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I had a presentation planned (for when everything is completed) but it has become apparent that this is necessary (for many reasons).

First and most important, whether you are a major fan or a professional/journalist (or both), the ‘secret’ that is not so secret is about something far greater than any fighter styles, statistics or what anyone may have seen live (or is on video).

If it were merely about those aspects, many or most would have figured out the ‘secret’ by now.

Styles are virtually irrelevant (within any given time period/division, virtually all styles – of prime matchups - have been equaled or bested), statistics are easily manipulated and can be made to say whatever any one person wants them to say and as far as viewing audiences (live or on video), there are very few things that are more easily manipulated than are human perceptions (magicians/illusionists make lucrative careers off of this).

Again, folks, if it were merely those aspects, it would be solved (via proof) by now.

Similar to figuring out the origin and development of the Universe – if it were merely an astrophysics issue, topic or concern, it would have been easily solved by now (and it has not been – not even close).

Example: The astrophysics' belief about the Universe’s beginning is that a massive explosion (i.e. big bang) starts it all; without going into any major scientific detail, the last time I checked, explosions (especially major ones) destroy things and only create a mess – has anyone ever seen a major explosion that creates something(s) of a functioning order(s)?

Boxing example: There are ‘caliber’ matchups (within a specific time/division) that are mismatches or overmatches – a mismatch is usually a bout that ends within a couple of rounds (unless it is a style mismatch) and an overmatch is a bout that results in someone getting seriously injured (career or life ending).

The point is why does everyone naturally assume that all cross era matchups (be it in similar divisions) are bouts that are feasible (or even sensible)? How do you know that it may not be a mismatch or an overmatch – and almost all that I have seen listed here fall into one general category or the other.

The most recent ones are Dempsey vs. Marciano and Marciano vs. Holyfield; I have read comments about fans and writers who have covered (or seen) certain boxers and have made certain conclusion (based upon what they ‘see’); again, there are very few things that are more easily manipulated (whether attempts are made or not) than are human perceptions (click on the links below and tell me what you ‘see’ – or think you ‘see’ – there are many other examples in case you figure those out).

No folks, they are not camera/TV tricks:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYZunObC ... ure=relmfu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJrIVofaol8

Neither of those two proposed matchups (Dempsey vs. Marciano or Marciano vs. Holyfield) are bouts – even on ‘paper’ – that can or should be made (not without a 'promoter' being brought up on manslaughter/murder charges) but can anyone tell who will be the assailant and who will be the victim (in either of those two scenarios)?

I will attempt to explain this (among other topics) on my site (as soon as all ‘issues’ are taken care of) – as there are many who do not want the general public aware of certain things (boxing or otherwise)……

Um. If I've understood your "system" correctly (& I'm not sure I have, tbh), couldn't you use it to predict upcoming fights?

& if it had any practical application whatsoever, wouldn't you be the world's biggest sports betting winner by now?

Also, didn't you (on the thread where you first hinted at this wunder-formula) say that applying it results in Joe Mesi earning a draw with Roy Jones?

& further--& this is the result of a wild search engine stab in the dark, so apologies if I am off-base--does the "secret" involve supernatural entities, sinister global conspiracies & shadowy cabals, by any chance?

Apologies if I am misunderstanding anything or if my tone offends.

No, it is about 'fantasy' matchups - such as the ones I mentioned - and I do not gamble (for many reasons).

Also, in the thread you are referring to (more than a year ago), I had not yet fully mastered/understood many aspects as I do now (this is one of the reasons it has taken so long) - as there are countless variables/intangibles involved.

No, nothing of that order - it is entirely an academic research work - and no offense is taken.

kal.majeed wrote:No, it is about 'fantasy' matchups - such as the ones I mentioned - and I do not gamble (for many reasons).

Also, in the thread you are referring to (more than a year ago), I had not yet fully mastered/understood many aspects as I do now (this is one of the reasons it has taken so long) - as there are countless variables/intangibles involved.

No, nothing of that order - it is entirely an academic research work - an no offense is taken.

Thank you for taking the time to set my mind at ease.

I'm not quite sure what you're getting at. Are you trying to pinpoint mythical mismatches between top fighters from different eras? If your point is that every one of these fights wouldn't be nip and tuck affairs, you're absolutely correct. One example for me is that I think Joe Frazier would run over Dempsey like a mack truck.

