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1. Must be belt holders
2. Must be the first belt holders to agree to face one another...even if to do so costs the participants their current belts.




If any two fighters fit this description....then Lonsdale pride is engaged




That is all.

Just to confirm what Buzz said over in: http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=155269

BoxBuzz wrote:1. Must be belt holders
2. Must be the first belt holders to agree to face one another...even if to do so costs the participants their current belts.
If any two fighters fit this description....then Lonsdale pride is engaged
That is all.

Here is the breakdown of criteria:

Rule 1 pretty much doesn't say anything since all four men are current World Champions, so we then move on to Rule 2...

Rule 2 - I have documented proof, which I am going to mail Buzz that me and Deadendgeneration agreed a Lonsdale fight before JDC and Sock.

And with Buzz's second ruling, a fight between Marciano and Leonard for the Lonsdale Belt is offically signed!!!

Mr Crease left this challenge to Mr Deadendgeneration:

Crease wrote: Message subject: LONSDALE FIGHT: (Week 15)
From: Crease
Sent: Mon Jul 30, 2012 5:47 pm
To: Deadendgeneration
Message
Marciano is willing to drop his WBC title to fight Benny Leonard for the Lonsdale belt.

Currently Benny and Rocky are top two highest ranked fighters in the sim. Would you be interested in (finally!) giving birth to the Lonsdale pride?

The fight is there, if you want it.

This information can be verified by Mr Deadendgeneration who recieved the mail... Or if further evidence is needed, I can forward the mail to BoxBuzz.

Deadendgeneration then went on to the Week 15 matchup thread and stated:

Deadendgeneration wrote:What are the exact ins and outs of the Londsdale belt? Who can fight for it and under what conditions? Leonard is only interested in the biggest fights for his legacy. If this is where the prestige is, then he'll take that fight.

the exact time was: Mon Jul 30, 2012 6:00 pm

compare that to:
The Duran VS Louis fight wasn't signed until:

sockdolager wrote:Duran vs Louis is signed
Isn't this for the Lonsdale, Crease? True Lineage should begin here...

And the exact time of this signing was:
Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:12 pm

And that was over one hour later.... Buzz has ruled!!!

I admire your enthusiasm Crease, but you don't half suck the fun out of The Sim.

sockdolager wrote:Message subject: Unification?
From: sockdolager
Sent: Mon Jul 30, 2012 1:28 pm
To: JDC
Message
I believe we are able to unify this week, Louis vs Duran

There it is, JDC can attest, my message was sent first. He then went on here and posted his response in a quote from The Renegade Master... at 1:37 pm

JDC wrote:

The Renegade Master wrote: DURAN wants to UNIFY with JOE LOUIS!!! ...as he is also eligible to unify his WBO with the WBA!!!...

...it is time to create the SIM RING P4P LONSDALE LINEAL CHAMPION!!!



In other news...

...SANCHEZ is looking for a WTF TITLE shot, at the newly crowned ''PRINCE'' NASEEM HAMED

This is just me reaffirming the already signed Super Fight...

sockdolager wrote:

JDC wrote:

The Renegade Master wrote: DURAN wants to UNIFY with JOE LOUIS!!! ...as he is also eligible to unify his WBO with the WBA!!!...

...it is time to create the SIM RING P4P LONSDALE LINEAL CHAMPION!!!



In other news...

...SANCHEZ is looking for a WTF TITLE shot, at the newly crowned ''PRINCE'' NASEEM HAMED

Duran vs Louis is signed

Isn't this for the Lonsdale, Crease? True Lineage should begin here...

We have an issue here, Crease, just give us the fight and you or leonard get 1st crack.

PM received from Sock

Thanks Buzz.

Crease proposed a fight to Degeneration... after Duran called out Louis:

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=155110

I copied the message into the first post on the match-up thread also.

Degeneration replied... after Sock. (as can be seen below, time and date in the quote).

sockdolager Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:12 pm wrote:

JDC wrote:

The Renegade Master wrote: DURAN wants to UNIFY with JOE LOUIS!!! ...as he is also eligible to unify his WBO with the WBA!!!...

