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A very bad decision in Italy, first 6 rounds Nasser cotrolled the fight off the jab, landing right hands at will and catching Della rosa with the left hook, when Della Rosa lunged in, on the outside Nasser too fast and technically too good for Della rosa, the only danger was the overhand right because of Nassers low lead hand at times, it was open scoring and though it was close at times when read out, the scores at best were baffling, even the WBC officials when handing the scores between rounds were embarressed, by the 6th round Della Rosa was frustrated and tryed to rougth up Nasser with dirty tactics and also started charging in with his head all the time opening up a cut above Nassers left eye, Nasser did not let that effect him and started give it to Della Rosa, while still in control, it was a really good pace, but the strength of Della Rosa was a problem in the clinch, the Nasser was forced to fight, and fight he did, loading up on Della rosa at will, Della Rosa came back with explosive hooks, but Nasser was throwing the more cleaner shots, some middle rounds were toe to toe with Nasser trying to stop Della Rosa because of the inacurate scoring, Nasser got tired for a couple of rounds, but so was Della rosa, then Nasser got his second wind and made a strong finish, 9, 10, 11, Nasser gave so much in them rounds, that he did have a lot left in the last round, Della Rosa had a little bit left in the last round and just took the last, I though Nasser won the fight by 8 rounds, but we knew it was close going into the last few rounds judging by the open scoring, the thing is in hindsight if we had won the last Nasser would have got the draw against the no 11 in the world and champion Della Rosa, but what cost us was the judges not scoring the early rounds Nasser dominated, to him. The WBC were so imrpessed with Nassers performance they are going recomend him for a high world ranking, not the Della rosa ranking, that he should have got but a high ranking, people in Rome have been coming up to us all the time who seen it on Tv or at the stadium, contratulating Nasser on his performance and complememting him on his ability, they have so far told us that they thought Nasser won the fight, after the fight Nasser descibed Della Rosa as "the strongest person he has shared a ring with, fights or sparring". Della Rosa said "Nasser was very fast and so accurate." Where do we go from here ? Well the WBC want him to fight for the Siver title, as it is not on the cards for a rematch and Della Rosa defending in Britain against Nasser, not suprisingly ? Della Rosa is now going to America and a crack at the WBC World Siver title. I am very proud of Nasser, he had only done a maximum of 7 rounds before, had only three and a half weeks to prepare for this fight after a virus and swollen glands, he went into the lions den against a more experienced fighter and put on a great performance, showed he could fight as well as box agaist a very strong man, his chin passed the test and showed the ability to change his tactics and style in the fight.

safeerah wrote:A very bad decision in Italy, first 6 rounds Nasser cotrolled the fight off the jab, landing right hands at will and catching Della rosa with the left hook, when Della Rosa lunged in, on the outside Nasser too fast and technically too good for Della rosa, the only danger was the overhand right because of Nassers low lead hand at times, it was open scoring and though it was close at times when read out, the scores at best were baffling, even the WBC officials when handing the scores between rounds were embarressed, by the 6th round Della Rosa was frustrated and tryed to rougth up Nasser with dirty tactics and also started charging in with his head all the time opening up a cut above Nassers left eye, Nasser did not let that effect him and started give it to Della Rosa, while still in control, it was a really good pace, but the strength of Della Rosa was a problem in the clinch, the Nasser was forced to fight, and fight he did, loading up on Della rosa at will, Della Rosa came back with explosive hooks, but Nasser was throwing the more cleaner shots, some middle rounds were toe to toe with Nasser trying to stop Della Rosa because of the inacurate scoring, Nasser got tired for a couple of rounds, but so was Della rosa, then Nasser got his second wind and made a strong finish, 9, 10, 11, Nasser gave so much in them rounds, that he did have a lot left in the last round, Della Rosa had a little bit left in the last round and just took the last, I though Nasser won the fight by 8 rounds, but we knew it was close going into the last few rounds judging by the open scoring, the thing is in hindsight if we had won the last Nasser would have got the draw against the no 11 in the world and champion Della Rosa, but what cost us was the judges not scoring the early rounds Nasser dominated, to him. The WBC were so imrpessed with Nassers performance they are going recomend him for a high world ranking, not the Della rosa ranking, that he should have got but a high ranking, people in Rome have been coming up to us all the time who seen it on Tv or at the stadium, contratulating Nasser on his performance and complememting him on his ability, they have so far told us that they thought Nasser won the fight, after the fight Nasser descibed Della Rosa as "the strongest person he has shared a ring with, fights or sparring". Della Rosa said "Nasser was very fast and so accurate." Where do we go from here ? Well the WBC want him to fight for the Siver title, as it is not on the cards for a rematch and Della Rosa defending in Britain against Nasser, not suprisingly ? Della Rosa is now going to America and a crack at the WBC World Siver title. I am very proud of Nasser, he had only done a maximum of 7 rounds before, had only three and a half weeks to prepare for this fight after a virus and swollen glands, he went into the lions den against a more experienced fighter and put on a great performance, showed he could fight as well as box agaist a very strong man, his chin passed the test and showed the ability to change his tactics and style in the fight.

