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Do you think he'd be any good?

I know he was a bit 'marmite' as a personality when he was a boxer (I liked him) but I think he comes across really well on the likes of Ringside.

That has nowt to do with it, I know...just saying.

dondada wrote:http://news.boxrec.com/news/2012/joe-ca ... management

Do you think he'd be any good?

I know he was a bit 'marmite' as a personality when he was a boxer (I liked him) but I think he comes across really well on the likes of Ringside.

That has nowt to do with it, I know...just saying.

Noone old there to fight, Ward is too young and too fast. Froch probably beats him now. Calazaghe will lose and ruin his legacy

Hatton is younger and still has a 'little' to prove. Calzaghe has 'nothing' to prove.

I think he might be quite good. He had tremendous discipline and work ethic so if even a small but of that rubbed off on a young pro it could only be a good thing.

Like you, I liked Joe immensely.

I dont think he will make a good trainer. Just a hunch. Never thought he was in love with the game. Not sure what Danny is on about..

danconnollyeire wrote:

dondada wrote:http://news.boxrec.com/news/2012/joe-ca ... management

Do you think he'd be any good?

I know he was a bit 'marmite' as a personality when he was a boxer (I liked him) but I think he comes across really well on the likes of Ringside.

That has nowt to do with it, I know...just saying.

Noone old there to fight, Ward is too young and too fast. Froch probably beats him now. Calazaghe will lose and ruin his legacy

Hatton is younger and still has a 'little' to prove. Calzaghe has 'nothing' to prove.

He's not talking about returning to box, but to train/manage. Or did you not read the article.

Srebmun wrote:

danconnollyeire wrote:

dondada wrote:http://news.boxrec.com/news/2012/joe-ca ... management

Do you think he'd be any good?

I know he was a bit 'marmite' as a personality when he was a boxer (I liked him) but I think he comes across really well on the likes of Ringside.

That has nowt to do with it, I know...just saying.

Noone old there to fight, Ward is too young and too fast. Froch probably beats him now. Calazaghe will lose and ruin his legacy

Hatton is younger and still has a 'little' to prove. Calzaghe has 'nothing' to prove.

He's not talking about returning to box, but to train/manage. Or did you not read the article.

Or the thread title, even

I agree with the sentiments that he never seemed to be the type that was in love with boxing. He lived and breathed his training when he fought but I dont feel he lived and breathed boxing. Doesnt seem the type to look over and relentlessly study tapes. Similar to his Dad I think he would be a hard taskmaster fitness-wise.

The natural instincts and style that Calzaghe had though cant be taught. It like Sweet Pea there are very subtle adjustments and changes in style that fighters make that at the top level unless you are an extremely good trainer will find it hard to analyse and convey to a young charge.

Oh, dan

Srebmun wrote:

danconnollyeire wrote:

dondada wrote:http://news.boxrec.com/news/2012/joe-ca ... management

Do you think he'd be any good?

I know he was a bit 'marmite' as a personality when he was a boxer (I liked him) but I think he comes across really well on the likes of Ringside.

That has nowt to do with it, I know...just saying.

Noone old there to fight, Ward is too young and too fast. Froch probably beats him now. Calazaghe will lose and ruin his legacy

Hatton is younger and still has a 'little' to prove. Calzaghe has 'nothing' to prove.

He's not talking about returning to box, but to train/manage. Or did you not read the article.

Ha no I didn't... my bad!! My point's still valid though :)

It's early!!

dookus wrote:Oh, dan

Not a good sign when he also says he wants to become a manager too.

I think the best trainers start off at amateur level. They too have time to develop into the new role.
Too many good former boxers turn out to be bad trainers. Probably because they don`t understand why other kids can`t do what came so easy to them?

Joe will no doubt do it for a little while. Then give it up, and maybe come back to it in his later years when the ego has evaporated a little.

MachoMan09 wrote:People say Joe wasn't in love with boxing. He started boxing at nine, was one of the most successful amateurs there has ever been in this country and went on to have a stellar pro career that lasted nearly 20 years. All told he was boxing competitively for just shy of 30 years. For that entire period he was fit, disciplined, highly-skilled, well schooled, fast, determined, and, more than anything, a winner. What more do you want?

Its not a knock on him but you have to agree that being a top boxer and being a top trainer require different attributes. That why there are very few who are both. There are many boxers that are very good at what they do but aren't boxing fans or should I say fanatical about boxing. I think you need t be the latter to be an expert trainer. You need to study films you needs to be going to shows scouting out talent and opposition.

You need to be a student of the game who lives and breathes it. Finding that you happen to be a very good fighter through physical attributes and innate ability is very different to being a well schooled trainer.

He may or may not be trainer material but he would be a hell of an inspiration for young boxers I would thought. I bet if he started training he would have a new love for the sport, once a boxer comes through I'm sure he'd get excited by that. From everything he has achieved and learnt over the years it would be a crime for that not to be passed on to the youngsters, he could continue his legacy in that sense.

MachoMan09 wrote:

wrimc wrote:

MachoMan09 wrote:People say Joe wasn't in love with boxing. He started boxing at nine, was one of the most successful amateurs there has ever been in this country and went on to have a stellar pro career that lasted nearly 20 years. All told he was boxing competitively for just shy of 30 years. For that entire period he was fit, disciplined, highly-skilled, well schooled, fast, determined, and, more than anything, a winner. What more do you want?