...it is time to create the SIM RING P4P LONSDALE LINEAL CHAMPION!!!



In other news...

...SANCHEZ is looking for a WTF TITLE shot, at the newly crowned ''PRINCE'' NASEEM HAMED

Duran vs Louis is signed

Isn't this for the Lonsdale, Crease? True Lineage should begin here...

Degeneration repied... after considering a match-up with Jofre.

Deadendgeneration Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:10 pm wrote:

Crease wrote:

Deadendgeneration wrote:Leonard wants the Lonsdale fight if it sanctioned and legal.

Well that will only happen if you sign the fight against Marciano... And as such, both me will relinquish their titles.

Sign it up then. What are the rules with regards defending the Lonsdale? Only against champs willing to drop their belt?

As for D, Jofre is the highest ranked challenger for Leonard's belt so surely he can be put in against Greb for the vacant title can he not?

Crease had Marciano signed to fight Robinson for some time, and had the unification fight listed below it

JDC Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:23 pm wrote:Crease... please put the match-up (between Duran and Louis) in its rightful place; at the top of the billing... above your two bob mandatory. There's a good lad

The Renegade Master wrote: DURAN wants to UNIFY with JOE LOUIS!!!

...it is time to create the SIM RING P4P LONSDALE LINEAL CHAMPION!!!

Crease wrote:

Deadendgeneration wrote:Benny Leonard wants it if he's allowed.

Benny is not. He has only achieved 1 succesful defence in his current IBF title reign.

Crease wrote:

Deadendgeneration wrote:Leonard wants the Lonsdale fight if it sanctioned and legal.

Well that will only happen if you sign the fight against Marciano... And as such, both me will relinquish their titles.

Crease wrote:

Deadendgeneration wrote:What are the exact ins and outs of the Londsdale belt? Who can fight for it and under what conditions? Leonard is only interested in the biggest fights for his legacy. If this is where the prestige is, then he'll take that fight.

...a Londale title fight can only happen this week between Marciano & Leonard, as the other two World Champions are unwilling to drop their titles.

I don't think this needs clearing up anymore

sockdolager wrote:There it is, JDC can attest, my message was sent first. He then went on here and posted his response in a quote from The Renegade Master... at 1:37 pm

If you are telling the truth then by Buzz's 2nd ruling the Lonsdale Belt will be fought for by Roberto Duran and Joe Louis in their unification fight. For the time being, I will change the Matchups in the Week 15 thread.

Of course, just as a confirmation, I will be expecting you to send that Private Mail (with the date on it, which you won't be able to edit) to BoxBuzz so that he can verify it and finalise the sanctioning of that fight.

HOWEVER, if this turns out to be a little white lie, the Lonsdale Belt will be fought for between Marciano and Leonard, as I can state with 100% confidence that I did indeed send a Private Mail to Mr Deadendgeneration.

sockdolager wrote:We have an issue here, Crease, just give us the fight and you or leonard get 1st crack.

Actually, next week the winner of Duran/Louis will have NO choice in who they fight... They will fight the WBA Mandatory Challenger, who at this point looks like it will be Harry Greb on condition that he doesn't lose to Jimmy Wilde this week.

Crease wrote:

sockdolager wrote:There it is, JDC can attest, my message was sent first. He then went on here and posted his response in a quote from The Renegade Master... at 1:37 pm

If you are telling the truth then by Buzz's 2nd ruling the Lonsdale Belt will be fought for by Roberto Duran and Joe Louis in their unification fight. For the time being, I will change the Matchups in the Week 15 thread.

Of course, just as a confirmation, I will be expecting you to send that Private Mail (with the date on it, which you won't be able to edit) to BoxBuzz so that he can verify it and finalise the sanctioning of that fight.

HOWEVER, if this turns out to be a little white lie, the Lonsdale Belt will be fought for between Marciano and Leonard, as I can state with 100% confidence that I did indeed send a Private Mail to Mr Deadendgeneration.

sockdolager wrote:We have an issue here, Crease, just give us the fight and you or leonard get 1st crack.