Well done for taking this fight Saf /Nas .We all knew you can only win in those countries with a KO but it sounds like more was gained than lost in the long run. I think you are doing the best thing with fighting for WBC titles and not concentrating on the British domestic belts as you get reconized you might not need these belts. Well done!

Was the fight recorded naj? Would love to see it. Sounds like Nas came of age in this fight.

MachoMan09 wrote:Getting a raw deal in Italy was to be expected. The old cliché about having to knock the guy out to get a draw is more apt in Italy than probably anywhere else in Europe.

We knew that, but we thought a dominating performace would do the trick, it was always going to be hard to stop a strong fighter like Della Rosa, so Nasser set a fast pace with high punch stats, hoping to get him later when he tired, but we always knew we had nothing to lose.

mcato wrote:

safeerah wrote:A very bad decision in Italy, first 6 rounds Nasser cotrolled the fight off the jab, landing right hands at will and catching Della rosa with the left hook, when Della Rosa lunged in, on the outside Nasser too fast and technically too good for Della rosa, the only danger was the overhand right because of Nassers low lead hand at times, it was open scoring and though it was close at times when read out, the scores at best were baffling, even the WBC officials when handing the scores between rounds were embarressed, by the 6th round Della Rosa was frustrated and tryed to rougth up Nasser with dirty tactics and also started charging in with his head all the time opening up a cut above Nassers left eye, Nasser did not let that effect him and started give it to Della Rosa, while still in control, it was a really good pace, but the strength of Della Rosa was a problem in the clinch, the Nasser was forced to fight, and fight he did, loading up on Della rosa at will, Della Rosa came back with explosive hooks, but Nasser was throwing the more cleaner shots, some middle rounds were toe to toe with Nasser trying to stop Della Rosa because of the inacurate scoring, Nasser got tired for a couple of rounds, but so was Della rosa, then Nasser got his second wind and made a strong finish, 9, 10, 11, Nasser gave so much in them rounds, that he did have a lot left in the last round, Della Rosa had a little bit left in the last round and just took the last, I though Nasser won the fight by 8 rounds, but we knew it was close going into the last few rounds judging by the open scoring, the thing is in hindsight if we had won the last Nasser would have got the draw against the no 11 in the world and champion Della Rosa, but what cost us was the judges not scoring the early rounds Nasser dominated, to him. The WBC were so imrpessed with Nassers performance they are going recomend him for a high world ranking, not the Della rosa ranking, that he should have got but a high ranking, people in Rome have been coming up to us all the time who seen it on Tv or at the stadium, contratulating Nasser on his performance and complememting him on his ability, they have so far told us that they thought Nasser won the fight, after the fight Nasser descibed Della Rosa as "the strongest person he has shared a ring with, fights or sparring". Della Rosa said "Nasser was very fast and so accurate." Where do we go from here ? Well the WBC want him to fight for the Siver title, as it is not on the cards for a rematch and Della Rosa defending in Britain against Nasser, not suprisingly ? Della Rosa is now going to America and a crack at the WBC World Siver title. I am very proud of Nasser, he had only done a maximum of 7 rounds before, had only three and a half weeks to prepare for this fight after a virus and swollen glands, he went into the lions den against a more experienced fighter and put on a great performance, showed he could fight as well as box agaist a very strong man, his chin passed the test and showed the ability to change his tactics and style in the fight.