CORRECTION: I misread your post (sorry):

YES, correct, they would NOT be close at all and in most cases would be overmatches (such as the referenced bouts and the one that you mention - although not necessarily the same result).

Of course, it will be my task to PROVE this (and it is easier than one may think).

The truly great CROSS ERA 'fantasy' matchups will involve fighters of DIFFERENT divisions.

Example: World LHW king Bob Foster vs. 2-time world HW champion Mike Tyson (both at their best) - this appears completely ludicrous does it not (remember, as I have tried to explain, human perceptions do not always equal reality).

How about multi-division marvel Charley Mitchell vs. 6-year world HW champion James J. Jeffries (it is not as ridiculous as it may 'appear').

Again, I know I have quite a task at hand (as you along with many others) will have a difficult time (in the beginning) to understand/accept (if that ever happens) the substantiated explanations.....

Have I understood this correctly... you have devised a method, where you can actually PROVE, that many fantasy matchups (like Dempsey vs Marciano, Marciano vs Holyfield and Dempsey vs Frazier) would be such bad overmatches, that it would be almost criminal to (if it could be done!) put them on??

You have understood correctly - but it is not so much a "devised method" as it is a presentation of basic researched data (and some good old "common sense"); if you can add two plus two, you'll understand it and wonder why no one (prior) - expert or not - did not see the obvious.....

Here is one of my favorite quotes that sums it all up:

"The world is full of obvious facts that no person by any chance ever observes." - Sir Arthur Conan Doyle a.k.a. 'Sherlock Holmes'

kal, wander over to the boxrecsim forum. Currently I am hosting a computer generated fantasy pound for pound season.

Many if not all of the hypothetical match ups that you suggest have taken place, or are taking place. It is utilizing a software that is rather complex, (compared to the "think a tron" or the sixties radio hosted computer simulations lol) and utilizes many of these boxers "witnessed and documented" traits. There was an attempt in the writing of this software to qualify, quantify, and rate the many different skillsets, including emotional and mental states of all boxers throughout history. At least that is the premise. Even "stages in their career" was attempted to be written in. Granted much of this has to be subjective regardless of the effort made to make it completely objective. But some hard work is represented there.

If I understand what you are saying, could this sort of software be "reset" or "rewritten" to take into account the information you are alluding to? Can this process further evolve? Or has it already been done? In other words could the current software be the "primorodial" ooze or "grandfather" to your new set of "improved predictable parameters"?

Or....has the wheel already been invented on this one? I'm assuming you may be aware of the TBII software.

Also, Like the NFL on "any given Sunday" performance by humans is always a crap shoot. E.G. Braddock/Baer Or Tyson/Douglas. So the "human factor" could never be distilled down to the moments of the encounter. Seems the best that could be done is to distill the info and take a calculated guess, regardless of how much information you could collect, process and synthesize.

Hello BoxBuzz: Boy am I dying to tell you (or show you) how simple this really is - no one or computer system is even close as there is something far greater at work (and more basic).

I really would like to tell/show you but it will take a while to fully grasp the aspects (days maybe weeks) even though it is basically presented in one page and the rest is the documented data and rankings.

It took me about 4 days to explain it to my dad (and this guy has college degrees and expertise in virtually every subject you can imagine) AND he was actually trying to understand it! Finally, he got it (and wondered why no one ever saw it)!?!?!

I can't give away too much but it is a high probability system (nothing can ever be 100%), taking everyone at their peak best and matching/ranking them against others at their peak best; as I have previously stated, many matches simply cannot (or should not) be made – but many more can!

It is NOT pound-for-pound matchups but instead a REALITY based system (as real as paper matches/rankings can get); this is far more interesting, once someone fully grasps what is going on.

Yes, as I was telling my dad - I wanted this to eventually pass the 'paper' stage and have it become a computer simulated system - video games ideally as this works for just about ANY sport (boxing, football, soccer, basketball, etc.).

There is no reason why whatever computer program you (or anyone else) is using cannot be RE-programmed for new settings (as I said, it is something of a different order and reality based); hence, Joe Louis will not be fighting Roberto Duran – but there are many others (from his time that he ducks) and from other eras who he can be matched against (with some very interesting results).

Remember, my work is about much more than just boxing/sports; hence, it may not be as extensive as you may expect but all vital data is there and the 'extras' can be done via computer simulation.

So, kal... when are you gonna tell us??

Check out my new article (within the next hour) for the 'timeline' for release (on my website).....