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fasteddie wrote:If Ashley Theophane is a world class boxer then why was his comeback fight against a journey man and his next fight will be against another journey man with more losses on his record than wins? were was this title fight and were is the fight on a floyd bill? if he is so loved in the states why isn't he in the mix with fighters who have a better record than his most recent opponents? All I hear is how great he is,dont tell me show me and all I read is quotes that he copies and pastes like their his own.

Counter-puncher wrote:Jesus. I only just realised Darren Hamilton is Britisah champion at 140

danconnollyeire wrote:

Counter-puncher wrote:Jesus. I only just realised Darren Hamilton is Britisah champion at 140

I love how this thread says world title fights, he will never get one, unless he's the Light Welter's Shaun Hawk

I'm not knocking Ashley’s achievements, hats off to him he’s improved immeasurably from the early days, but people were getting carried away. People saw a few wins in the states and bought into it, it was never as simple as that.

As I said before on here:

Ashley mentioned in numerous publications after his Jan 2007 fight with Alan Bosworth that he'd been frozen out of a title shot and that he didn't care about the Lonsdale belt, he was going straight for the world title. What actually happened was that it was an eliminator (not a final eliminator) and when the final eliminator was ordered, it was against a tougher opponent (think it might have been Matthew Hatton). Eames was desperate for Ash to step up, said he was trying to get him to step up for ages.

Then Ashley does superbly to win the title off Daws some years later, straight after the fight he insisted he's giving it up, won't defend it because he's off to chase the world title. Then Cook comes in as an opponent and the defence is on.

Theophane has mixed in fringe world class, but facts are what you make of them.

Chop Chop was a good away win for Ashley, but you could present it that it was Corley's 5th loss on the trot. He's actually racked up 14 losses since (but including) the Witter fight, which should indicate whether or not he's the same man he was.

Against Garcia, did very well in a loss that was a good learning fight for Garcia.

Against Rodriguez he was lucky but did prove solid. Rodriguez has now won 2 of his last 7, again an indication.

Yep, Lenny was the favourite and I thought he'd edge it, but Daws looked flat. Best result of Ashley's career for me.

Cook, still had a dig but no where near his prime. He pushed Ash closer than he should have been able to though.

Murphy, too light and late notice as a replacement but clearly showed Ashleys limitations.

And as for the hard journey state side. Ash went over once or twice, met Salita in one of the gyms, the well funded Salita then paid Ashleys expenses for most of the trips that followed. Around that time, Ash repeatedly referred to himself as a world champion - he had won the GBC belt against a fighter with a 2-4-1 record.

As I say, I'm not knocking what's been achieved. Fair play to him, he's done really well for himself. I just read and hear some of the tosh he comes out with and it does my head in.

Will totally earn my full respect if he takes on Williams or Woodhouse, but I can see his calls for Alex Arthur just getting louder.

danconnollyeire wrote:

Counter-puncher wrote:Jesus. I only just realised Darren Hamilton is Britisah champion at 140

I love how this thread says world title fights, he will never get one, unless he's the Light Welter's Shaun Hawk

JamesH wrote:I posted this in Feb while being told how good he was. Some people just believed the hype. Again, I'm not knocking Ashley, he's done great for a guy who finished his Am career without a win in two years. Just all the world talk that becomes tiresome. It must have got to me because while searching I found quite a few posts from me on the subject

I'm not knocking Ashley’s achievements, hats off to him he’s improved immeasurably from the early days, but people were getting carried away. People saw a few wins in the states and bought into it, it was never as simple as that.

As I said before on here:

Ashley mentioned in numerous publications after his Jan 2007 fight with Alan Bosworth that he'd been frozen out of a title shot and that he didn't care about the Lonsdale belt, he was going straight for the world title. What actually happened was that it was an eliminator (not a final eliminator) and when the final eliminator was ordered, it was against a tougher opponent (think it might have been Matthew Hatton). Eames was desperate for Ash to step up, said he was trying to get him to step up for ages.

Then Ashley does superbly to win the title off Daws some years later, straight after the fight he insisted he's giving it up, won't defend it because he's off to chase the world title. Then Cook comes in as an opponent and the defence is on.

Theophane has mixed in fringe world class, but facts are what you make of them.

Chop Chop was a good away win for Ashley, but you could present it that it was Corley's 5th loss on the trot. He's actually racked up 14 losses since (but including) the Witter fight, which should indicate whether or not he's the same man he was.

Against Garcia, did very well in a loss that was a good learning fight for Garcia.