Actually, next week the winner of Duran/Louis will have NO choice in who they fight... They will fight the WBA Mandatory Challenger, who at this point looks like it will be Harry Greb on condition that he doesn't lose to Jimmy Wilde this week.

Crease... this post was made on Mon Jul 30, 2012 1:10 am

JDC wrote:The WBA ordered a special press conference to commemorate this outlandish event. Duran's third title defence has resulted in the organisation allowing him to keep the belt. He posed for photographers, in the belt he now truly owned...



...Eder Jofre pushed Duran all the way. A rematch is definitely in order, in the near future. Although Duran is hoping to unify, if given the opportunity...

The Renegade Master wrote: DURAN wants to UNIFY with JOE LOUIS!!! ...as he is also eligible to unify his WBO with the WBA!!!...

...it is time to create the SIM RING P4P LONSDALE LINEAL CHAMPION!!!



In other news...

...SANCHEZ is looking for a WTF TITLE shot, at the newly crowned ''PRINCE'' NASEEM HAMED

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=155110

So, it beats your PM... by about 17 hours. Your play at the belt was reactive... why are you trying to make out you played the card first?

We all know what happened.

DetroitHxC wrote:It's pretty clear that Crease is wrong.

Howabout you remove your cock from JDC's ass for a while... WOuldn't that make a nice change?

Since there is genuine disagreement, and neither side is willing to stand down, I wish to bring up some "mitigating circumstances".

There is a commish involved in this discussion....always vulnerable to the ol "conflict of interest" accusation. So I would offer a suggestion that he lead by showing patience and offer up humility by retracting his claim. It would be a courtesy to allow the other champions to go forward in the midst of what appears to be GENUINE AMBIGUITY as to who is the rightful pursuer of this honor.

If crease feels with every fiber of his being, that in fact he is due this respect....then we can discuss options.



Answer me this clearly as it is pivotal IMHO.....

which champion FIRST ADVERTISED HIS WILLINGESS TO TAKE THIS RISK?

I believe this champion is due Lonsdale respect, because he was the first to act in the spirit of Lonsdale pride.

Granted it takes two to tango, but this honor is about FIRSTS.

It should be an easy question to answer....if it is not, then as I say...we can further discuss options.

I proposed the fight, before the match-up thread was made

I may be a bit late to this argument but I believe that the pm's shouldn't count in this argument all that should count is what was made first in the OFFICIAL match thread not talked about or conditions asked but 100% signed just my 2c

I don't want to be overly technical or lawyerly about the "where" debate, as Lonsdale officials are more interested in the fighting spirit by nature, in addition....I do agree that a "PM" would not be appropriate as "evidence".

However the open thread that JDC created, does appear to be the first recorded incident of a champion that was willing to risk it all by challenging another champion.

Crease.....would you agree that JDC was the FIRST to bring this subject up? Putting him in first place as to "when' regarding the general subject matter?

In which case is it then your wish to argue the "where" aspect of this disagreement? Or the "opponents response" tangent?


If we are unable to come to a gentlemans agreement, I may be forced to make an executive decision.

BoxBuzz wrote:There is a commish involved in this discussion....always vulnerable to the ol "conflict of interest" accusation. So I would offer a suggestion that he lead by showing patience and offer up humility by retracting his claim.

In light of this eloquent point made by Mr Buzz. I hereby withdraw Marciano's claim to the Lonsdale Belt.

And I do so with a suggestion: In the future days to come, the Lonsdale Belt will only be fought for by two Super Champions... This will start a precedence and will ensure that the Lonsdale Pride is maintained and endures...

Crease wrote:
In light of this eloquent point made by Mr Buzz. I hereby withdraw Marciano's claim to the Lonsdale Belt.

The Lonsdale governing body, accepts these words, and appreciates the sincerity, and brilliance in which they have been communicated.

It is now time to move forward.