that age. How many fights do you think he has left? He may well be retired by the end of 2013 so end 2012 could well be the only time he ends up on these P4P end of year rankings, regardless of whether you agree with them or not.

Re: Top fighters of the 90's, 00's & 10's by P4P rankings

Posted: 19 Jun 2012, 15:28
by squared circle
johnswan1 wrote:
JDC wrote:
johnswan1 wrote:Vitali is currently no.9 so unless he loses or retires before the end of the year I can't see him dropping out of the top 10.

Also with Pac (2) v Bradley (8) and Ward (5) v Dawson (10), there's potential for one or two of these to drop out of the top 10 altogether, which would potentially move Vitali up the rankings before the year end.
This decade does not end at the end of 2012
What a effing genius you are. Vitali is 40 years old and seemingly a lot smarter than most fighters who fight beyond that age. How many fights do you think he has left? He may well be retired by the end of 2013 so end 2012 could well be the only time he ends up on these P4P end of year rankings, regardless of whether you agree with them or not.
This was my point on Vitali not making the '10s list - 2 years around the lower ends, is only going to give him a very low score using your formula, a score highly unlikely to be in the top ten of all fighters.

Re: Top fighters of the 90's, 00's & 10's by P4P rankings

Posted: 20 Jun 2012, 09:34
by JDC
johnswan1 wrote:
JDC wrote:
johnswan1 wrote:Vitali is currently no.9 so unless he loses or retires before the end of the year I can't see him dropping out of the top 10.

Also with Pac (2) v Bradley (8) and Ward (5) v Dawson (10), there's potential for one or two of these to drop out of the top 10 altogether, which would potentially move Vitali up the rankings before the year end.
This decade does not end at the end of 2012
What a effing genius you are. Vitali is 40 years old and seemingly a lot smarter than most fighters who fight beyond that age. How many fights do you think he has left? He may well be retired by the end of 2013 so end 2012 could well be the only time he ends up on these P4P end of year rankings, regardless of whether you agree with them or not.
It's not about where he is at the end of any given year. It's where he stands at the end of the decade. Less of the insults; your the one who's looking at this wrong.

90's - 16 James (Buddy) McGirt 10 2
00's - #16 Miguel Angel Cotto 11 3

No way is he making the top ten. Where are Vitali's points going to come from?
1 Manny Pacquiao 20 2
2 Floyd Mayweather Jr. 18 2
3 Sergio Gabriel Martinez 16 2
4 Juan Manuel Marquez 13 2
4 Nonito Donaire 13 2
6 Pongsaklek Wonjongkam 9 2
7 Wladimir Klitschko 8 2
8 Timothy Bradley 5 2
9 Fernando Montiel 4 1
10 Giovanni Segura 2 1
11 Andre Ward 1 1
11 Juan Manuel Lopez 1 1
He isn't even on the list