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Its been a hell of a long time since he went in prison. Any news on how he is doing anyone?

None.

His scheduled release date is 1/3/24. He's in federal prison in Bastrop, Texas.

Rover wrote:His scheduled release date is 1/3/24. He's in federal prison in Bastrop, Texas.

fornicating hell, what did he do? How long has he been in there?

Rocky Balboa wrote:

Rover wrote:His scheduled release date is 1/3/24. He's in federal prison in Bastrop, Texas.

effing hell, what did he do? How long has he been in there?

dealing drugs, and i believe he crossed state lines too.

Counter-puncher wrote:

Rocky Balboa wrote:

Rover wrote:His scheduled release date is 1/3/24. He's in federal prison in Bastrop, Texas.

effing hell, what did he do? How long has he been in there?

dealing drugs, and i believe he crossed state lines too.

Correct.
The feds really crack down on that stuff. I think he got 24 years, and federal prisoners are required to serve 85% of their sentences. Their is no longer parole in the federal system.

He only got caught with 1kg but they threw the proverbial book at him.

Drug dealing is a terrible thing but you cant help but feel sorry it has ended up like this for Michael and he got such a grotesquely excessive sentence. I hope somehow the sentence can be reduced but he has already done too long.

When he went in, he had been in good form beating William Guthrie.

They eff'd him with a long sentence b'cos he'd had a bookfull of previous visits to the judges bench. Tons of traffic infractions, dui's, raucous behaviour, posession, etc... Nobody needs to feel sorry for Nunn. He had the world in his hands, and he chose to play the fool.

mugabi wrote:He only got caught with 1kg but they threw the proverbial book at him.

Drug dealing is a terrible thing but you cant help but feel sorry it has ended up like this for Michael and he got such a grotesquely excessive sentence. I hope somehow the sentence can be reduced but he has already done too long.

When he went in, he had been in good form beating William Guthrie.

Don't feel sorry for Nunn at all. He made quite a bit of money and achieved a good deal of popularity. (He had a lot of celebrity fans during his heyday.) He made the choice to deal drugs. He deserved what he got. It's highly unlikely his sentence will be reduced so long after its imposition; the time to appeal that has long since expired, and, if he appealed already, the appeal obviously failed.

boxbible wrote:They eff'd him with a long sentence b'cos he'd had a bookfull of previous visits to the judges bench. Tons of traffic infractions, dui's, raucous behaviour, posession, etc... Nobody needs to feel sorry for Nunn. He had the world in his hands, and he chose to play the fool.

Exactly. Criminal history is a big part of sentencing; in the federal system, they have criminal categories along one axis of a grid and corresponding levels relating to the particular offense on the other side. They match these axes up and this produces a sentencing range. The judge can deviate from this range, as the guidelines are only advisory; however, some offenses have statutorily imposed mandatory minima that must be followed. This is especially true in narcotics cases.

Im sorry to disagree guys but a long time ago i read the ins and outs of the case and i have no doubt the sentencing was excessive. It was one of those 3 strikes and your out and fornicate u if the first two strikes were for a parking violation and the second for DUI. Nunn had the world at his feet but in this dirty game of boxing the schysters, trainers and lawyers who werent taking the punches screwed him as well as his own lavish , immature tastes and spending habits. Sure he deserved to do a long time , perhaps ten years but this 24 year bullshit!! sorry lads but we will just have to agree to disagree on this one.

mugabi wrote:Im sorry to disagree guys but a long time ago i read the ins and outs of the case and i have no doubt the sentencing was excessive. It was one of those 3 strikes and your out and eff u if the first two strikes were for a parking violation and the second for DUI. Nunn had the world at his feet but in this dirty game of boxing the schysters, trainers and lawyers who werent taking the punches screwed him as well as his own lavish , immature tastes and spending habits. Sure he deserved to do a long time , perhaps ten years but this 24 year bullshit!! sorry lads but we will just have to agree to disagree on this one.

Just because slimy lawyers/advisors screwed him doesn't justify what he did. He should've hired better people. Parking violations aren't part of a criminal history, so they wouldn't have counted against him. As for DUIs, they darned well should count. Drunk driving endangers others' lives.

mugabi wrote:Im sorry to disagree guys but a long time ago i read the ins and outs of the case and i have no doubt the sentencing was excessive. It was one of those 3 strikes and your out and eff u if the first two strikes were for a parking violation and the second for DUI. Nunn had the world at his feet but in this dirty game of boxing the schysters, trainers and lawyers who werent taking the punches screwed him as well as his own lavish , immature tastes and spending habits. Sure he deserved to do a long time , perhaps ten years but this 24 year bullshit!! sorry lads but we will just have to agree to disagree on this one.

I have to agree, 24 years is extremely harsh

Rover wrote:

mugabi wrote:He only got caught with 1kg but they threw the proverbial book at him.

Drug dealing is a terrible thing but you cant help but feel sorry it has ended up like this for Michael and he got such a grotesquely excessive sentence. I hope somehow the sentence can be reduced but he has already done too long.

When he went in, he had been in good form beating William Guthrie.

Don't feel sorry for Nunn at all. He made quite a bit of money and achieved a good deal of popularity. (He had a lot of celebrity fans during his heyday.) He made the choice to deal drugs. He deserved what he got. It's highly unlikely his sentence will be reduced so long after its imposition; the time to appeal that has long since expired, and, if he appealed already, the appeal obviously failed.