Against Rodriguez he was lucky but did prove solid. Rodriguez has now won 2 of his last 7, again an indication.

Yep, Lenny was the favourite and I thought he'd edge it, but Daws looked flat. Best result of Ashley's career for me.

Cook, still had a dig but no where near his prime. He pushed Ash closer than he should have been able to though.

Murphy, too light and late notice as a replacement but clearly showed Ashleys limitations.

And as for the hard journey state side. Ash went over once or twice, met Salita in one of the gyms, the well funded Salita then paid Ashleys expenses for most of the trips that followed. Around that time, Ash repeatedly referred to himself as a world champion - he had won the GBC belt against a fighter with a 2-4-1 record.

As I say, I'm not knocking what's been achieved. Fair play to him, he's done really well for himself. I just read and hear some of the tosh he comes out with and it does my head in.

Will totally earn my full respect if he takes on Williams or Woodhouse, but I can see his calls for Alex Arthur just getting louder.

fasteddie wrote:If Ashley Theophane is a world class boxer then why was his comeback fight against a journey man and his next fight will be against another journey man with more losses on his record than wins? were was this title fight and were is the fight on a floyd bill? if he is so loved in the states why isn't he in the mix with fighters who have a better record than his most recent opponents? All I hear is how great he is,dont tell me show me and all I read is quotes that he copies and pastes like their his own.

Coco wrote:

fasteddie wrote:If Ashley Theophane is a world class boxer then why was his comeback fight against a journey man and his next fight will be against another journey man with more losses on his record than wins? were was this title fight and were is the fight on a floyd bill? if he is so loved in the states why isn't he in the mix with fighters who have a better record than his most recent opponents? All I hear is how great he is,dont tell me show me and all I read is quotes that he copies and pastes like their his own.

I'm sure he would take the bigger fights if they were there instead it makes more sense to keep active and keep winning.

palooka wrote:He's not kosher World class and won't be a World Champion but he is a very capable boxer; he's in a competitive division; domestic and international. He has shown initiative and desire by training in good gyms in the USA; I don't mind him - he's not my favourite boxer to watch but he knows what he's about and takes the sport seriously. From all accounts he's done well to turn his life around and be someone to emulate; he could have gone down the other road very easily. A success story for boxing and Theopane would be right if he were proud of himself.

johnnygreaves wrote:Now I may sound like I'm having a dig at a lad or two but.after my fight with Hamilton was pathetically stopped after two rounds,I must say that I found Darren at the time to be completely ordinary.to think ash claims to be world class after being beaten by Darren leavese thinking he isn't even top Brit class.sorry if I offended but....

johnnygreaves wrote:Now I may sound like I'm having a dig at a lad or two but.after my fight with Hamilton was pathetically stopped after two rounds,I must say that I found Darren at the time to be completely ordinary.to think ash claims to be world class after being beaten by Darren leavese thinking he isn't even top Brit class.sorry if I offended but....

fasteddie wrote:

johnnygreaves wrote:Now I may sound like I'm having a dig at a lad or two but.after my fight with Hamilton was pathetically stopped after two rounds,I must say that I found Darren at the time to be completely ordinary.to think ash claims to be world class after being beaten by Darren leavese thinking he isn't even top Brit class.sorry if I offended but....

totally agree with you,a world class fighter should be able to adapt to any style that is thrown his way and darren hamilton out foxed theophane with little more than a step back and a stiff jab,a world class fighter would of found his way past this and dealt with the task at hand. im not ash isnt any good and i give him all the respect in the world for turning his life around and making a name for himself but c'mon stop making out that your in the premier division when really your 3rd tier

johnnygreaves wrote:

fasteddie wrote:

johnnygreaves wrote:Now I may sound like I'm having a dig at a lad or two but.after my fight with Hamilton was pathetically stopped after two rounds,I must say that I found Darren at the time to be completely ordinary.to think ash claims to be world class after being beaten by Darren leavese thinking he isn't even top Brit class.sorry if I offended but....

totally agree with you,a world class fighter should be able to adapt to any style that is thrown his way and darren hamilton out foxed theophane with little more than a step back and a stiff jab,a world class fighter would of found his way past this and dealt with the task at hand. im not ash isnt any good and i give him all the respect in the world for turning his life around and making a name for himself but c'mon stop making out that your in the premier division when really your 3rd tier

I've never said I'm premier class.still boxed lads that are tho so,I'd like to think I've a right to put in my tuppence worth.more so than most.please don't try to take digs at me! Like it or not.after pull outs I've stepped in on days notice againsts world class fighters.and heard the final bell You? Knowitall