Well done for taking this fight Saf /Nas .We all knew you can only win in those countries with a KO but it sounds like more was gained than lost in the long run. I think you are doing the best thing with fighting for WBC titles and not concentrating on the British domestic belts as you get reconized you might not need these belts. Well done!

Thanks mate, quite right, we could get a world ranking and another WBC title fight out of this. The most pleasing thing is the Italian crowd gave Nasser great applause after the contest before left the ring and after, some of them shouting winner.

Unlucky Saf. I managed to see the first 6rounds and was very impresed. I had you up 4-2 when the stream i was watching crashed out. The doubling and trippling up of the jab was good to watch and it looked like he was hurting him when he put the power on him. One thing I would say is that he looked abit open to a right hand over the top but apart from that looked very good against a good operator. Im not gonna say im a total believer now however i can see where youre coming from in some of your posts. Even though you didnt win got to give you credit for taking it and putting up a good show from what i saw. Good luck to you and nas for future fights.

The Insider wrote:Was the fight recorded naj? Would love to see it. Sounds like Nas came of age in this fight.

Yes it was filmed on Sport Italia we have been given a copy, so when I get back will put it up.

smoggy7188 wrote:Unlucky Saf. I managed to see the first 6rounds and was very impresed. I had you up 4-2 when the stream i was watching crashed out. The doubling and trippling up of the jab was good to watch and it looked like he was hurting him when he put the power on him. One thing I would say is that he looked abit open to a right hand over the top but apart from that looked very good against a good operator. Im not gonna say im a total believer now however i can see where youre coming from in some of your posts. Even though you didnt win got to give you credit for taking it and putting up a good show from what i saw. Good luck to you and nas for future fights.

Thanks mate, yes I told him in the fight about it, it was Della Rosa only way in, but then he started to roll it and come back with second phase attack, I am sure we will make you a believer in the future.

safeerah wrote:

The Insider wrote:Was the fight recorded naj? Would love to see it. Sounds like Nas came of age in this fight.

Yes it was filmed on Sport Italia we have been given a copy, so when I get back will put it up.

Thank you.

Saf i dont want to start an argument but would Nas still fight Frankie Gavin if given the oppertunity?

mcato wrote:Saf i dont want to start an argument but would Nas still fight Frankie Gavin if given the oppertunity?

Not at Upton Park Lol, would fight him later after a rest from his 12 rounder in Italy, but might struggle with 10.7, he is getting bigger and more muscular and on last nights performance, against the odds he is capable of out boxing anyone in the country, Nasser is getting better all the time, Frankie does not need Nasser at the moment, he needs a major title shot, quickly, to quell the baying doubters, unfair in my opinion, but reality.

Can't comment on the fight because I haven't seen it yet, but I'll say one thing - I imagine you might get more offers than you did before. Sometimes a loss (whatever the circumstances) can open doors that were previously shut.

I followed a few round by rounds, and it said Nasser got bad cut or something ?

Then shortly after Rendall got cut too.

Was it a punch or head clash ?

G0mez wrote:I followed a few round by rounds, and it said Nasser got bad cut or something ?

Then shortly after Rendall got cut too.

Was it a punch or head clash ?

Della Rosa was frustrated that he could not hit Nasser and he was getting stung with constant jabs and right hands, so he started charging Nas with his head and head butted Nasser many times, it was not a bad cut, I got it under control quickly, Nasser opened up 2 or 3 cuts around Della rosa's left eyes because of the right hands he was winging in round Della Rosa's guard.

JamesH wrote:Can't comment on the fight because I haven't seen it yet, but I'll say one thing - I imagine you might get more offers than you did before. Sometimes a loss (whatever the circumstances) can open doors that were previously shut.

I think so, The WBC told me in Italy that Nasser's performance was so good, that they are recommending him for a world ranking and another title shot, Della Rosa is going to America next for a World title shot I was told by the WBC and his team, so that is good for Nasser too, I mean Nasser got robbed in the home town of the no 11 in the world, who has fought for a world title in Germany against Zbik ,only losing by split decision and who is now fighting for a world title in the USA, Nasser boxed his head off at times and out fought him at times, not bad for a young 22 year old who has had only 14 fights and who only started boxing at around 15 years old.