I think it's fair to say that in his boxing career Nunn got shortchanged after the Toney fight. Outside of the ring is a different story.

Rover, where do I say that quote "just because slimy lawyers/advisors screwed him" that justifies what he did? I dont.
What I do say is that he deserved a long sentence. Perhaps ten or twelve years. Not 24!! That is insane and 24 is just when he comes up for parole. He may not get parole!!!

The "he should've hired better people" line is pretty churlish. He had Surkein and the Goosens with him. As good as they were or werent the industry standard at that time was for a manager to take a 33% cut so the fighter was screwed cos that was just the way it was done back than. very very few fighters understood contracts back than. A SRL back than was an exception to the rule. But I do agree with you in that ultimately Nunns lavish spending, immaturity and the money will never run out mentality as well as his dabbling in drugs is what screwed him as well as his losing to Liles and Small at crucial times and not taking fights with Duran, SRL,Hearns back when they could have been made and fighting Starling and Curry instead. The Toney loss i excuse.

mugabi wrote:Rover, where do I say that quote "just because slimy lawyers/advisors screwed him" that justifies what he did? I dont.
What I do say is that he deserved a long sentence. Perhaps ten or twelve years. Not 24!! That is insane and 24 is just when he comes up for parole. He may not get parole!!!

The "he should've hired better people" line is pretty churlish. He had Surkein and the Goosens with him. As good as they were or werent the industry standard at that time was for a manager to take a 33% cut so the fighter was screwed cos that was just the way it was done back than. very very few fighters understood contracts back than. A SRL back than was an exception to the rule. But I do agree with you in that ultimately Nunns lavish spending, immaturity and the money will never run out mentality as well as his dabbling in drugs is what screwed him as well as his losing to Liles and Small at crucial times and not taking fights with Duran, SRL,Hearns back when they could have been made and fighting Starling and Curry instead. The Toney loss i excuse.

Why bring up the bad lawyers if it's not relevant to his sentence?
Nunn will not come up for "parole." The federal system doesn't have parole anymore; it got abolished in the 80s. He must serve 85% of his term (credit for good behavior). If he's a good boy, he'll get out on 1/3/24.
Your clarification of what happened to him makes me even less sympathetic. I thought he'd gotten money stolen from him by crooked lawyers/advisors. If he just signed the standard industry contract, that's his problem; no sympathy from me. Obviously, as SRL shows, fighters can be savvy. I have no sympathy for those who aren't. Regardless, he made quite a bit of money (whether you think he should've made more is another story, but that's totally on Nunn). He made enough for any normal person to live comfortably for life. He squandered it, dealt drugs and threw his life down the toilet. Someone who does that merits not a shred of sympathy.
When you said "Liles and Small," did you mean Steve Little?

mugabi wrote:Rover, where do I say that quote "just because slimy lawyers/advisors screwed him" that justifies what he did? I dont.
What I do say is that he deserved a long sentence. Perhaps ten or twelve years. Not 24!! That is insane and 24 is just when he comes up for parole. He may not get parole!!!

The "he should've hired better people" line is pretty churlish. He had Surkein and the Goosens with him. As good as they were or werent the industry standard at that time was for a manager to take a 33% cut so the fighter was screwed cos that was just the way it was done back than. very very few fighters understood contracts back than. A SRL back than was an exception to the rule. But I do agree with you in that ultimately Nunns lavish spending, immaturity and the money will never run out mentality as well as his dabbling in drugs is what screwed him as well as his losing to Liles and Small at crucial times and not taking fights with Duran, SRL,Hearns back when they could have been made and fighting Starling and Curry instead. The Toney loss i excuse.

Not sure if fights with Duran, SRL, and Hearns could easily have been made. The risk/reward wasn't worth it for them to fight Nunn that stage in their careers.
After the Toney loss, he had a lot of trouble getting major fights. Whether that was his management, boxing plotics etc. is hard to say. I believe he wanted to fight bigger names than he wound up fighting.

SRL was interested , Duran had called Nunn a "faggot" in public and declared his interest, and Hearns also wanted the match. Ultimately as u say the end reward would not be worth the risk, as Nunn disapointed against Barkley, took the rest of 89 off was almost beaten by Starling, and had managerial problems and his manager Surkein and the Goosens turned the New York boxing media against him so they stopped pushing him so much.

Plus Emmanuel Steward didnt want the suddenly shot Tommy to do it, and SRL and Duran knew they could make more money against each other!

He committed a crime & deserves to be punished but man that seems excessive!

wvboxer wrote:He committed a crime & deserves to be punished but man that seems excessive!

Can't do the time, don't do the crime.

anybody got his address of the prison he is in ?

Rover wrote:

wvboxer wrote:He committed a crime & deserves to be punished but man that seems excessive!

Can't do the time, don't do the crime.

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johnnykayo wrote:anybody got his address of the prison he is in ?

He's at Bastrop FCI.

Rover wrote:

wvboxer wrote:He committed a crime & deserves to be punished but man that seems excessive!

Can't do the time, don't do the crime.

Are you saying any punishment, no matter how stern, is fair?

hhaehre wrote:

Rover wrote:

wvboxer wrote:He committed a crime & deserves to be punished but man that seems excessive!

Can't do the time, don't do the crime.

Are you saying any punishment, no matter how stern, is fair?

I have no problem with any constitutional punishment. Mandatory minima are perfectly fine with me. We don't like drug dealers here.