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Will be debated for years to come but wanted to see what the forum thought as most polls tend to be very accurate when predicting fights on here.

this probably belongs in the boxers of the past section. And peak Tyson got ko'd by Buster, and would have lost to a load of great heavyweights that he couldn't ktfo early.

what annoys me about Tyson and the casual boxing fan is that they all say Tyson was the best ever etc i can guarantee nobody will be able to name an oponnent apart from Bruno that he beat

Tyrell Biggs, Michael Spink, Larry Holmes and Donovan Ruddock are a few.. Most casual fan won't understand the true history to Tyson maybe you should go look at his record.. Most fighters avoided him until he started having problems..

Vaudeville Villain wrote:This is how it would go down, for real. Tyson comes out. Ali comes out. Tyson closes the distance and throws a right hook to the body followed by an uppercut to the chin. Ali goes down. Doesn't get back up, he had shit recovery powers, and Tyson wins with the first minute or so. How? Cus and the kid, bolo punches, force of nature, 90-second prime etc. etc.

That is also what would happen in every one of Tyson's defining fights against live opponents. Apart from the ones that did happen, which he lost by KO in most cases, but those fights don't count. They will never, ever count.

a peak Tyson laboured against James Tillis

Tyson v Frazier would have been a cracker

I once fought Tyson, and it is true that I got hit by a right to the body and then an uppercut to the chin. I ended up knocked out.

jameswilson wrote:I once fought Tyson, and it is true that I got hit by a right to the body and then an uppercut to the chin. I ended up knocked out.

is your name Marvis Frazier?

Both were myths but Tyson wins this, just as fast more powerful and better chin.

Vaudeville Villain wrote:

Complex wrote:Both were myths but Tyson wins this, just as fast more powerful and better chin.

Yes, all fights ever come down to is speed, power and chin. Ring intelligence, skill, heart and the ability to adapt and overcome don't come into the equation, ever. If they did then Ali would win this mythical match up. We're lucky men, eh?

Nope Ali had nothing on him, Tyson is a modern athlete, smokin Joe outboxed him and he wasn't half of what Tyson was. Both of them were hugely over rated but you need to be serious here.

Complex wrote:Both were myths but Tyson wins this, just as fast more powerful and better chin.

THE ONLY TIME ALI FAILED TO HEAR THE FINAL BELL WAS AGAINST LARRY HOLMES AND EVEN THEN IT WAS ONLY COS HIS CORNER PULLED HIM OUT AND HE WAS NEARLY 40 AND IN THE EARLY STAGES OF PARKINSONS(STILL DISGUSTING IF YOU SEE FOOTAGE BEFORE THAT FIGHT THAT HE WAS ALLOWED TO BOX AND THEN HAVE ANOTHER FIGHT) HE AVENGED 3 OF HIS 5 DEFEATS, NOW I RATE TYSON HIGHLY,ESPECIALLY POTENTIALLY-WISE HE COULD HAVE BEEN THE BEST BUT THE PROBLEM WAS HE WAS AT HIS PEAK BEFORE HE REACHED WORLD LEVEL,THE TYSON THAT FOUGHT HIS FIRST PROFFESIONAL CONTEST PROBABLY WOULD,VE BEAT THE ONE THAT FOUGHT DOUGLAS BUT I GIVE HIM CREDIT CAUSE HE,S STILL THE YOUNGEST FIGHTER EVER TO WIN A WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP BUT COME ON PEOPLE ITS HARD ENOUGH TO COMPARE FIGHTERS FROM DIFFERENT ERAS LET ALONE LET ALONE FIGHTERS FROM DIFFERENT LEVELS AND ERAS.TYSON WAS KO,D BY DOUGLAS,HOLYFIELD,LEWIS,WILLIAMS AND MCBRIDE. DOESNT EVEN COMPARE,IF IT WASNT FOR THE INFAMY HE BROUGHT TO THE SPORT THEN THE MIKE TYSON THAT FOUGHT AT WORLD LEVEL WOULD BE REGARDED NO BETTER THAN ERNIE SHAVERS.

Complex wrote:Both were myths but Tyson wins this, just as fast more powerful and better chin.

Chin seemed ok to me when he KO'd a harder hitter than Tyson in the jungle.

My favorite two heavyweights of all time ! But I voted....

handsofstone wrote:

Complex wrote:Both were myths but Tyson wins this, just as fast more powerful and better chin.