[quote="MachoMan09"]Saf, (I'm sure you've already considered this but I'll make my point anyway) I think you should be wary that Nasser doesn't get used as a glorified show-filler/trial-horse. Nasser is a flashy looking, game fighter, but not a dangerous puncher. This means overseas promoters can be pretty safe in the knowledge that by bringing him over to fight their boys they'll get value for money without putting their lads at much risk. The fights will look good but their lad is unlikely to get chinned - and, as we know, the scorecards can say what they want them to say.[/quote

I think you are being unfair and not giving him enough credit for a great performance, you seem a bit blinkered with your opinion here , you don't know him or what improvements he has been making with his power, strength and skills, he is only 22 and at only 40% of potential, come 25 or 26 years old he will be at his peak, Nasser hurt Della rosa in there and stiffened his legs in there a few times, you did not see the fight so I find your statement too dismissive at such an early stage, you have to take risks in boxing to get to the top, if he had got the last round on the judges cards he would have been given a draw and if he had drawn another round he would have won the title and got a top ten world ranking, thats how close the scoring was, no matter that he was robbed anyway, you can't win what ever you do, if you pick the rights fights to protect his unbeaten record, you get adversely criticised and if you put him in there for fights like this you are setting him up to become a trial horse, you are obsessed with power, boxing is about many things skill, speed, movement, punch resistance, durability, stamina, strength ect not just power, Malinaggi considered a none puncher won a world title in europe, along with many others over the years, Della Rosa told us Nasser hurt him in the fight and I have to say that is the hardest so far Nasser has hit anybody in a fight, in the gym he has stopped fighters, so I know he can hit, you should also understand that he is only 22 years old and will develop a lot of strength via man strength alone as he gets older, never mind the strength and power training we do in the gym.

[quote="safeerah"][quote="MachoMan09"]Saf, (I'm sure you've already considered this but I'll make my point anyway) I think you should be wary that Nasser doesn't get used as a glorified show-filler/trial-horse. Nasser is a flashy looking, game fighter, but not a dangerous puncher. This means overseas promoters can be pretty safe in the knowledge that by bringing him over to fight their boys they'll get value for money without putting their lads at much risk. The fights will look good but their lad is unlikely to get chinned - and, as we know, the scorecards can say what they want them to say.[/quote

I think you are being unfair and not giving him enough credit for a great performance, you seem a bit blinkered with your opinion here , you don't know him or what improvements he has been making with his power, strength and skills, he is only 22 and at only 40% of potential, come 25 or 26 years old he will be at his peak, Nasser hurt Della rosa in there and stiffened his legs in there a few times, you did not see the fight so I find your statement too dismissive at such an early stage, you have to take risks in boxing to get to the top, if he had got the last round on the judges cards he would have been given a draw and if he had drawn another round he would have won the title and got a top ten world ranking, thats how close the scoring was, no matter that he was robbed anyway, you can't win what ever you do, if you pick the rights fights to protect his unbeaten record, you get adversely criticised and if you put him in there for fights like this you are setting him up to become a trial horse, you are obsessed with power, boxing is about many things skill, speed, movement, punch resistance, durability, stamina, strength ect not just power, Malinaggi considered a none puncher won a world title in europe, along with many others over the years, Della Rosa told us Nasser hurt him in the fight and I have to say that is the hardest so far Nasser has hit anybody in a fight, in the gym he has stopped fighters, so I know he can hit, you should also understand that he is only 22 years old and will develop a lot of strength via man strength alone as he gets older, never mind the strength and power training we do in the gym.[/quot

Look at Selby stopping everyone since he fought for the title, before hardly anyone at lower class, Cleverley regarded a none puncher, then went on a stoppage spree, don't be fooled by people fighting for big promoters who have big stoppage records based on good matchmaking and refs jumping when ever they throw a flurry, you have more chance of being robbed here then anywhere else.

^^ great example why it's seemingly impossible to engage you in any form of dialogue. he says he thinks you should be wary, you call it dismissive.

