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What was more brutal ?

Posted: 09 Dec 2012, 06:55
by jessi
Both devastating knockouts ! I honestly can't choose, as much as I like them when they happen I don't like watching them again.

Re: What was more brutal ?

Posted: 09 Dec 2012, 06:57
by hurlock
Jeez I have to see this!!!as bad as hatton wowsers!!

Re: What was more brutal ?

Posted: 09 Dec 2012, 06:59
by domjon

Re: What was more brutal ?

Posted: 09 Dec 2012, 06:59
by jessi
I think Pacquiao was out for longer !

Re: What was more brutal ?

Posted: 09 Dec 2012, 07:06
by banjo
Facedown KO's are always worse IMO. 8)

Re: What was more brutal ?

Posted: 09 Dec 2012, 07:06
by LeedsLad
Probably Pacquiao's.... maybe because he's got a deserved reputation as being very durable.

Hatton had been bounced around like a rag doll for the other 5 minutes of the fight.

Neither compare to the right hand that Tommy Hearns detonated on Roberto Duran though.

Re: What was more brutal ?

Posted: 09 Dec 2012, 07:09
by JLP
LeedsLad wrote:Probably Pacquiao's.... maybe because he's got a deserved reputation as being very durable.

Hatton had been bounced around like a rag doll for the other 5 minutes of the fight.

Neither compare to the right hand that Tommy Hearns detonated on Roberto Duran though.
That was for the internet, dude. It doesn't count.

Re: What was more brutal ?

Posted: 09 Dec 2012, 07:29
by Mensa07
last nights was more brutal, watch the slow mo replays starting at 3:12, it sent a shockwave through Pac's body from his chin right down to his feet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYDESdsaqE0

Re: What was more brutal ?

Posted: 09 Dec 2012, 08:01
by banjo
Stealing his soul.

Re: What was more brutal ?

Posted: 09 Dec 2012, 08:58
by Bennyblanco
The Martinez v Williams KO always sticks out for me. Especially when the camera zooms into his eyes

Re: What was more brutal ?

Posted: 09 Dec 2012, 11:47
by JC
Hatton was more chilling in my opinion. I always felt Pac would get up and be ok (touch wood) but I was worried for Ricky.

Also (and this is just an assumption) although falling face first looks worse, it might actually be better for you than the back of your head bouncing off the canvas like what happened to Hatton or Gamanche

Re: What was more brutal ?

Posted: 09 Dec 2012, 17:49
by freddydoesdallas
J-C wrote:Hatton was more chilling in my opinion. I always felt Pac would get up and be ok (touch wood) but I was worried for Ricky.

Also (and this is just an assumption) although falling face first looks worse, it might actually be better for you than the back of your head bouncing off the canvas like what happened to Hatton or Gamanche
Really? I was the other way round and was concerned for pacman for a while. I wanted jmm to calm down the celebrations so he wouldn't regret anything

Re: What was more brutal ?

Posted: 09 Dec 2012, 18:03
by wappingboy
the best 2 live kos I've seen were at york hall the first was mickey hughes v gary jacobs then many years later i was lucky enough to be ringside again when steve omara kod nathan wise 2 best kos I've seen :bow:

Re: What was more brutal ?

Posted: 09 Dec 2012, 22:53
by iamasadlittleboy
Marquez's was a thing of beauty. Hatton had had the shit beat out of him prior.

Re: What was more brutal ?

Posted: 09 Dec 2012, 23:55
by Sportofkings
LeedsLad wrote:Probably Pacquiao's.... maybe because he's got a deserved reputation as being very durable.

Hatton had been bounced around like a rag doll for the other 5 minutes of the fight.

Neither compare to the right hand that Tommy Hearns detonated on Roberto Duran though.
Oh really? :TU:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UJ3ILSCzNg

Take a look at this one.

Re: What was more brutal ?

Posted: 10 Dec 2012, 02:54
by Newport Daz
iamasadlittleboy wrote:Marquez's was a thing of beauty. Hatton had had the shit beat out of him prior.
Yeah, I agree completely. If I hadn't read about the result first, I'd have been really concerned whether Marquez had actually killed him. When Ricky was flat on his back you could see he was out cold, but breathing, but you couldn't see any movement from Manny.