THE ONLY TIME ALI FAILED TO HEAR THE FINAL BELL WAS AGAINST LARRY HOLMES AND EVEN THEN IT WAS ONLY COS HIS CORNER PULLED HIM OUT AND HE WAS NEARLY 40 AND IN THE EARLY STAGES OF PARKINSONS(STILL DISGUSTING IF YOU SEE FOOTAGE BEFORE THAT FIGHT THAT HE WAS ALLOWED TO BOX AND THEN HAVE ANOTHER FIGHT) HE AVENGED 3 OF HIS 5 DEFEATS, NOW I RATE TYSON HIGHLY,ESPECIALLY POTENTIALLY-WISE HE COULD HAVE BEEN THE BEST BUT THE PROBLEM WAS HE WAS AT HIS PEAK BEFORE HE REACHED WORLD LEVEL,THE TYSON THAT FOUGHT HIS FIRST PROFFESIONAL CONTEST PROBABLY WOULD,VE BEAT THE ONE THAT FOUGHT DOUGLAS BUT I GIVE HIM CREDIT CAUSE HE,S STILL THE YOUNGEST FIGHTER EVER TO WIN A WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP BUT COME ON PEOPLE ITS HARD ENOUGH TO COMPARE FIGHTERS FROM DIFFERENT ERAS LET ALONE LET ALONE FIGHTERS FROM DIFFERENT LEVELS AND ERAS.TYSON WAS KO,D BY DOUGLAS,HOLYFIELD,LEWIS,WILLIAMS AND MCBRIDE. DOESNT EVEN COMPARE,IF IT WASNT FOR THE INFAMY HE BROUGHT TO THE SPORT THEN THE MIKE TYSON THAT FOUGHT AT WORLD LEVEL WOULD BE REGARDED NO BETTER THAN ERNIE SHAVERS.

Holyfield was better than ali, Lewis was better and When Douglas was motivated he could have been.

desperados wrote:

Complex wrote:Both were myths but Tyson wins this, just as fast more powerful and better chin.

Chin seemed ok to me when he KO'd a harder hitter than Tyson in the jungle.

Foreman fell into his game plan, Tyson is a completely different fighter than Foreman.

I've just voted and it's 14-14. WTF? I thought this was a boxing forum. Half the people on this forum clearly don't know anything about the sport.

The Dark Destroyer wrote:Could have been what? Better than Ali?

Surely not mate,now ive heard some dross on this site but that actually might take the biscuit

Come on people, motherf*cker is trollin'.

Tyson Fury's now a modern-er athlete

Fury hasn't even peaked yet we can't tell how good he is.

Complex wrote:

Vaudeville Villain wrote:

Complex wrote:Both were myths but Tyson wins this, just as fast more powerful and better chin.

Yes, all fights ever come down to is speed, power and chin. Ring intelligence, skill, heart and the ability to adapt and overcome don't come into the equation, ever. If they did then Ali would win this mythical match up. We're lucky men, eh?

Nope Ali had nothing on him, Tyson is a modern athlete, smokin Joe outboxed him and he wasn't half of what Tyson was. Both of them were hugely over rated but you need to be serious here.

Joe wasn't half of what Tyson was? Tyson didn't have half the record Joe did... Tyson is one big "what if"

like somebody else said, Tyson vs Tillis....Tyson vs Mitch Green..come on guys, wise the fornicate up

I'll say this about Tyson at his peak - he had lightning hand speed, KO power and was very durable, he would have given Ali serious serious problems. Would he had beaten him - who knows! Except it would have been a fight to remember.

Its all fantasy.
But :.

I could never see a peak Ali beating a peak Tyson.
Ali would not have dealt with Tysons speed & power.

I also think that Holyfield would have beaten Ali too.
Like Tyson - Holyfield gets undervalued.

TopGun wrote:Will be debated for years to come but wanted to see what the forum thought as most polls tend to be very accurate when predicting fights on here.

ALI

Complex wrote:

desperados wrote:

Complex wrote:Both were myths but Tyson wins this, just as fast more powerful and better chin.

Chin seemed ok to me when he KO'd a harder hitter than Tyson in the jungle.

Foreman fell into his game plan, Tyson is a completely different fighter than Foreman.

I know he is, besides the point. Ali's chin was up there with the best of them.

The Dark Destroyer wrote:Ali's tactics against Foreman were so masterful that his chin barely got tested. Few HWs could take what Foreman threw and stay up, Ali avoided taking it at all.

tested plenty against the likes of shavers, frazier, cooper. His chin was something to behold, but sadly, has paid the sad price of soaking up shots that would have knocked most out.