Its not a knock on him but you have to agree that being a top boxer and being a top trainer require different attributes. That why there are very few who are both. There are many boxers that are very good at what they do but aren't boxing fans or should I say fanatical about boxing. I think you need t be the latter to be an expert trainer. You need to study films you needs to be going to shows scouting out talent and opposition.

You need to be a student of the game who lives and breathes it. Finding that you happen to be a very good fighter through physical attributes and innate ability is very different to being a well schooled trainer.

I don't disagree with you at all. I don't know Joe. For all I know he might have a huge boxing film library and watches hours and hours of footage from it every day, he may not. He may be a keen student of the game, he may not. He definitely worked hard to get where he got to but whether he can train others successfully I don't know. Is he trying to fill a void in his life or does he have a genuine vocation to train people? I don't know. I don't know much, do I?

Do any of us really?

If he'd have been more ambitious in his career by fighting the likes of Froch, instead of using every excuse in the book not to fight him, then he'd have been tempted out of retirement by now with BIG money offers (the only reason he hasn't is because TV won't pay the £$'s)

I thought he was trying to become an actor?? I guess that fell through! Always seemed a ridiculous ambition as whilst he is a good looking guy his personality is very dull and acting surely wouldn't be one of his strengths!

As a trainer, it's difficult to say how good he'd be. Often the best fighters don't make the best trainers (just as the best footballers don't often make the best managers) as they have too high a level of expectation of the guys they train. I guess if you were an awesome fighter it would be pretty frustrating training someone who was nowhere near your league and just couldn't do the things you were telling him. Obviously he'd have a huge amount of knowledge to pass on but for me it would be whether he could tolerate training average fighters that would be the issue. He's always come across as someone who doesn't take fools gladly so he may be limited somewhat.

I love Joe, but my guess is he would be to boxing training, what Glen Hoddle or Platini were to football management.

MachoMan09 wrote:

wrimc wrote:

MachoMan09 wrote:People say Joe wasn't in love with boxing. He started boxing at nine, was one of the most successful amateurs there has ever been in this country and went on to have a stellar pro career that lasted nearly 20 years. All told he was boxing competitively for just shy of 30 years. For that entire period he was fit, disciplined, highly-skilled, well schooled, fast, determined, and, more than anything, a winner. What more do you want?

Its not a knock on him but you have to agree that being a top boxer and being a top trainer require different attributes. That why there are very few who are both. There are many boxers that are very good at what they do but aren't boxing fans or should I say fanatical about boxing. I think you need t be the latter to be an expert trainer. You need to study films you needs to be going to shows scouting out talent and opposition.

You need to be a student of the game who lives and breathes it. Finding that you happen to be a very good fighter through physical attributes and innate ability is very different to being a well schooled trainer.

I don't disagree with you at all. I don't know Joe. For all I know he might have a huge boxing film library and watches hours and hours of footage from it every day, he may not. He may be a keen student of the game, he may not. He definitely worked hard to get where he got to but whether he can train others successfully I don't know. Is he trying to fill a void in his life or does he have a genuine vocation to train people? I don't know. I don't know much, do I?

Calzaghe always seemed a very "natural" fighter to me, instinctive, fast but without a "plan b".

On the evidence of the Hopkins fight, i dunno if he really thinks about the game.

Counter-puncher wrote:I love Joe, but my guess is he would be to boxing training, what Glen Hoddle or Platini were to football management.

Hoddle was a good manager, I think.

Machoman stop having a crywank over calzone!!

if its true it'll be a 5 minute wonder.

how olds his nipper? Werent they teaching him a thing or 2?

dondada wrote:

Counter-puncher wrote:I love Joe, but my guess is he would be to boxing training, what Glen Hoddle or Platini were to football management.

Hoddle was a good manager, I think.

well then you think wrong, mate, at least if you go by wqhat people who played under him have said. everybody who ever played under him described him as an aloof, high-handed arrogant so-and-so, with no people management skills whatsoever.

it goes back to the 'frustration with lesser mortals' argument. in training he would stop the play in a huff, in order to ping a 70-yard crossfield pass demonstrating what he wanted(with unerring accuracy, obviously, as he was Glen Hoddle), and say to the players something along the lines of 'now why the eff can't you do that?'

MachoMan09 wrote:

hurlock wrote:Machoman stop having a crywank over calzone!!

The only Calzaghe I've ever had a wank over was Mandy. I fancied the arse off her back in the 90s.

you, me, and Keyesey too.

Counter-puncher wrote:

dondada wrote:

Counter-puncher wrote:I love Joe, but my guess is he would be to boxing training, what Glen Hoddle or Platini were to football management.

Hoddle was a good manager, I think.

well then you think wrong, mate, at least if you go by wqhat people who played under him have said. everybody who ever played under him described him as an aloof, high-handed arrogant so-and-so, with no people management skills whatsoever.

it goes back to the 'frustration with lesser mortals' argument. in training he would stop the play in a huff, in order to ping a 70-yard crossfield pass demonstrating what he wanted(with unerring accuracy, obviously, as he was Glen Hoddle), and say to the players something along the lines of 'now why the eff can't you do that?'

i can't stress enough how much the Wolves players hated playing under Hoddle.

MachoMan09 wrote:

hurlock wrote:Machoman stop having a crywank over calzone!!

The only Calzaghe I've ever had a wank over was Mandy. I fancied the arse off her back in the 90s.

Has he only one sister?? Is that the one shown in the papers looking abit like someone who he was banging!
Nice bangers may I say. I'd give her the best 20 seconds of her life!