To compound the similarities with the HAtton Ko, you've also got Manny's wife absolutly inconsolable being comforted by friends while JMM runs round the ring celebrating while Manny is still in the land of nod.

Re: What was more brutal ?

Posted: 10 Dec 2012, 03:08
by Craig14
Hearns ko of Duran was the most brutal ever for me although that was impressive on sat (well Sunday for most) I'm up for part 5. Great fight to watch, gamboa's fight was great as well.

Re: What was more brutal ?

Posted: 10 Dec 2012, 06:41
by The_Don1
Sportofkings wrote:
LeedsLad wrote:Probably Pacquiao's.... maybe because he's got a deserved reputation as being very durable.

Hatton had been bounced around like a rag doll for the other 5 minutes of the fight.

Neither compare to the right hand that Tommy Hearns detonated on Roberto Duran though.
Oh really? :TU:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UJ3ILSCzNg

Take a look at this one.
Like how the ref counts the guy out, like he's really making an effort to get up!

Re: What was more brutal ?

Posted: 10 Dec 2012, 10:05
by lefthook82
Marquez on Pacman. I didnt know what the fcuk had gone on and I suspect Im not the only one. He delivered a shot so devastaingly sneaky that alot of observers in real time didnt catch it

Re: What was more brutal ?

Posted: 10 Dec 2012, 10:09
by Ratchet Exits Nu
lefthook82 wrote:Marquez on Pacman. I didnt know what the fcuk had gone on and I suspect Im not the only one. He delivered a shot so devastaingly sneaky that alot of observers in real time didnt catch it
It was almost as if someoe had shot him from the cheap seats.

Re: What was more brutal ?

Posted: 10 Dec 2012, 11:42
by jameswilson
Knockouts where the guy is out before he hits the ground are always brutal, so both as bad as each other I think. With the discussions that we have had about refereeing I thought it was good that in both fights Kenny Bayless got to about 3 or 4 with his count and just waved it off and got the medical assistance in there asap. Whenever a guy is clearly not gonna make it up I do get annoyed when the ref completes the count.

Re: What was more brutal ?

Posted: 10 Dec 2012, 11:48
by desperados
jameswilson wrote:Knockouts where the guy is out before he hits the ground are always brutal, so both as bad as each other I think. With the discussions that we have had about refereeing I thought it was good that in both fights Kenny Bayless got to about 3 or 4 with his count and just waved it off and got the medical assistance in there asap. Whenever a guy is clearly not gonna make it up I do get annoyed when the ref completes the count.

Bayless gave him a shot, it was a huge fight, ive seen guys before who looked like they wouldnt gt up in a month of sundays when they first dropped, but someone at least managed to begin to crawl to their feet. When Hearns hit Duran with that wrecking ball for instance, it was more likely Duran would be in the morgue than get to his feet, but somehow he was up again a few seconds later.


But i know what you mean, some ref's take the piss. The worst i ever seen was Martinez-Williams. The ref actually said "9" when Williams clearly wasn't awake.... did he think h was beating a count between "9" & "10"? :lol:

Re: What was more brutal ?

Posted: 10 Dec 2012, 11:53
by orbtastic
If the ref waves it off rather than completing the count, technically it isn't a KO (!)

It seems some refs can't win - Step in and save someone who clearly is hurt and you're corrupt and on the payroll, count to ten like you're supposed to and you're incompetent.

Re: What was more brutal ?

Posted: 10 Dec 2012, 11:58
by jameswilson
orbtastic wrote:If the ref waves it off rather than completing the count, technically it isn't a KO (!)

It seems some refs can't win - Step in and save someone who clearly is hurt and you're corrupt and on the payroll, count to ten like you're supposed to and you're incompetent.
Who has ever been accused of being corrupt or incompetent for stopping a count when it is clear a guy isn't going to get up?

Re: What was more brutal ?

Posted: 10 Dec 2012, 13:49
by brian13
Marquez / Pacquiao was just violent and came out of nowhere. Ricky's was kind of inevitable.