MachoMan09 wrote:Saf, (I'm sure you've already considered this but I'll make my point anyway) I think you should be wary that Nasser doesn't get used as a glorified show-filler/trial-horse. Nasser is a flashy looking, game fighter, but not a dangerous puncher. This means overseas promoters can be pretty safe in the knowledge that by bringing him over to fight their boys they'll get value for money without putting their lads at much risk. The fights will look good but their lad is unlikely to get chinned - and, as we know, the scorecards can say what they want them to say.

I understand what you're saying, but that won't happen.
Nasser had an opportunity, the guy had a padded record himself and the risk v reward was great enough to take the fight.
i'm proud of how he performed and he will have learnt plenty from the fight - regardless of result.
He knows he has bags of ability and is young, plenty of time to develop and now will have the confidence going championship distance.

English title shot won't be far off now and then progress from there.

d wrote:

MachoMan09 wrote:Saf, (I'm sure you've already considered this but I'll make my point anyway) I think you should be wary that Nasser doesn't get used as a glorified show-filler/trial-horse. Nasser is a flashy looking, game fighter, but not a dangerous puncher. This means overseas promoters can be pretty safe in the knowledge that by bringing him over to fight their boys they'll get value for money without putting their lads at much risk. The fights will look good but their lad is unlikely to get chinned - and, as we know, the scorecards can say what they want them to say.

I understand what you're saying, but that won't happen.
Nasser had an opportunity, the guy had a padded record himself and the risk v reward was great enough to take the fight.
i'm proud of how he performed and he will have learnt plenty from the fight - regardless of result.
He knows he has bags of ability and is young, plenty of time to develop and now will have the confidence going championship distance.

English title shot won't be far off now and then progress from there.

^^ great example of how to respond to Machos post

d wrote:regardless of result.
He knows he has bags of ability and is young, plenty of time to develop and now will have the confidence going championship distance.

English title shot won't be far off now and then progress from there.

Agreed, its Important Nas has now been tested over a full 12 rounds and obviously gave a good account of himself, thats another box ticked imo. He can take far more positives than negatives from this experience and it will make him a better boxer.

Counter-puncher wrote:^^ great example why it's seemingly impossible to engage you in any form of dialogue. he says he thinks you should be wary, you call it dismissive.

I answered with why he is wrong to assume such things, what can't you understand about that ?

Lenny wrote:

d wrote:

MachoMan09 wrote:Saf, (I'm sure you've already considered this but I'll make my point anyway) I think you should be wary that Nasser doesn't get used as a glorified show-filler/trial-horse. Nasser is a flashy looking, game fighter, but not a dangerous puncher. This means overseas promoters can be pretty safe in the knowledge that by bringing him over to fight their boys they'll get value for money without putting their lads at much risk. The fights will look good but their lad is unlikely to get chinned - and, as we know, the scorecards can say what they want them to say.

I understand what you're saying, but that won't happen.
Nasser had an opportunity, the guy had a padded record himself and the risk v reward was great enough to take the fight.
i'm proud of how he performed and he will have learnt plenty from the fight - regardless of result.
He knows he has bags of ability and is young, plenty of time to develop and now will have the confidence going championship distance.

English title shot won't be far off now and then progress from there.

^^ great example of how to respond to Machos post

good to see

Lenny wrote:

d wrote:

MachoMan09 wrote:Saf, (I'm sure you've already considered this but I'll make my point anyway) I think you should be wary that Nasser doesn't get used as a glorified show-filler/trial-horse. Nasser is a flashy looking, game fighter, but not a dangerous puncher. This means overseas promoters can be pretty safe in the knowledge that by bringing him over to fight their boys they'll get value for money without putting their lads at much risk. The fights will look good but their lad is unlikely to get chinned - and, as we know, the scorecards can say what they want them to say.

I understand what you're saying, but that won't happen.
Nasser had an opportunity, the guy had a padded record himself and the risk v reward was great enough to take the fight.
i'm proud of how he performed and he will have learnt plenty from the fight - regardless of result.
He knows he has bags of ability and is young, plenty of time to develop and now will have the confidence going championship distance.

English title shot won't be far off now and then progress from there.

^^ great example of how to respond to Machos post

Sorry, I will try to pander to your ego's more in future, OK !

safeerah wrote:Sorry, I will try to pander to your ego's more in future, OK !

Thank you