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Some questions I have:

1. Is the idea that there are banned substances in over the counter meds a myth put out by some fighters and promoters, or is it actually the case that innocently taking a painkiller can put you on the wrong side of a drugs test?

2. If this is true of many over the counter products, given the long history of boxers claiming these products to be the cause of a failed test, why have supplements companies not started producing their own brand painkillers etc which are guaranteed, in the same way as the other products they sell, to be within the rules?

3. If this is true of many over the counter products, would it not be simpler and easier for the drug-testing organisation to issue a database of products, as the knowledge becomes available to them, noting which are sanctioned under their rules and which would produce a failed test?

1. Is the idea that there are banned substances in over the counter meds a myth put out by some fighters and promoters, or is it actually the case that innocently taking a painkiller can put you on the wrong side of a drugs test?
Answer:Not a myth a simple product like SUDAFED which contains pseudoephedrine can cause a failed test

2. If this is true of many over the counter products, given the long history of boxers claiming these products to be the cause of a failed test, why have supplements companies not started producing their own brand painkillers etc which are guaranteed, in the same way as the other products they sell, to be within the rules?
A:Only prescription pain killers would cause a failed test

3. If this is true of many over the counter products, would it not be simpler and easier for the drug-testing organisation to issue a database of products, as the knowledge becomes available to them, noting which are sanctioned under their rules and which would produce a failed test?

A;They have this is the link http://www.globaldro.com/uk-en/

SexySouthPaw wrote: Answer:Not a myth a simple product like SUDAFED which contains pseudoephedrine can cause a failed test

A:Only prescription pain killers would cause a failed test

How do those two work then? Is sudafed prescription-only?

I was explaining simple over the counter medications like the sinus remedy Sudafed can cause a failed test and many others too.The link to the data base give the athlete an option to check any medication he intends to use and if it is with in the allowable guide lines.

SexySouthPaw wrote: A;They have this is the link http://www.globaldro.com/uk-en/

So given the existence of that - no-one has any excuse anymore then.

Co-Codamol tablets will produce a positive urine test for opiate use, (codeine) though the test would show just as 'opiate'.

As seen here http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=154022

palooka wrote:Co-Codamol tablets will produce a positive urine test for opiate use, (codeine) though the test would show just as 'opiate'.

Interestingly, it shows up fine on that website.

If an athlete buys a product from a magazine and in the advertisment it states the product passes all regulations and it doesnt surely they can get sued?

The Dark Destroyer wrote:

billy nelson wrote:If an athlete buys a product from a magazine and in the advertisment it states the product passes all regulations and it doesnt surely they can get sued?

Surely, they must be held responsible for at least false advertising.

Agreed

billy nelson wrote:If an athlete buys a product from a magazine and in the advertisment it states the product passes all regulations and it doesnt surely they can get sued?

No supplement or compound can say it has passed UKAD regulations as they refuse to endorse any or them. Their stance is that if you are using any supplements or alike you should make the tester and organisation aware of it.

@matt___s wrote:Some questions I have:

1. Is the idea that there are banned substances in over the counter meds a myth put out by some fighters and promoters, or is it actually the case that innocently taking a painkiller can put you on the wrong side of a drugs test?

2. If this is true of many over the counter products, given the long history of boxers claiming these products to be the cause of a failed test, why have supplements companies not started producing their own brand painkillers etc which are guaranteed, in the same way as the other products they sell, to be within the rules?

3. If this is true of many over the counter products, would it not be simpler and easier for the drug-testing organisation to issue a database of products, as the knowledge becomes available to them, noting which are sanctioned under their rules and which would produce a failed test?

No supplements are 100% safe according to the drug testers, not even CNP, so if they can't get an all clear by the drug testers on that, how can they on pain killers.

The Dark Destroyer wrote:

billy nelson wrote:If an athlete buys a product from a magazine and in the advertisment it states the product passes all regulations and it doesnt surely they can get sued?

Surely, they must be held responsible for at least false advertising.

As the Athlete yo are still responsible, no grey areas with the drug testers.

I once read a training guide issued to the Houston Texan by their strength and conditioning coach. The guy had worked in the NFL for years and was also a consultant to the US Army.

In his view all supplements are a total crock of shit and there is not a single one that is necessary if an athelete lives responsibly and has a proper regimented diet. He singles protein shakes out for particular venom pointing out that its often basically powdered milk but costs 20x more!

Trojans44 wrote:I once read a training guide issued to the Houston Texan by their strength and conditioning coach. The guy had worked in the NFL for years and was also a consultant to the US Army.

In his view all supplements are a total crock of shit and there is not a single one that is necessary if an athelete lives responsibly and has a proper regimented diet. He singles protein shakes out for particular venom pointing out that its often basically powdered milk but costs 20x more!

As an absolute layman, I have always thought that - they never used to have these things, and many sportsmen in many sports still compete at the top without using them... if you didn't use them you could never fail... but the issue of medications etc is more problematic.

I remember reading an interview with Paula Radcliffe and how paranoid she got about taking something by accident or having something spiked. It must be a bit of a minefield for athlete's.