Historic Find: Martinez-Chavez Jr. Controversy?
Posted: 12 Sep 2012, 10:26
A possible historic find (gamblers beware):
Sergio Martinez may be Ceferino Garcia’s modern era counterpart (from Floyd’s/Henry’s perspective) but standing on his own (in this particular matchup – boxers can play numerous ‘roles’ within their careers), there are strong consistencies with the Mike McCallum-James Toney world MW title bouts of two decades prior.
Here are some of the consistencies (again, in this particular scenario):
Former world JMW titlist (vacated) and former world MW title holder (stripped) Mike McCallum attempts to become a 2-time world MW champion by challenging the much younger (by more than a decade), undefeated world MW champion James Toney.
The bout (12/13/1991) ends in controversy as many believe that McCallum deserves the verdict but the match is declared a “draw” (D 12). The rematch takes place the following year (8/29/1992) but again ends in controversy – with Toney on the receiving end of a ‘win’ via a majority decision (MD 12).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ru60nOgqVu4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alzuyCRj ... re=related
There are a few other historic matchups that somewhat resemble the upcoming bout on (9/15/2012):
(10/18/2008): Bernard Hopkins-Kelly Pavlik [Hopkins gives the seventeen years younger, reigning world MW title holder Pavlik his first defeat (UD 12) in an above-the-weight limit, non-title bout].
(5/1/1957): Ray Robinson-Gene Fullmer II [Robinson regains the world MW title by becoming the first to stop (KO 5) the ten years younger, defending world MW champion Fullmer].
(9/27/1946; 6/10/1948): Tony Zale-Rocky Graziano I & III [Zale retains/regains the world MW title by becoming the first and second to stop (KO 6/3) the eight years younger, one time world MW champion Graziano].
The Hopkins, Robinson and Zale bouts do not appear to have the consistency as does the McCallum-Toney bout(s) – but only time will tell…
P.S.
Still awaiting Pacquiao’s “decision” on whom his opponent will be for the December 8th match.
Before I make these next statements, I will first say that I am a researcher and not a gambler or do I desire to be a judge. I am far too conservative to be either. Now, one may ask, what makes a conservative judge (as a conservative gambler is obviously one who does not gamble)?
A conservative judge will, if a round(s) are reasonably close, score the round(s) even (i.e. 10-10).
With these statements made (no attacks please), I did score the Pacquiao-Bradley match for Bradley (5 rounds even, 4 rounds for Bradley and 3 rounds for Pacquiao); hence, Bradley, on my lone scorecard, wins by one point; go back and look at the final three rounds, especially the championship rounds (11 & 12) – does that look like a champion finishing a fight??
Rounds 8-11:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hm1zPPjH ... re=related
Round 12 & decision:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkE1rqh5 ... ure=relmfu
In all fairness, of the 5 rounds I scored even (10-10), at least 3 or 4 of them did appear to slightly favor Pacquiao; hence, I can understand most seeing the bout for Manny but I have a difficult time understanding how two judges (unless they would have scored a high number of rounds even – and none of them even scored one round even) could score it outright for Bradley.
(Link below) - Judges’ scorecards for Pacquiao-Bradley:
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/11743 ... radley.JPG
If my judging skills (thus far) do not shock you – check this out: I scored all three Ali-Norton bouts for Ali (yes, even the first and third ones) and guess what folks, I am NOT an Ali fan.
Still not bad enough – how about this: I scored both Holmes-Spinks bouts for Spinks.
Again, I scored a number of rounds even – in the third Ali-Norton bout, I think I scored about 9 rounds even.
And remember folks, I have admitted to being a terrible judge; hence, there is no need to restate that...
Sergio Martinez may be Ceferino Garcia’s modern era counterpart (from Floyd’s/Henry’s perspective) but standing on his own (in this particular matchup – boxers can play numerous ‘roles’ within their careers), there are strong consistencies with the Mike McCallum-James Toney world MW title bouts of two decades prior.
Here are some of the consistencies (again, in this particular scenario):
Former world JMW titlist (vacated) and former world MW title holder (stripped) Mike McCallum attempts to become a 2-time world MW champion by challenging the much younger (by more than a decade), undefeated world MW champion James Toney.
The bout (12/13/1991) ends in controversy as many believe that McCallum deserves the verdict but the match is declared a “draw” (D 12). The rematch takes place the following year (8/29/1992) but again ends in controversy – with Toney on the receiving end of a ‘win’ via a majority decision (MD 12).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ru60nOgqVu4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alzuyCRj ... re=related
There are a few other historic matchups that somewhat resemble the upcoming bout on (9/15/2012):
(10/18/2008): Bernard Hopkins-Kelly Pavlik [Hopkins gives the seventeen years younger, reigning world MW title holder Pavlik his first defeat (UD 12) in an above-the-weight limit, non-title bout].
(5/1/1957): Ray Robinson-Gene Fullmer II [Robinson regains the world MW title by becoming the first to stop (KO 5) the ten years younger, defending world MW champion Fullmer].
(9/27/1946; 6/10/1948): Tony Zale-Rocky Graziano I & III [Zale retains/regains the world MW title by becoming the first and second to stop (KO 6/3) the eight years younger, one time world MW champion Graziano].
The Hopkins, Robinson and Zale bouts do not appear to have the consistency as does the McCallum-Toney bout(s) – but only time will tell…
P.S.
Still awaiting Pacquiao’s “decision” on whom his opponent will be for the December 8th match.
Before I make these next statements, I will first say that I am a researcher and not a gambler or do I desire to be a judge. I am far too conservative to be either. Now, one may ask, what makes a conservative judge (as a conservative gambler is obviously one who does not gamble)?
A conservative judge will, if a round(s) are reasonably close, score the round(s) even (i.e. 10-10).
With these statements made (no attacks please), I did score the Pacquiao-Bradley match for Bradley (5 rounds even, 4 rounds for Bradley and 3 rounds for Pacquiao); hence, Bradley, on my lone scorecard, wins by one point; go back and look at the final three rounds, especially the championship rounds (11 & 12) – does that look like a champion finishing a fight??
Rounds 8-11:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hm1zPPjH ... re=related
Round 12 & decision:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkE1rqh5 ... ure=relmfu
In all fairness, of the 5 rounds I scored even (10-10), at least 3 or 4 of them did appear to slightly favor Pacquiao; hence, I can understand most seeing the bout for Manny but I have a difficult time understanding how two judges (unless they would have scored a high number of rounds even – and none of them even scored one round even) could score it outright for Bradley.
(Link below) - Judges’ scorecards for Pacquiao-Bradley:
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/11743 ... radley.JPG
If my judging skills (thus far) do not shock you – check this out: I scored all three Ali-Norton bouts for Ali (yes, even the first and third ones) and guess what folks, I am NOT an Ali fan.
Still not bad enough – how about this: I scored both Holmes-Spinks bouts for Spinks.
Again, I scored a number of rounds even – in the third Ali-Norton bout, I think I scored about 9 rounds even.
And remember folks, I have admitted to being a terrible judge; hence, there is no need to restate that...