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with the camacho tragedy it had me thinking how would a fight go between
hector and money mayweather at 135

mayweather - decision

Wide decision for Floyd

There are essentially two game plans to beat Mayweather:

A) Pressure Him

B) Outbox Him

As far as plan A goes, the last three fights he's had (Ortiz, Cotto, Mosley) they all tried to pressure him, and all they are catching is Floyd's gloves and arms 9/10 punches thrown. His defense is impregnable. So plan A goes out the window; plan B, I've only seen one man give Floyd fits in terms of actual boxing skill and that was Castillo, but we seen what happened in the rematch. Myself, while it sounds like suicide, there is option C and that is for someone to have the stones to lay back, and let Floyd come to them, and hope to throw one down the pipe while Mayweather's coming in and dropping him. It would take a man with tremendous reflexes, whose very tough and well conditioned. Camacho fits this mold. He was never stopped, and from Bazooka to De La Hoya he fought 47 times against a ridiculously high caliber of opposition. I think even if Camacho stuck to plan B, he would have given Mayweather the sort of frustration that Castillo did and could have pulled an upset. Its a 60/40 fight at least, 50/50 at best. I would still give the edge to Mayweather, but it would be by a close majority decision, if not a split.

It's a 100/0 fight.

So far I'm the only man trying to explain my own reasons why no one else has done this, so explain to me why it is a 100/0 fight

HomicideHenry wrote:So far I'm the only man trying to explain my own reasons why no one else has done this, so explain to me why it is a 100/0 fight

Floyd is better than Camacho at everything, with speed being even. He's too smart a fighter, if it comes down to pot shotting(and it undoubtedly would), the more accurate fighter with the better defense has a massive advantage. Neither of them are going to hurt each other, Floyd is better at every range. Macho has nothing for him past his speed. 9-3, 10-2 all day long.

I wouldn't laugh at anyone when your strategy involves Macho patiently waiting to one punch Floyd into bolivian. Forgive me for not refuting that preposterous post piece by piece.

I wasnt necessarily meaning Camacho, I was meaning in general of any fighter. Plan A, B and C. Those are really the only ways to beat Mayweather, and so far I've not seen anyone do plan C. Plan B, its so rare to find a man with enough speed, reflexes, and skill to match Mayweather, and plan A hasn't worked out well for anyone. I think scores of 9-3 is a bit off, I could see some rounds being even based on speed alone. I think a more accurate score card would be (if we went by round system) 6-4-2 for Mayweather

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

HomicideHenry wrote:So far I'm the only man trying to explain my own reasons why no one else has done this, so explain to me why it is a 100/0 fight

Floyd is better than Camacho at everything, with speed being even. He's too smart a fighter, if it comes down to pot shotting(and it undoubtedly would), the more accurate fighter with the better defense has a massive advantage. Neither of them are going to hurt each other, Floyd is better at every range. Macho has nothing for him past his speed. 9-3, 10-2 all day long.

I wouldn't laugh at anyone when your strategy involves Macho patiently waiting to one punch Floyd into bolivian. Forgive me for not refuting that preposterous post piece by piece.

Nooo. Now I can see your point of Floyd beating Camacho which I totally agree with. I can even see you point that Camacho may not be as good as Castillo which I do disagree with you with. But Floyd doesn't match Camacho in hand speed and I've watched plenty clips of them both regarding that one aspect. While Floyd is lighting fast, I can still see most of his punches. And also, Judah was cleary faster than Floyd in the get go before Floyd timed him. But Camacho, there are punches he threw that you can't even see unless it's in slow motion. I can't let you get away saying that Floyd is as fast as Camacho. Camacho had faster hands than Judah hands down. The only boxer I've seen with faster hands in this era is Roy Jones.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URyaqxK-1fI


Hector made the list. Floyd did not even though it's fan based and biased. But looking at Camacho in these clips, you can't tell me that Floyd matches that. I've never seen Floyd be that fast. He just times good and catches guys in the process of punching.

Whatever floats your boat, if Hector was marginally faster it would certainly even out with Floyd's superior accuracy and timing. Mayweather was always economical, none of that flashy flurry stuff that doesn't accomplish much.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Whatever floats your boat, if Hector was marginally faster it would certainly even out with Floyd's superior accuracy and timing. Mayweather was always economical, none of that flashy flurry stuff that doesn't accomplish much.

Agree Floyd's skill and timing will take over. But Floyd's speed gets overrated sometimes. While his handspeed is superior, there are plenty of boxers with faster hands than Floyd. Judah was the only one he's fought, but many have found their way around Judah's handspeed.

Judah wasn't faster than Floyd, he was faster than Floyd's opponents. Like I said, Floyd is economical with his shots and doesn't throw flurries. When he does in the gym his hands are every bit as fast as Hector's.

I wouldn't compare the speed of guys decades apart. The science can make people quicker. It's not a level playing field.

Both these chaps were fast.

IKSRTFO wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

HomicideHenry wrote:So far I'm the only man trying to explain my own reasons why no one else has done this, so explain to me why it is a 100/0 fight

Floyd is better than Camacho at everything, with speed being even. He's too smart a fighter, if it comes down to pot shotting(and it undoubtedly would), the more accurate fighter with the better defense has a massive advantage. Neither of them are going to hurt each other, Floyd is better at every range. Macho has nothing for him past his speed. 9-3, 10-2 all day long.

I wouldn't laugh at anyone when your strategy involves Macho patiently waiting to one punch Floyd into bolivian. Forgive me for not refuting that preposterous post piece by piece.

Nooo. Now I can see your point of Floyd beating Camacho which I totally agree with. I can even see you point that Camacho may not be as good as Castillo which I do disagree with you with. But Floyd doesn't match Camacho in hand speed and I've watched plenty clips of them both regarding that one aspect. While Floyd is lighting fast, I can still see most of his punches. And also, Judah was cleary faster than Floyd in the get go before Floyd timed him. But Camacho, there are punches he threw that you can't even see unless it's in slow motion. I can't let you get away saying that Floyd is as fast as Camacho. Camacho had faster hands than Judah hands down. The only boxer I've seen with faster hands in this era is Roy Jones.

Zab was a welter fight.

Ezzard wrote:I wouldn't compare the speed of guys decades apart. The science can make people quicker. It's not a level playing field.

Both these chaps were fast.

What science?

8-4 Floyd for me.

going back to the earlier theory that floyd would lose if he came forward to camacho, what makes you think that floyd would start coming on to anyone who was laying back themselves? do you think he's that stupid?

it would be a snoozer with the more accurate floyd getting a wide decision

Apparently you're all wrong...

... because no more than a couple of hours ago, kal.majeed PROVED (in his "Early Prep of Past vs. Present" thread) that, prime vs prime, Camacho would actually score a late-round stoppage-win over Mayweather. And since he has spent 3 decades researching the subject of cross-era fantasy-matches, he must know, what he's talking about!

Bundana wrote:Apparently you're all wrong...

... because no more than a couple of hours ago, kal.majeed PROVED (in his "Early Prep of Past vs. Present" thread) that, prime vs prime, Camacho would actually score a late-round stoppage-win over Mayweather. And since he has spent 3 decades researching the subject of cross-era fantasy-matches, he must know, what he's talking about!

I think Floyd would have won (just for clarification) I just think scores of 9-3 and all that bs that Saad is saying is ridiculous; As I stated before I think a score of 6-4-2 would be more accurate. Camacho had the speed, durability, and toughness to of done so. Even when he was an old man, prime De La Hoya and others didn't give him the sort of beat down that Saad thinks a prime Mayweather would do to a prime Camacho.

IKSRTFO wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

HomicideHenry wrote:So far I'm the only man trying to explain my own reasons why no one else has done this, so explain to me why it is a 100/0 fight

Floyd is better than Camacho at everything, with speed being even. He's too smart a fighter, if it comes down to pot shotting(and it undoubtedly would), the more accurate fighter with the better defense has a massive advantage. Neither of them are going to hurt each other, Floyd is better at every range. Macho has nothing for him past his speed. 9-3, 10-2 all day long.

I wouldn't laugh at anyone when your strategy involves Macho patiently waiting to one punch Floyd into bolivian. Forgive me for not refuting that preposterous post piece by piece.

Nooo. Now I can see your point of Floyd beating Camacho which I totally agree with. I can even see you point that Camacho may not be as good as Castillo which I do disagree with you with. But Floyd doesn't match Camacho in hand speed and I've watched plenty clips of them both regarding that one aspect. While Floyd is lighting fast, I can still see most of his punches. And also, Judah was cleary faster than Floyd in the get go before Floyd timed him. But Camacho, there are punches he threw that you can't even see unless it's in slow motion. I can't let you get away saying that Floyd is as fast as Camacho. Camacho had faster hands than Judah hands down. The only boxer I've seen with faster hands in this era is Roy Jones.

I agree on the speed part . Though I'd pick Mayweather to adjust and takeover.

HomicideHenry wrote:I think Floyd would have won (just for clarification) I just think scores of 9-3 and all that bs that Saad is saying is ridiculous; As I stated before I think a score of 6-4-2 would be more accurate. Camacho had the speed, durability, and toughness to of done so. Even when he was an old man, prime De La Hoya and others didn't give him the sort of beat down that Saad thinks a prime Mayweather would do to a prime Camacho.

Another feeble mind that needs to invent things that were never said to justify their own crap. I never said a word about a beating. You have two even rounds, give them to Floyd and it's 8-4. LMAO, are you really this stupid?

Yep. You're a cold, heartless, egotistical bastard with no respect for the deceased.